Report: CIA Chief Warned Israel Not to Bomb Iran in Secret Visit

Oh I hear ya. I think though that people are either forgetting or not yet aware of the situation with China needing oil, just wait until they start purchasing more on a global scale like they did last summer the prices will sky rocket again. It's just around the corner.

Here is part 1 of 7 I uploaded the entire set. Just follow the link provided at the end of the video if you care to watch the rest very educational.

BATTLE FOR OIL investigates the new world geopolitics that is emerging around the needs of both the world's leading superpower and the world's fastest growing economy to secure future supplies of oil.

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The director of the CIA was recently sent on a secret mission to Israel to warn its leaders not to launch a surprise attack on Iran without notifying the Obama administration

This is the important part. IMO it's standart procedures... if Israel strikes Iran out of nowhere and the US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are not warned of possible counterstrike by Iran... there would be a lot of dead troops for nothing.

So if Israel gives a warning to the US, the US can put it's troops in the middle-east on high alert and start sending ammo and material to the area... and put B-2s in the air in case Iran attacks US troops, meaning a US counterstrike against Iran...

IMO simple procedure. If Israel strikes Iran and Iran couterstrikes at Israel and US military bases, a lot of people in the US will be pissed at Israel. Me included, even if I'm in Canada... I wouldn't want any canadian troops dying in Afghanistan because of Israel BS.


[edit on 16-5-2009 by Vitchilo]

OK, based on my own sources of information. Don't ask.

Iran does not want a war with Israel or anybody. Not now, not ever.

Their economy is in shambles as all the foreign policy jockeying, support of anti-Israel proxies, unneeded warfare and nuclear technology, etc - has left them high and dry.

They calculated on oil being $100-200 a barrel by now.

So the new agenda is to put the fear of Allah into the world by making War with the Zionist Regime noises.

The hope is for higher oil prices, the Muslim world rallying around them, and the US and Europe making conciliatory gestures to keep them in line.

Desperation and attention seeking.

The Israelis are acting as if they're about to attack Iran. A self-defense measure as Iran has been supplying and funding Hezbollah, Hamas, and whoever to cause distress and threaten their very existence.

The Israelis, as per usual, create an impression of being about to do one thing, and surprise their Muslim antagonists with something out of left field.

This time Israel is tantalizing Iran into making the first move. The uncertainty is driving them nuts, and they may make a rash first step in the wrong direction.

None of the crap about the US telling Israel this or that is true, by the way.

It's all an endgame to call Iran's bluff. They're essentially saying

"you want to talk war, buy the hardware, develop nukes, threaten to wipe out Israel - make the first move."

Iran is too proud to back down. Too economically strapped to go into hibernation mode. Mr A can't keep his trap shut. He believes he is the reincarnation of the 12th Imam messianic figure.

The generally tranquil Iranian people, half of them born well after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, are tired of worrying about having their heads blown off.

The tension is mounting.

Israel is making more headway by doing nothing, but keeping it's finger on the trigger and looking increasingly pissed off.

The ball is in Iran's court.


Mike

reply to post by SLAYER69

Oh I hear ya. I think though that people are either forgetting or not yet aware of the situation with China needing oil, just wait until they start purchasing more on a global scale like they did last summer the prices will sky rocket again. It's just around the corner.

China is a huge problem and it's a huge problem in many ways we have created.

Personally I think it's highly suspicious that the former Director of the C.I.A., George Herbert Walker Bush, Sr. is appointed the Embassodar of China following Detante and a generation later during his own son's Presidency George Walker Bush, Jr. practically personally oversees 70% of the nation's domestic manufacturing capability being transfered to China when economics 101 requires a nation to manufacture exports and maintain a trade surpluss instead of defecit, and we instead opt for a huge trade deficit to favor importing goods that are still being produced and marketed and sold by American companies but manufactured abroad using cheap Chinese Labor and cheap Chinese resources and cheap Chinese production quality to import into our market. They would have had to know that would have led to a huge spike in Chinese oil consumption. Of course the Bush Family is in the Oil Business so are the Rockefeller Family Exxon/Mobil so are the Rothschild Family Royal Dutch Shell. The Rothschild Family that through successive generations practically single handedly created the modern Israeli nation and the tensions that took cheap and plentiful Arab oil into increasingly more expensive and more expensive and less plentiful Arab oil into a strategic commodity whose price could fluctuate wildly creating enormous profits basically off of politics and more powerfully still off of religious politics that are even more volitile, easier to insight and control. Having an additional needy large consumer like China could only benefit a kabal of families like the Bush, Rockefeller and Rothschild clans. More suspicious is who in essense is financing most of the political drama and violence in the Middle East today? The Chinese to fund wars carried about by America, their number one consumer and trade partner. Chinese manufactured goods hide inflation, increase giant corporations profits, and create an environment that lends itself to artificially keeping wages low as plenty of cheap yet incredibly profitible merchandise is readily available to purchase as a substitute for quality more durably made goods.

