so they left revelations intact?

so the bible is badly translated, 3/4 of the books left out or burned but revelations is left 100% intact
i dont think it's possible ....oh....so that's why revelations is so hard to understand if revelations is tampered material then what do we have?

maybe the antichrist wont be a jew among other things...

crap i just turned my whole world upside down....oh well

Are you talking to yourself, or do you mind me joining???

I don't believe anyone has stated that the Revelation is intact. In fact, there are several threads concerning the alternative manuscript that proclaims the number of the beast to be 616 instead of 666.

The anti-christ will most definitely NOT be a Jew if you go by Revelation. So, I agree with that statement.

[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Valhall]

Originally posted by Valhall
Are you talking to yourself, or do you mind me joining???
[Edited on 4-27-2004 by Valhall]

those thoughts just hit me that's all

not really sure what you mean "leave revelations intact". would u like to elaborate?

Who ever said revelations is intact? Possibly all the books that we know of in the bible are left intact yet there are so many more left out.

The only True word of God is in the Torah. Revelations needs to be broken down word for word to try to understand it. I still do not understand some of it, it can be interpreted in so many ways. The only one who knows the time and place is only God Himself.

Do you have any information in defense to your claims.

Trick

Originally posted by neo sephhi
maybe the antichrist wont be a jew among other things...

oh my goodness... you misread that flawed document. You can be SURE that the antichrist will not[b/] be someone who practices the Jewish faith. Even Jesus said this. It was something along the lines of "and he may be a person who claims to be of the House of God but is really of the House of Satan."

how many books are mentioned in the Bible that aren't there? This is the reason we should never give churches or governments blue pencils I would suppose.
Things get changed. Words mean something else. Any tyrant will tell you, it's good only if they say so.

Anybody see the camel?

neo sephhi,

re: "...but revelations is left 100% intact"

re: "...so that's why revelations is so hard to understand..."

re: "... if revelations is tampered material then what do we have?"



Trickmastertrick,

re: "Revelations needs to be broken down..."


Any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?

Originally posted by garyo1954
how many books are mentioned in the Bible that aren't there? This is the reason we should never give churches or governments blue pencils I would suppose.
Things get changed. Words mean something else. Any tyrant will tell you, it's good only if they say so.

Anybody see the camel?

I think you mean the red pencil (strike through "F") for perfect reasoning. Revelations exists as a FEAR INDUCED FACTOR. Behold your fate. Its gameboardmanship (monopoly-soul) (scrabble-mind) and a cheapshot at getting humans to do whatever is needed to in fear mode. Why? Why not, we are a gulible fearful people that is at the same time greedy. Revelations has stood the test of time for good reason (NO REASON). I dont get it, read Grimms Fairy Tales to the kiddies youd have the same result. FEAR---but different, based in Moral dilema rather than that of Gods Potencial Wrath. It should be spelled RE-VEAL-IZATION, mirror right back to you; your purported IMPERFECTIONS; then wallow in them. Its a method to yoke and bind the spirit NOTHING MORE.

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The only True word of God is in the Torah.

I beg to differ...

Moses was just a man... and showed himself to be less then such...

Jesus Vs The Imposter

Revelations is just a way for some people to make sense of this world we live in.

The reason why people are unfair is because of the devil.
The reason why there are plans for a one world government is because of the anti-christ.

BUT, if you believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior then none of this matters because you will just go to heaven.

It is just one way of looking at the world and trying to find peace within it.

New Testament biblical scholars do not think that Revelation in its current form is how it was originally written.
Meaning that it had been re-edited at least twice.
That is pretty much normal for New Testament books.
What usually happened was that someone wrote a book,
Then other people copied parts of it,
Then the original was lost somehow,
Then people try to accurately reconstruct the original from as many parts as they can find.
It does not mean that anyone maliciously "tampered" with it to make it say something that it didn't before.
Some commentators will criticise the reconstruction and state their own views on how it could have been done better.
The current version is pretty old and most people just deal with it as it is found today.

YES TRUST ME, nobody wants to play with the book of revelation because of the plagues and curses that have been written and said about what will happen if someone does verses Rev 22:18-19. Don't test the Almighty God changing the words or adding in the book of Revelation or you will find out quick,fast, and in a hurry who is really running things
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