This revolution you speak of : implications

Let's take a real hard look at the armed revolution many people seem to be foaming at the mouth to get started.

Ima try to keep this as short as possible for clarity.

Where is your?

- army
- experienced leaders
- communications network (cell phones , internet don't count as they are not in your control)
- first aid service
- satellites
- night vision / thermal vision gear
- body armor
- military ready vehicles
- caches of food, water, fuel and bullets

And let's be honest... how much time have you really spent at the range... EVER?

This is just touching the surface folks. The list goes on and on. The US military is not a joke, you do not want to be on the receiving end, ever.

So you want to be an insurgent

Your life is about to really REALLY suck. Prepare to see your comrades picked off one by one, houses destroyed, friends and family killed. Electricty? I hope you've been enjoying it. Because once the US Military realizes your block is used for insurgent activity you won't have any. Or any water, or gas.

They have tanks, you know that right? And helicopter, jets and more high tech gear than you can shake a stick at. You won't be able to piss in the backyard without the Army knowing. As an insurgent you're a domestic enemy, btw. Gloves = off. Pray for mercy.

So. If you're ready to hold your budies as they die in your arms, deliver babies in dark rooms and watch lots of people around you suffer then let's get this party started. BUT, if you're not looking forwards to months and months and months of THAT, then get out and vote. Call your congressman/women. Write the local paper. Do something, ANYTHING, within the legal political framework already provided to you.

I'm just saying, it's not going to be NEARLY as much fun as you think.

This country has already had one very bloody civil war. I don't think we need another.

This message was inspired by the OTHER thread on the revolution and nutnfancy, a must see youtube director.



ps. if you think the economy is bad now.. you aint see NOTHING yet. imagine almost no economic activity for months on end. good times, good times.

pss. as some1 mentioned in the other thread. america would make a nice juicy target for china/russia in the middle of a little civil war. boy doesn't THAT sound like fun.


Pray for peace.

I think that it will only come to civil war if the hardships faced by the average citizen is greater than the hardships you have discussed.

I also think that most people aren't "wishing" for a new civil war, but think that it is impossible to avoid.

I hope that it never comes to that.

Nutnfancy is a good guy, I always enjoy his videos.

But you're right, revolution won't be easy. The only way anyone could pull it off is to have an iron will. We don't have the numbers, logistics, or capability. Just raw numbers, and those are easily thinned out with the military's toys.

Your mistake is in assuming a "get on line" and attack against superior military forces.

Never happen.

That superior military hardware? A simple series of HiCaps, triggering a simple directional EMP, and all that expensive military hardware? Those communications? That thermal and night vision you speak of? Instant junk.

Did you ever stop to think about where all our high-tech weapons developments originate from? Certainly not our National Laboratories.

Ever wonder who developed, improve, and supply those most proven weapons systems found in our military inventory?

Civilians developed every single one. Often in small shops spread all over America. Ever wonder why we have civilian contractors maintaining our military hardware? Believe me, it's not a cost decision.

Manpower. You may want to look up current military COMBAT manpower levels, and for a real eye opener, look up the numbers of civilian COMBAT experienced men who are now considered veterans.

Especially if you're into the numbers thing. Which assumes that our military is going to conduct war on the American people, many of whom are family members of our military.

Leadership? You'd be surprised. I much rather have a combat proven Sergeant or Captain over the bulk of our current crop of Generals. You see, pristine report writing, PowerPoint presentation skills, conflict avoidance, political pucker smooching, and working the Washington cocktail circuit are not exactly desirable characteristics when it comes to a fight.

Ammunition? Right at this moment, the American people have more weapons and ammunition in their homes than probably the US military and any two other European armies have combined.

Food and water? You really didn't think about this one, did you? Our military doesn't stock a much food, just like many civilians don't stock much food. Our military depends on constant resupply.

Now what kind of food would you assume they'd get if they warred on their suppliers? Along easily anticipated lines of approach? You better rethink that one.