China and Russia will likely be darlings of the New World Order crowd for one simple reason. With no religious idealogies to threaten and rival the states own morality they create a homogenous mass of humanity who views the State as all powerful in all things and their only guide and determining factor in morality and allegeance.

People need to wake up to the fact that such monsters aren't created by a lack of American intelligence or planning. They are created by American monsters looking for monsters to control that they can use against their own worst nightmare and source of wealth, the American People.

I have no doubt if called upon by the President of the United States through the United Nations in appeal for troops to put down an American rebellion that the Chinese would not be delighted to comply.

I kid you not I have practically stopped driving all together now just to not feed this Oil Commerce Monster.

We all like to imagine we are free but take away our gasoline and electricity, you don't even need to take away the Internet or Guns or Bullets, Free Speech or anything else from America to quash it, we are so energy dependent and slaves to the conveniences manufactured energy provides most of us would whither and die in short order without it.

We are all enslaved to technology and the energy that runs it, and our Masters are the people who own it, and they sure know how to use it to enslave us.

Thats my humble oppinion friend.

[edit on 16/5/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Personally I think it's highly suspicious that the former Director of the C.I.A., George Herbert Walker Bush, Sr. is appointed the Embassodar of China following Detante and a generation later during his own son's Presidency George Walker Bush, Jr. practically personally oversees 70% of the nation's domestic manufacturing capability being transfered to China when economics 101 requires a nation to manufacture exports and maintain a trade surpluss instead of defecit, and we instead opt for a huge trade deficit to favor importing goods that are still being produced and marketed and sold by American companies but manufactured abroad using cheap Chinese Labor and cheap Chinese resources and cheap Chinese production quality to import into our market. They would have had to know that would have led to a huge spike in Chinese oil consumption. Of course the Bush Family is in the Oil Business so are the Rockefeller Family Exxon/Mobil so are the Rothschild Family Royal Dutch Shell. The Rothschild Family that through successive generations practically single handedly created the modern Israeli nation and the tensions that took cheap and plentiful Arab oil into increasingly more expensive and more expensive and less plentiful Arab oil into a strategic commodity whose price could fluctuate wildly creating enormous profits basically off of politics and more powerfully still off of religious politics that are even more volitile, easier to insight and control. Having an additional needy large consumer like China could only benefit a kabal of families like the Bush, Rockefeller and Rothschild clans. More suspicious is who in essense is financing most of the political drama and violence in the Middle East today? The Chinese to fund wars carried about by America, their number one consumer and trade partner. Chinese manufactured goods hide inflation, increase giant corporations profits, and create an environment that lends itself to artificially keeping wages low as plenty of cheap yet incredibly profitible merchandise is readily available to purchase as a substitute for quality more durably made goods.

Sorry, I have to cut in. This is just standard conspiracy dot connecting of China, oil, Jews and the kitchen sink. Throw in the Bush family and Rothschilds for seasoning.

China needs oil. It has a supply and always will.

Oil prices go up and they go down as they always will. Profits go up and they go down.

People with billions to spend do business with each other as they always have and always will.

Since the existence of the state of Israel, over 60 years, oil has been expensive, and oil has been cheap.

Almost all the time countries just prefer to buy oil from a reliable supplying nation and government. Wars are last resorts not choices.

There is competition and collusion among those in the oil business. This is not mysterious. It goes on with all businesses at all levels.

The costs of borrowing money, currency exchanges, technological advances, shipping routes and pipelines, all have considerably more effect on oil availability and price than the politics of the countries involved.

Macroeconomics are complex and constantly in flux.

There is no giant jigsaw puzzle.


Mike

Originally posted by mmiichael


Sorry, I have to cut in. This is just standard conspiracy dot connecting of China, oil, Jews and the kitchen sink. Throw in the Bush family and Rothschilds for seasoning.

China needs oil. It has a supply and always will.

Oil prices go up and they go down as they always will. Profits go up and they go down.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

As far as the crumbling middle class in this country TPTB could care less they don't care if we make less they'll just turn around and say spend your fewer dollars on the cheaper Chinese made products.

