World's largest polluters unite against 'carbon' schemes

The "climate envoys" of the world's largest polluters have decided to oppose greenhouse gastaxes, credits and schemes aimed to reduce CO2 emissions. India urged other emerging countries to oppose developed countries' efforts to force developing nations to make binding commitments on reducing their carbon emissions or pay tariffs.


Russia, China, India, Brazil (the "BRIC countries") will oppose carbon schemes at a meeting of the BRIC group, in preparation for the December U.N. Copenhagen Conference.

India's top climate negotiator Shyam Saran said there should be high level talks between Brazil, Russia, India and China on a global pact to combat climate change before the first BRIC summit in Russia next month, at the level of either politicians or senior officials organized by the Observer Research Foundation (ORF).

"This is necessary to give the necessary push at the BRIC level to the serious issue of climate change," said Saran, describing energy security and climate change as "two sides of the same coin". ]

The BRIC summit should send a clear message that "green protectionism" and "the so-called green tariff" are not acceptable to developing countries, he added. "Green should not become a label for protectionism."

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All this while Barack Obama pushes American business and consumers to finance such schemes, despite warnings within the Congress and White House that his program and its bases are flawed.

India urged other emerging countries to oppose developed countries' efforts to force developing nations to make binding commitments on reducing their carbon emissions or pay tariffs.

"We are concerned that 'green' is becoming a new label for protection. We are now seeing on the grounds of level-playing field and maintaining competitiveness, the developing nations will be forced to take up binding commitment on emissions reduction or pay tariff," Shyam Saran, special envoy to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on climate change, was quoted as saying.

If this is what they (developed countries) insist on, we need to send them a clear message that green protectionism is not acceptable," Saran said.

His remarks came at a meeting of representatives of the four BRIC countries -- Brazil, Russia, India and China -- in New Delhi to prepare for the first BRIC summit set for next month in Russia.

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The BRIC countries account for 40 percent of the world's population and 40 percent of global gross domestic product.

Australia, the EU and the UK are backing off of draconian carbon regulation and carbon trading schemes. Why are we "going it alone", and why do the American consumers and taxpayers have to pay for it?"

jw

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"Australia, the EU and the UK are backing off of draconian carbon regulation and carbon trading schemes. Why are we "going it alone", and why do the American consumers and taxpayers have to pay for it?"

An industry has emerged over the last decade, or more, generating the "global warming" concept. The money people behind the concept are wanting to make a profit. The best way for this to be accomplished is lobbying the governmental agencies to enact legislation to guarantee losses of the monies already expended will not occur.

Our leaders, many of whom have been influenced by the money-people, feel that they must perform for their masters. This assures our leaders of future, ongoing benefits, to themselves, at the expense of the American consumer/ taxpayer.

The lobby groups are many and diverse in ideology and implementation.
The voices of the opposition are not heard because money shouts.

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Of course, the 'money people' do not even want to comsider options that do not require expenditure of large amounts of capital and the imposition of others decisions upon the masses.

Greenpeace and other so-called environmental activists are admantly opposed to measures that have been proven to mitigate CO2, but without enriching the AGW Enviro-Industry complex:

“Carbon Benefits Project”: Land management lowers CO2, may open carbon markets to poor
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"Forests Could Undermine Carbon Market: Greenpeace"
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We've got the means at our disposal to help developing countries and the environment at the same time!

"Use Energy, Get Rich and Save the Planet"
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Deny ignorance.

jw

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Originally posted by jdub297


India urged other emerging countries to oppose developed countries' efforts to force developing nations to make binding commitments on reducing their carbon emissions or pay tariffs.

"We are concerned that 'green' is becoming a new label for protection. We are now seeing on the grounds of level-playing field and maintaining competitiveness, the developing nations will be forced to take up binding commitment on emissions reduction or pay tariff," Shyam Saran, special envoy to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on climate change, was quoted as saying.

If this is what they (developed countries) insist on, we need to send them a clear message that green protectionism is not acceptable," Saran said.

He's being polite. It's a new label for powergrab. Imagine if this goes through - the gov't will control the energy industry in ways never dreamed of.

Australia, the EU and the UK are backing off of draconian carbon regulation and carbon trading schemes. Why are we "going it alone", and why do the American consumers and taxpayers have to pay for it?"

jw

Because we have Algore, GE, and Barack Obama is why.

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They won't even have to compete with us anymore, if we eliminate ourselves from manufacturing and power production.

But, they'll miss us as consumers because we won't be able to buy any of the goods THEY will be manufacturing and we won't.

jw

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You saw that coming, didn't you?

Australians have now TWICE told the government NO to drastic anti-carbon measures that would have destroyed their economy while BRIC expanded at ungodly rates.

China and Brazil are looking at 9+% growth, while we struggle to keep from going negative! Russia believes they are on the brink of doing the same with their industry, but that's iffy because the gov't has its fingers in so much of their pie.

jw