Same thing goes for power and fuel.

Don't even try to suggest that our military could even control one major US city. Not enough manpower. And that's if they had no other problems.

Yea they're all gonna strategically mobilize to the Wal-Mart parking lots and take on Abrams M1 tanks and Apache Attack Choppers with they're rifles in one hand and Tim Hortons coffeee in the other.

No disrespect to the movement as I am in agreement with the issues of our Govt.

However, to have the delusional idea that a war of citizen patriots vs. our military is plain silly and not slightly realistic.

reply to post by FX44rice


Yep, that's what the Czar said, Marie Antoinette, and the British King George.

Funny about that.

It did happen.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by dooper]

Stars for Dooper.

The American colonies rebelling against the British, no one gave them a chance.

Afghanistan fighting mighty USSR.

Never say never. As I have said before hopefully it never comes to another civil war.

reply to post by autsse


Like I just gotta a hot air balloon we could drop fire bombs from...
if my mom lets me use it though..

I think there is a general misconception about this so called "revolt". I highly doubt some cult of revolutinaries is going to go on a frontal assault against enemies that are still unknown to them. When you can't identify the enemy, how do you know who to target.

I see it as being pushed into unavoidable actions. When the SHTF and is at your door, do you lay down and take it?

The real revolution starts with people claiming 9 and not filing your 1040, stop paying your mortgage, and credit card debts. Withdrawling your money from your 401K, bank accounts, and stock markets. Keep it for yourself, until it becomes worthless, which seems to be becomming reality.

Lets get real, most everyone is still too chicken-s to do it. I wouldn't say that if I haven't already done so myself, as I have.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

Something else to consider is the fact that the military is horrifically dependent on electrons for their equipment. Add in the fact they can't pull from the grid since citizen militias could blow up or dismantle any electrical line anywhere at the most inopportune time to really put the hurt on them.

This leads them to relying on generators for all of the electrical junk. You don't need to have an EMP to fix them, just bomb the daylights out of every tanker, refinery, and pipeline. Between this and the fact that almost no one would support the government of the US should this "Theoretical War" break out, they'd be out of their tanks soon enough.

And who needs a range? Its called hunting, and we have seasons of it all the time. Not to mention the fact that even if troops are able to generate maps in this environment (doubtful, given they are dependent on GIS-type technology for up to day mapping), they won't have the first hand knowledge that comes with having lived in those areas. This was a major point that the British fowled up on in the 1770's as well.

By no means would it be an easy fight, but you'd be surprised how good the odds would be. You don't even need your sergeants and captains to lead, convince the local mayor and sheriff and you have a decent leadership to start with. If they give you lip, remind them they aren't proxies of the Federal Government but of the state, and the state (I'm guessing) is against what the Federal government is doing.

Anyway, just my few centavos, or centmaros...or whatever we'll be calling them.

90 million gun owners, 300 million guns (one for everyone)
I don't think our military will turn on its own people.
If they did think Taliban



[edit on 12-5-2009 by timewalker]

Any Patriot who thinks they will be going toe to toe with the forces of any of TPTB will not last long.

Fortunately, I am not aware of too many Patriots who would try.

All things are relative and when our Forefathethers fought against the British, they too were taking on the world's reigning superpower.





[edit on 12-5-2009 by Oaktree]

Another note, the OP assumes that the military would automatically side with the government against American citizens. I don't know if that is true. This military is voluntary and a large portion are true American patriots. I feel that the military would split into factions with the majority siding with the American people, not the corporate run government.

we need a peaceful revolution much like the 1960's. i have a hard time beliving american troops will fire upon american citizens in mass (athough our government would love it). we must not start a violent revolt the negative implications are massive. although, if the american people trying to reform their tyrannical govt should come under fire from the miltary, foregin or domestic, we must not let our brothers die by the hand of a government that seeks to indimdate us into slavery, we must take up arms to protect family, friend, and constitution...i pray to god this will never happen.