China's global hunt for oil

'Aggressive quest'

None of this has gone unnoticed by Western oil majors, and it risks getting up some powerful US noses.


CHINA'S THIRST FOR OIL
Chinese worker in oil refinery
2005 - 7.2 million barrels a day
2004 - 6.6 million barrels a day
2005 demand seen up 9%
2004 demand up 15%
43% of oil used by industry
34% used by cars
Sources: US EIA, IEA

James Lilley, ex-US ambassador to Beijing, has said "the Chinese are on an aggressive quest to increase their supply of oil all around the world", according to remarks quoted on industry website Alexander's Gas and Oil Connections.

ChevronTexaco chief Dave O'Reilly has warned of a "bidding war for Middle Eastern oil between east and west".

In December Asian industrialised powers swallowed their rivalries to invite Opec oil ministers to India in an attempt - albeit unsuccessful so far - to renegotiate long-term supply contracts to run for up to five years, says Mr Drollas.

China has also been "building strategic relationships" with states "along the sea lanes from the Middle East", according to Alexander's, quoting a briefing paper written for US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

[edit on 17-5-2009 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by mmiichael

Sorry, I have to cut in. This is just standard conspiracy dot connecting of China, oil, Jews and the kitchen sink. Throw in the Bush family and Rothschilds for seasoning.

Well by all means let’s investigate no further if it’s only an idea born of simple common sense. After all the obvious couldn’t be obvious could it?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims like a duck and looks like a duck, it’s a duck my friend.

Trust me I know a quack when I see one!

China needs oil. It has a supply and always will.

Someone sure fed that duck. I wonder why? Every zoo or natural habitat I visit always has signs that say don’t feed the animals, don’t feed the wild life.


When you are talking about those rapid rates of expansion and consumption over such a short 20 year period this was not a natural growth of communist doctrine, which has been now all but abandoned quest to create a pure capitalist society, with pure communist ideology and absolute rule of law. Someone threw a few extra ingredients in the Stew that sure were not from Marx’s, Lenin’s, Trotsky’s, Stalin’s, Mao’s, Castro’s, or Che’s, cookbooks.

Oil prices go up and they go down as they always will. Profits go up and they go down.

They hardly ever went up or down and it was cheap and plentiful at 14 to 22 cents a gallon before the first Arab Oil Embargo and the formation of OPEC to economically punish the United States for its financial and military support of Israel.

Unlike a lot of people who might be weighing in on these debates, I was actually alive, and lived through those times and events and remember full well what happened, when where and how. Where you, and if you were, where were you? If you were here in the U.S.A. you don’t seem to have been paying attention to Middle East politics and how it radically altered not just the Oil Markets but the Automobile Markets too, which up to that time during stable, cheap, plentiful gas, big gas guzzling American Cars were not only our number one manufactured item but a number one export commodity too.

Sorry I was there and have been watching all this go down.

People with billions to spend do business with each other as they always have and always will.

Yes they sure do, yet if you are to have Nations and you are to have free Nations were capitalism rules, business does need to consider it’s markets better and not treat both consumers and workers as just clusters of pollen embedded in and clustered on the stays of some flower, that once completely consumed they should simply fly off to where the next flower grows instead of tending to watering and feeding the one whose potency they have just extracted.

Clearly we have grown markets in Asia, markets where we helped them earn the billions from us, by giving them our jobs, and teaching them our skills, and rewarding them far less for it, and delivering far less to us in return.

We obviously live in a corporate state, where corporate rights take on precedence over citizen’s rights, and where corporate citizens have hardly any of the obligations or burdens of citizenship just every privilege and every access.

Why deny the obvious?

Since the existence of the state of Israel, over 60 years, oil has been expensive, and oil has been cheap.

The more the United States has moved to support them, the more expensive it has become. The more volatile the price has become. Since the United States adopted the enemy of my friend is my enemy too typical Middle Eastern mindset to our foreign policy the price has become even more costly and more volatile.

This is as obvious as the day is long and it is simply silly to pretend otherwise because the truth becomes inconvenient to the people who most profit off of the lie.

Israel is the bee in the flower patch doing the stinging. Not to mention it is highly coincidental that the big push after thousands of years of Diaspora on behalf of the Zionists Congress and the Rothschild Family leading the charge just happens to coincide with the initial soaring of demand for petroleum for fuel for a rapidly mechanizing society and plastics.

This thing sure is a duck my friend. I don’t blame you for wanting to duck behind something!

