Reptilian Discussion: TheMythLives and undo

Hello, ladies and gentelmen, this is going to be a discussion about the existance of Reptilians.

I, TheMythLives, will be discussing why they do NOT exist
undo will be discussing why they do exist

The lay out will be:

1 opening statment each
10 replies each, but this will most likely change
1 closing statment each

Undo and I would like to request that no one posts until we have finsihed the discussion completely. After the discussion please feel free to post with your thoughts and comments, let us know what you think and ask us questions. Hopefully, this will be educational to both of us.

Undo will begin the discussion.

Remeber ladies and gentlemen: Civility and Decorum

AND

Enjoy the discussion.....

To begin, I'd like to offer some data on the subject from a few prominent examples:

1) Ancient Texts
--A) biblical
--B) sumerian
2) Artifacts
--A) sumerian

there are many others, but this seems like a good starting point.

Did you know, there's not a single remaining piece of art from ancient Sumer, that depicts a humanized "god"? All the humanized gods in mesopotamian art, are AFTER the Black Sea Flood. The artforms of the gods we see in Akkad and Babylon are based on memories that have been humanized. In other words, artforms depicting "gods" and "goddesses" of ancient Sumer or earlier, as human, are incorrect. The only remaining full body images of beings from or before ancient Sumer are of Reptilians or Reptilian-Amphibians.

The word reptilian is hinted at repeatedly in the biblical texts, most notable examples being "Seraph" and "Serpent." A seraph is from the hebrew and means, "a fiery serpent" or "flying fiery serpent" or simply "serpent" et. al, a dragon. We've come to think of "Dragons" as mythical beasts, who look like a cross between a pterodactyl and a quadraped dinosaur. But what if originally, the concept was referring to an amalgam of sorts, between the dinosaurs of the very distant past and the reptilian humanoids who followed them?

Let's take the plural of seraph (seraphim). This is the name of a race of angelic beings, who clearly can "fly", as is mentioned in the biblical texts. Now why would a race of angels be named "Serpent"? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count!

Furthermore, the Serpent from the "Garden of Eden" was clearly not a snake. It was a Seraph. It could evidently communicate and was an upright, bipedal being, that could fly...that is...before it was "grounded."

So here we have the biblical texts referencing a race of reptilian beings who were more specifically, a race of angelic beings. Even earlier, the sumerian texts reference similar beings. For example, the sumerian text, ENKI AND THE WORLD ORDER, called Enki (a god of Sumer) the "Great Dragon." A title seen thousands of years later in the Book of Revelation, as a descriptive title of the Serpent, et.al, Satan.

From the ancient cities of Sumer we find the following reptilian artifacts:

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side profile
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females
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There are literally no other statue types prior to the Black Sea Flood. They are all reptilian, even the famous mother goddess statues were reptilian. This one has had a human head made for it and added to it later as you can see by the color and texture differences of the materials
www.imagesturkey.com...
closer examination reveals clawed feet, heavily decayed, and scaled patterns on her legs and sides
THIS is how she originally appeared when they found her, before they added the fake human head, fake feet and so on
www.mythinglinks.org...

Reptilians are real and a real part of history. In fact, they were here for thousands of years before homo sapians arrived on the scene.

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Alright lets get this going,

Reasons they do not exist:

1) They deny the laws of physics
2) They defy the laws of nature
3) History proves they do not exist
4) Physical incapabilities

Many of you may know the thread I created entitled, David Icke, Reptilians, Oh my. I presented evidence of why they could not exist. This time around I will be elaborating more and going into extreme detail.

Did you know, there's not a single remaining piece of art from ancient Sumer, that depicts a humanized "god"?

To be honest I did not know that and I find that interesting, but explainable, I will do my best to decode this picture for you:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3a2394ff8881.jpg[/atsimg]

The picture above represents many things and much symbology. Look at the main creature its supposedly a god giving life to man. Now the Sumerian culture believed that they (and many cultures still believe) that the Gods came from the heavens, which the wings symbolize. Now what came from the sky? what flew? A bird, which is why the god has a beek. Its all connected. I could go on, but I think you can understand from here.

Undo used evidence from the bible, which makes me wonder and calls for some questions that I hope are answered:

1) How old is the earth?
2) Did these beings evolve, from lower beings?

Two very important questions, if they are to even be considered among the general scientific community as scientific.

I will go further and explain further the symbology and representations of the Reptilians.

In some cultures snakes were fertility symbols

LINK

Some cultures regarded snakes as immortal because they appeared to be reincarnated from themselves when they sloughed their skins.