Originally posted by FX44rice
Yea they're all gonna strategically mobilize to the Wal-Mart parking lots and take on Abrams M1 tanks and Apache Attack Choppers with they're rifles in one hand and Tim Hortons coffeee in the other.

No disrespect to the movement as I am in agreement with the issues of our Govt.

However, to have the delusional idea that a war of citizen patriots vs. our military is plain silly and not slightly realistic.

I guess we're stuck with our government, whether we like it or not.



Those bastards.

reply to post by Donnie Darko

We are not stuck with our government.

First, the majority of the people have to become aware of the policies and legislation being imposed upon them. At this time the majority are not aware.

Second, the masses in their state of unawareness will side against Patriots, as the Govt will make the Patriots out to be terrorists. So your neighbors will be acting as intelligence against you.

Third, what about NATO. You think other PTB nation alliances will not emerge to wipe out aggressors?

People need to critically analyze this issue before heading to Joes Army Navy Shop.

Informing the majority of citizens with the knowledge of what is being done to them, and what the future will look like if our Govt action continues is critically necessary, prior to any war violence.

reply to post by dooper


As of now I have one star and you have several. That's the level of utter delusion we're dealing with here, which is very dangerous. People who can't even pop off 50 rounds accurately (and probably never have) think that overnight we're all going to be empowered with magical military might. It's simply not happening. The truth is most of us are arm chair warriors. Some of yall out there have seen war and have training, but you're the minority. And it's not like yall can bring us all up to speed in 1 weeks time.

Moving onto your post :

- EMPs are great for movies but in real life, it's a bit different. When was the last EMP attack in the real world? Ask yourself why, if they are so easy and so effective people aren't popping off EMP bombs all the time. Because it's not sooo easy, that's why. And let's face it, unless you can mass produce EMPs it's a losing idea. It's not as if even local law enforcement only has 1 set of thermal/infared - they got a whole warehouse.

- The high tech weps / gear comes from high tech shops with special equipment. The govt isn't going to let you have these when you fight them - promise.

- I'd wager that even your local swat dept could secure a decent chunk of your city, muchless the national guard or regular military. It's not that hard, really.

1) Cut power
2) Block roads
3) Deploy blackhawks with FLIR, etc to radio strike teams - not to mention the onboard machine guns and rockets
4) Deploy humvees
5) If you shoot at the army they will shoot back, promise.

- You could get a sgt, etc, but their all spread out and its still you and a "few" leaders vs the entire real military. Bad idea.

- Ammo? Surely you jest. US citizens do have a lot of ammo but once again, all spread out all over the place. We don't have huge caches of all sorts of rounds - or dedicated plants for making rounds like the military does.

You don't get it.
They = trained + infinite resources
Us = not trained + very limited resources

- Food, once again - the military has more. They aren't going to let the local walmart stay open if the bad guys are getting food there.

- Power and fuel?

Repeat after me : If you fight the US Military they are not going to let you have any resouces, this is how war works.

reply to post by Ace High


If you're doing an armed revolution they are going to shoot you. Period.

reply to post by autsse



Thank God for another voice of reason. They were ganging up on me in the other thread. If you are thinking about starting a civil war because you percieve your way of life is being threatened, you are dillusional. You are a Timothy McViegh and you will die by the hand of good people who oppose your violent tactics. You lost the election and you are sore losers. Majority rules in this land and the rule of law has been brought back. Not one of these "revolutionarys" can give a good reason for revolt. Not one of them stood up when the Bush regime robbed them blind. Of course there are exceptions, exceptions who live in a fantasy land. One of these gun nuts voted for Obama and didn't even know his platform. Now he is mad and wants to start shooting. I am so offended that, after 8 years of hell, these nuts want to taint this era of enlightenment with blood.

Here is your answer. That thread was made for you naysayers in mind. Enjoy

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