Almost all the time countries just prefer to buy oil from a reliable supplying nation and government. Wars are last resorts not choices.

Wars are but a continuation of politics by other means and part of the revolutionary, evolutionary process.

I have to tell you sometimes I will kick over a Sand Castle I am building at the beach that isn’t turning out to well.

There is competition and collusion among those in the oil business. This is not mysterious. It goes on with all businesses at all levels.

It is not a mystery that collusion denotes an element of conspiracy either.

The costs of borrowing money, currency exchanges, technological advances, shipping routes and pipelines, all have considerably more effect on oil availability and price than the politics of the countries involved.

These are simple logistics which as a logistician I understand quite well, having said that however, most of those are illusionary as my mint prints money, to lend to my bank, to lend to me in a way that allows me to enrich, corrupt and empower others of my choosing and when you are talking about such luminaries as Rockefeller and Rothschild that is an accurate scenario as they own all those things too. As far as technology there has not been a new refinery built in the U.S. for decades thanks to the well funded Environmentalists whose true biggest environmental challenge is making sure the environment is always safe only for big corporations and ways for them to justify big profits and controls. Yes the extraction process has become costlier as big fields begin to loose pressure and water has to be pumped in and some times travel great distances to be pumped in. However in reality politics keeps some Oil Fields like those in Iraq from even selling, and provides others like those in some of the former Soviet States to find ways to export through pipelines built in conquered nations like Afghanistan.

Macroeconomics are complex and constantly in flux.

A nice way of saying ignore the obvious we want to pretend it’s so complex so you will believe you are too stupid to understand.

Yet the truth of the matter is if I was in Peking not only would this still be a duck I would have this puppy trussed and tied hanging upside down and marinating for a day already!

This is a duck.

There is no giant jigsaw puzzle.

Then why are you trying to make one. A world of seemingly random disconnected events that creates highly unlikely coincidences, extremely profitable to but a privileged few year after year would be a puzzle.

A common sense explanation such as I have pointed out, would not be puzzling at all. Except to those with duck sauce on them.

I love that hot mustard sauce, I don’t know why? Maybe it’s because it totally overpowers the taste of the food.

Good thing, this duck is rancid! Pass the hot mustard sauce please. Oh look it’s a fortune cookie I wonder what it says. “Remember it is always better to tell the truth in all things”

Originally posted by SLAYER69

James Lilley, ex-US ambassador to Beijing, has said "the Chinese are on an aggressive quest to increase their supply of oil all around the world", according to remarks quoted on industry website Alexander's Gas and Oil Connections.

ChevronTexaco chief Dave O'Reilly has warned of a "bidding war for Middle Eastern oil between east and west".

In December Asian industrialised powers swallowed their rivalries to invite Opec oil ministers to India in an attempt - albeit unsuccessful so far - to renegotiate long-term supply contracts to run for up to five years, says Mr Drollas.

China has also been "building strategic relationships" with states "along the sea lanes from the Middle East", according to Alexander's, quoting a briefing paper written for US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

China is securing long term fixed oil prices with advance pay outs. They're greatest successes are with corrupt regimes in places like Sudan, Nigeria, wtc. China is quietly colonizing Africa for future resource draining.

They have been dealing with the Saudis and Emirates on the issue of going off the the US dollar as the reserve currency in which oil is bought and sold. This is the single biggest issue and amounts to economic warfare.

Sending in tanks is for things like border disputes.

The Middle East was given the best part of a century and they've blown their opportunity to be business like. Tribal wars over religion generated by infantile leaders is pissing off not only the West but China.

The region will be recarved up quietly but inevitably.

We can guess who the weak players are and who has an eye on them.

Right now the interactions with places like Iran are a matter of humouring the current clowns in power and cutting contracts. They same leaders will not be in place in a decade, and the questions arise as to who will replace them and whether the arrangements will be honoured.

It's very complex. No simple answers any more.


Mike

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Oil prices go up and they go down as they always will. Profits go up and they go down.

They hardly ever went up or down and it was cheap and plentiful at 14 to 22 cents a gallon before the first Arab Oil Embargo and the formation of OPEC to economically punish the United States for its financial and military support of Israel.

Gasoline prices have been affected by increasing inbuilt taxes more than the price of oil. The price of crude oil in the late 90s, factoring in inflation, was lower than before the oil embargo.



The embargo was caused by much more than the wish to punish the US. The world went off the gold standard two years before, for one thing.
Oil prices had been suppressed for decades. This was the first opportunity for the major producers to form an controlling alliance rather than be systematically exploited. Higher oil prices benefited many. The US is a major oil producer. The Texans as much as the Arabs.

Oil isn't more expensive because of Israel or it's US support.
But Israel hater like to think so.

Ask a Texas oil billionaire sometime. A family of them ran the US in the recent past.


Mike

reply to post by mmiichael

Gasoline prices have been affected by increasing inbuilt taxes more than the price of oil. The price of crude oil in the late 90s, factoring in inflation, was lower than before the oil embargo.

What are the increasing taxes for? It could not have anything to do with the horrendous costs of financially and military supporting Israel and prosecuting wars against Israel’s neighbors? We are not in the late 90s, but 2009 and factoring in hocus pocus math to deflect an issue is factoring in hocus pocus math to deflect an issue.

Speaking of which I said please pass the duck sauce not please keep ducking for cover.

This thing is still a duck.

The embargo was caused by much more than the wish to punish the US. The world went off the gold standard two years before, for one thing.

You mean the Gold standard Nixon took us off of because of the bankrupting cost of waging a war in Vietnam for tin, and repeatedly rearming Israel in a series of short wars at the same time was leading to the United States completely bankrupting itself again?

More propaganda, Nixon did in fact remove the Gold from the Brenton Woods monetary policies but in turn he made owning Gold legal for the first time since the early days of the Great Depression and created another profitable commodities market in the process.

The Arabs were not upset 2 years later at what the world collectively held it’s breath to see would work when Nixon did it two years before. That is pure nonsense.

It’s still a duck.

Oil prices had been suppressed for decades. This was the first opportunity for the major producers to form an controlling alliance rather than be systematically exploited. Higher oil prices benefited many. The US is a major oil producer. The Texans as much as the Arabs.

That’s another way of saying just what I did that prices were rock steady!

Yes, a political blunder in foreign policy that ‘chose’ sides in regional conflicts that as early as 1946 the CIA was saying would be disastrous to do in our nation’s response to the formation of Israel in declassified intelligence documents available through the Freedom of Information act led to an opportunity for the Arabs to form an alliance and use oil as a strategic weapon against the United States happened. Surprise, surprise! To bad by 1950 the Israeli Lobby had all but completely subverted and submerged the political sovereignty of Congress, the White House and the CIA and they started working to try to damage control like the aggressive take over of Iran by staging a coupe to bring back the Peacock Monarchy and the Shah of Iran as a hedge against united Arab reprisals inflaming the Iranian passions that are behind much of the belligerent stance that encompasses this current conflict.

Oil isn't more expensive because of Israel or it's US support.

Bad foreign policy and unconstitutional acts are bad foreign policy and unconstitutional acts regardless of whom or why they are carried out.

I will not prescribe too not tolerate the warped circular and selfish logic of those bigoted fools who have the temerity and audacity to claim being pro-American, and pro-Constitution and even and unbiased in our foreign policies which are all about trade is somehow linked to hatred of some other nation and people instead of simple love and respect for one’s own people and nation.

The notion of subscribing to the lowest possible common denominator versus the highest one is not in my way of thinking.

Ask a Texas oil billionaire sometime. A family of them ran the US in the recent past.

Wouldn’t you know that I have? That very same patriarch himself at the Hotel Chervo in Porto Chervo on the Costa Smeralda on the Island of Sardinia in 1984. I believe he said something to the effect “You’re a very perceptive and bright young man”.

Maybe he was just musing over the fact that a well placed bribe with the Manager at the front desk of the hotel had gotten me the nicest room in the hotel that had been reserved for him the day before. After all speaking to him from my commanding 5 level split terraced balcony that encompassed all most the entire front portion of the hotel while he stood on the small adjacent one left him in a rather small and awkward place at the time.
Considering I started out the conversation after a friendly wave with “Pardon me, do you have any Gray Poupon?”

Speaking of which could you pass the hot mustard sauce now to mask the taste of this rancid duck being served? Or is the price of that going up now too?

As I mentioned before friend, some of us were there, paying attention, lived through it and knew and know exactly what is going on.

I sure am not confused about any of it.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

What are the increasing taxes for? It could not have anything to do with the horrendous costs of financially and military supporting Israel and prosecuting wars against Israel’s neighbors?




You're essentially saying the existence of Israel has raised gasoline prices for you.

I.e. if Israel had not come into existence, or had compliantly allowed itself to disappear when it's friendly Arab neighbours decided to invade in enmasse to destroy it.

Your argument is something like the embargo of 1973-4 would not have happened and the Arabs would be blissfully selling oil to the world for pennies as they had in the past.

Yes, those horrible Israelis, trying to defend themselves from annihilation and having the audacity to protect themselves and win.

Now it costs people like you so much more to fill up your tank.


Mike

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

What are the increasing taxes for? It could not have anything to do with the horrendous costs of financially and military supporting Israel and prosecuting wars against Israel’s neighbors?

You're essentially saying the existence of Israel has raised gasoline prices for you.

I.e. if Israel had not come into existence, or had compliantly allowed itself to disappear when it's friendly Arab neighbours decided to invade in enmasse to destroy it.

Your argument is something like the embargo of 1973-4 would not have happened and the Arabs would be blissfully selling oil to the world for pennies as they had in the past.

Yes, those horrible Israelis, trying to defend themselves from annihilation and having the audacity to protect themselves and win.

Now it costs people like you so much more to fill up your tank.


Mike




Actually I try to never drive to keep people like that from profiting off of me getting from point a to b.

I would point out to you friend, that not one person who moved to Israel to steal land from the indigenous Arabs and brutalize them in a managed war of attrition for economic profit and power had a father, mother, or brother, grand father or even great grand father or even great great grandfather that lived there.

In fact few of the Israeli nation's citizens can trace a lineage back thousands of years to that breif windo in time where Hebrews called Palistine the home of the Israelites and lived in Jerusalem and surrounding areas for a brief time.

It was simply a theft of land for political not spiritual means as many of the founding Zionists were in fact athiests.

Most of them had ancestors who converted to Judiasm during the dark ages.

So a two thousand year old poorly validated spiritual text based on a faith belief system granted permission to steal this land two thousand years later, and it's caused a few problems?

Wow what a surprise.

Excuse me that this happily wondering people of mercanaries, bankers, political advisors, skilled craftsman and merchants known 6,000 years ago as the Habiru/Hapiri had wandered in and throughout and dispersing themselves in and through out kingdoms for 4,000 years before briefl settling in Jerusalem before moving on again as they always do. Excuse me that for the last 2,000 years that they have done the same.

Excuse me that they choose to remain a seperate but equal people in every nation and land that they wander of their own volition into. Excuse me that they are intent on siezing as many reigns of power in all those Kingdoms and Nations and will often jeapordize those Kingdoms and Nations as they look to the best interest of their entire political whole spread out throughout the world.

Excuse me they don't even have the guts 6,000 laters to reveal the name of their G-d(s) which they have been refusing to do for 6,000 years.

Excuse me if this so called Master race has gotten it's nose bloodied a few times as it sacrifices it's own people again and again to political goals and desire for power and wealth.

Excuse me if I don't elevate them to this lofty position of being beyond reproach and criticism while you salivate like Pavlov's Dog for the destruction of Iran and the entire Islamic World because they aren't a supperior Master race.

That dog does not hunt with me friend.

That's a mangey old rabid dog full of fleas that needs a good bath and a spell in the dog house to remember man is his best friend.

The United States Constitution does not elevate any one group of people above criticism for their individual and collective actions.

It does not and is not meant to stifle free speech and intelligeny analysis.

In the end your whole argument boils down to don't say those things it's just wrong.

Who exactly is it wrong for?

Who exactly is it right for?

Politics is politics, you want to be a bigot, go right ahead and be one.

Business is about business, you want to be a bigot, go right ahead and be one.

Me I like keeping it real, not real stupid, and not real deceptive.

Thanks Mike.

[edit on 17/5/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Actually I try to never drive to keep people like that from profiting off of me getting from point a to b....


[1000 words later]


.... Excuse me if I don't elevate them to this lofty position of being beyond reproach and criticism while you salivate like Pavlov's Dog for the destruction of Iran and the entire Islamic World because they aren't a supperior Master race.

That dog does not hunt with me friend.

That's a mangey old rabid dog full of fleas that needs a good bath and a spell in the dog house to remember man is his best friend.

The United States Constitution does not elevate any one group of people above criticism for their individual and collective actions.

It does not and is not meant to stifle free speech and intelligeny analysis.

In the end your whole argument boils down to don't say those things it's just wrong.

Who exactly is it wrong for?

Who exactly is it right for?

Politics is politics, you want to be a bigot, go right ahead and be one.

Business is about business, you want to be a bigot, go right ahead and be one.

Me I like keeping it real, not real stupid, and not real deceptive.

I'm sorry Protoplasmic Traveller, but I assume there's a rant in there somewhere along the way stating that Jews are the primary cause of problems and cause distress for the US of A.

When I was able to extract something coherent, it seems you feel Jews claim they are superior and exempt form basic laws of morality and co-operation. This is demonstrably untrue.

But given our history on ATS, no group of words I assemble will convince you otherwise, even when hard data, facts, documentation are supplied.

So please exercise your right to continue extemporizing on your views.


Mike

reply to post by mmiichael

I'm sorry Protoplasmic Traveller, but I assume there's a rant in there somewhere along the way stating that Jews are the primary cause of problems and cause distress for the US of A.

Hyphenated Americans are pursuing dual agendas. America is usually the second not the primary thing on their agendas. A secondary allegiance suggests one that is more readily sacrificed. Choose the primary allegiance of your choice…insert with a hyphen American and most who do so will order their primary allegiance first ___________American.

I believe the state is better served when you are simply an American and your primary and foremost allegiance is to your State.

It is as simple as it is logical a premise.

When I was able to extract something coherent, it seems you feel Jews claim they are superior and exempt form basic laws of morality and co-operation. This is demonstrably untrue.

Once again you have a primary focus at play here; evidently to such an extent every word uttered is only gauged to see how it can serve that primary focus.

Having said that, do you know any other race/religion of people that has something called an Anti-Defamation League? Who exactly decides what is defamatory? How is that opposition then waged against those who have be some self serving definition defamed?

It amazes me people have the temerity to put forth such rubbish.

But given our history on ATS, no group of words I assemble will convince you otherwise, even when hard data, facts, documentation are supplied.

I learn all sorts of interesting things on ATS especially when such things are supplied.
You have supplied your personal opinions and views. I have exchanged mine with you.
A not so brilliant person once said to me “A man convinced against his will is a man who remains unconvinced”. You would like to hear what you would like to hear as would we all but a wise man knows it’s not about convincing for their own benefit which ultimately will not be in their own benefit as a man not completely convinced does not make the best or most dependable of allies, he knows instead it’s about helping others learn. When a pupil is ready a Master will appear and he will learn that which he is ready for. People either choose to learn the truth of all things even when it doesn’t serve them well or people choose to learn the truth of something in such a way that complete with omissions, fabrications and embellishments it creates enough of a truth to convince themselves and validate a self serving truth, but not really truthful enough to ‘convince’ others. People learn the truth in due course and time, typically when they are ready to handle the full ramifications of the truth. The jails of the world are full of clever men who in fact weren’t quite as clever as they sought to pretend. There are jails that many more serve out their time in that have no bars or guards at all. They create their own jails with their own self serving truths.

I could select any four people at random and ask them to watch and bear witness to the occurence and I have no doubt I will get four very 'different' 'factual' renderings when querring them.

So please exercise your right to continue extemporizing on your views.

I am a force of nature! Good luck to you friend may you know real peace someday.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Hyphenated Americans are pursuing dual agendas. America is usually the second not the primary thing on their agendas. A secondary allegiance suggests one that is more readily sacrificed. Choose the primary allegiance of your choice…insert with a hyphen American and most who do so will order their primary allegiance first ___________American.

I believe the state is better served when you are simply an American and your primary and foremost allegiance is to your State.

It is as simple as it is logical a premise.

Having said that, do you know any other race/religion of people that has something called an Anti-Defamation League? Who exactly decides what is defamatory? How is that opposition then waged against those who have be some self serving definition defamed?

I agree that Americans have to be American first. I.e. upholders of the Constitution and it;'s laws with no overriding loyalty to any nation or organization.

Some Americans have has difficulty with this as they have been isolated as not completely American due to their race, colour or creed.

Italian-Americans had an organization that tried to protect them from negative portrayals and perceptions in the media. Afro-Americans have an active system and bodies that work to protect their equality and access to all rights.

Jews, a small minority in a predominantly Christian country, have found the need the ensure that they are not discriminated against due to certain perceptions held by many Americans.

The hope of all these, as well as Asians, Muslims, Hispanics, and others is to be accepted fully as Americans and not require recourse to special agencies to ensure their freedom and rights are granted.


Mike

I think the CIA visit might be in response to reports that Russian intelligence warned the Iranians to cancel an airshow in which 140 military aircraft would be involved. The Israeli air force had been planning to launch an air strike to destroy them on the ground.

It is possible that the Israeli government was not going to inform Washington of this planned attack. This visit is probably the Obama administration's warning not to try something like this again and using a top level official drives the point home.

Debka File Source

Moscow had informed the Iranians that its spy satellites and intelligence sources had picked up preparations at Israeli Air Force bases to destroy the 140 warplanes, the bulk of the Iranian air force, on the ground the night before the display, leaving its nuclear sites without aerial defense. A similar operation wiped out the entire Egyptian air fleet in the early hours of the 1967 war.

I heard this on either CNN, Fox or the BBC I can't remember which. However, I can't find anything online to confirm that. Only blogs that link back to this Debka file source.

EDIT:


Timeline of events
The Airshow was scheduled for...............April 17th

Leon Panetta travels to Israel.................May 1st*

The Debka News article came out...........May 7th


* I picked exactly two weeks before May 15th but that could have been meant sometime two weeks ago and not exactly two weeks ago.'

it emerged yesterday that Leon Panetta, the head of the CIA, went to Israel two weeks ago.

Times Online Article on May 15th

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Originally posted by Studious
I think the CIA visit might be in response to reports that Russian intelligence warned the Iranians to cancel an airshow in which 140 military aircraft would be involved. The Israeli air force had been planning to launch an air strike to destroy them on the ground.

It is possible that the Israeli government was not going to inform Washington of this planned attack. This visit is probably the Obama administration's warning not to try something like this again and using a top level official drives the point home.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I have the impression the US and Israel are more in sync than they let on to the public.

Iran has been playing an interminable game of bluffing, and Israel and the US are calling it.

Iran tries to intimidate by showing they're on the verge of making a move - which they're really not. The US and Israel reply by showing they are not only prepared for serious retaliation, they are already preparing for an advance preventive strike.

This puts Iran back into a corner they hadn't planned on being in. The crowing was intended to scare off attack, not to encourage it.

Israel has been pretty good at outwitting it's foes. With Iran it's a bit trickier but only a bit.

I advise those trying to following this extended song and dance, when any side makes something public, it's more about what they want people to think they're up to, than what they are really up to.


Mike



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While I agree what is reported is what they want people to know. I believe the United States and Israel are no longer in lock step over Iran.

Netanyahu's government is hawkish. Israel knows a nuclear armed Iran would be extremely dangerous and they've launched a successful air strike against nuclear sites before in Iraq. Therefore, launching another air strike seems like a logical possibility.

Obama has been conciliatory and avoids confrontation. The United States cannot afford another conflict (politically at least) and might try and prevent an Israel-Iran war in which the United States would possibly become involved.

My bet is Netanyahu wants to strike and Obama does not. This difference of opinion might have led to Leon Panetta's visit.

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Bingo.
Studious

I think you nailed it right on the head.
There is a division and I'm not sure if people can believe it. It does show the US moving independent of Israel.

Originally posted by Studious
reply to post by mmiichael

 

While I agree what is reported is what they want people to know. I believe the United States and Israel are no longer in lock step over Iran.

Netanyahu's government is hawkish. Israel knows a nuclear armed Iran would be extremely dangerous and they've launched a successful air strike against nuclear sites before in Iraq. Therefore, launching another air strike seems like a logical possibility.

Obama has been conciliatory and avoids confrontation. The United States cannot afford another conflict (politically at least) and might try and prevent an Israel-Iran war in which the United States would possibly become involved.

My bet is Netanyahu wants to strike and Obama does not. This difference of opinion might have led to Leon Panetta's visit.

I agree with your assessment as it's based on generally disseminated information.

Without wanting to appear mysterious, I have a bit of a leg up on all this.

The US is getting ready to distance itself from Israel, at least publicly. At the same time Israel is the one assurance of a rational pro-Western presence in the region that is armed and ready in the event of a major conflict.

Israeli intelligence informs it that though Iran is making progress in it's nuclear capabilities, it has many hurdles to overcome before it is capable of reliably delivering anything destructive.

Israel wants to essentially nip this in the bud right now. The US is in a wait and see mode.

Complicated because the US is considering a detente with Iran and pulling away to some degree itself from it's other allies, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. Iran and US actually make a more natural alliance considering Afghanistan and Iraq's positioning, pipelines and movement of oil through the region. A shake up of the region is going to happen, and you'll see some surprising role reversals.

The impediment is the intractability of the mullah regime determined to punish both Israel and the US or perceived transgression, culturally as much as politically.

What everyone hopes for is the war of nerves will force Iran's hand and there will be a justifiable retaliation.

So a complex chess game. Iran is the weakest, most volatile, and most capable of making a wrong move.

We'll see what happens.


Mike







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