LINK

Quetzalcoatl (Plumed Serpent), who was balanced by the evil spirit of sacrifice, the Serpent of Obsidian Knives which was one of the four pillars supporting the sky. In each case, the association with snakes was based on imagery rather than snake-like qualities.

LINK

Symbols, Imagery. Just because they were drawn does not mean that what was drawn was true. Snakes have carried the weight of symbology for years, much like the owl and donkey. For instance:

The Democrats and the Republicans used donkeys and elephants for their representations, for imagery. Just because they have donkeys and elephants does not mean that the candidates are donkeys or elephants. They are a symbol for something. This is how they originated:

The Donkey— Presidential candidate Andrew Jackson was the first Democrat ever to be associated with the donkey symbol. His opponents during the election of 1828 tried to label him a "jackass" for his populist beliefs and slogan, "Let the people rule." Jackson was entertained by the notion and ended up using it to his advantage on his campaign posters.

But cartoonist Thomas Nast is credited with making the donkey the recognized symbol of the Democratic Party. It first appeared in a cartoon in Harper's Weekly in 1870, and was supposed to represent an anti-Civil War faction. But the public was immediately taken by it and by 1880 it had already become the unofficial symbol of the party.

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The Elephant— Political cartoonist Thomas Nast was also responsible for the Republican Party elephant. In a cartoon that appeared in Harper's Weekly in 1874, Nast drew a donkey clothed in lion's skin, scaring away all the animals at the zoo. One of those animals, the elephant, was labeled "The Republican Vote." That's all it took for the elephant to become associated with the Republican Party.

LINK

With that I close my opening, hopefully, challenging the realistic side with the imagery used in art for thousands of years. Hopefully, I have stated evidence why the art was the way it was and thus adding more facts of why they cannot possibly exist.

I think the reason that people put a great deal of weight on ancient artifacts is because we know they had to carve or draw for a reason. A lot of the Sumerian texts indicate gods from the sky (the Annunaki). The only problem I see with this thread, is this is the first I heard about the Annunaki being reptilian. As far as my knowledge goes they where mammalian and humanoid.

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Undo and I would like to request that no one posts until we have finsihed the discussion completely.

hint hint i guess i didn't take it either.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by Solomons]

Well, since I know what I know we should not only look at the Reptilians but all the different species.

In my experiences with beings different then ourselves and from what they have shown me on my travels with them there are many different species doing many different things.

We all know when dealing with this subject the people that believe, believe and the people that don't, don't believe and until each and every one that is questioning are Aliens and UFO's real has some type of experience with one or the other or even both they will be sitting on the fence and that's okay.

All I can say is when the truth is revealed many will be dumbfounded.

Originally posted by DaMod
I think the reason that people put a great deal of weight on ancient artifacts is because we know they had to carve or draw for a reason. A lot of the Sumerian texts indicate gods from the sky (the Annunaki). The only problem I see with this thread, is this is the first I heard about the Annunaki being reptilian. As far as my knowledge goes they where mammalian and humanoid.

to state "annunaki" would be wrong, simply because the literal meaning is peoples of god, hes stating that the seraphim (seraph being serpent....) are but ONE of the races, maybe 1 of 3 or 14 but who realy knows, seeing as when god banished lucifer ie "the great surpent" or sa-tan from the kingdom of heaven he also banished the 1/3 of the angels who followed him, so maybe there are 3 races of "godlike" or "created" beings? but then again there are 14 chairs of angels........maybe its 14 RACES of angels, then wouldn't the annunaki be 3 or 14 different races of "huminoid" beings.

Very interesting discussion, however 1. Reptillin discussions are by rule of ATS not allowed in this forum, and 2. If you do not want any replies other than between the two of you, might I suggest humbly that you submit a request for a formal debate in the debate forum. This forum is for open discussions among all members. You each have good points and I would be very interested in watching a structured debate between you in the proper forum

I guess I should not have written either as per request (until they finished) and I APOLOGIZE. my bad.

Originally posted by NephraTari
Very interesting discussion, however 1. Reptillin discussions are by rule of ATS not allowed in this forum, and 2. If you do not want any replies other than between the two of you, might I suggest humbly that you submit a request for a formal debate in the debate forum. This forum is for open discussions among all members. You each have good points and I would be very interested in watching a structured debate between you in the proper forum

Too bad, this was interesting.

Did the debate move to another forum?
I didnt know their was a Debate Forum. Cool! ATS has great Kung Fu!

hrm, i'm not sure how to proceed regarding where we should post this topic. it's up to you, themythlives. i hate formal debates tho. i'd much rather see this put into skunk works so we can continue without alot of formalities.

reply to post by DaMod


I have heard that multiple times infact, they were, according to what I heard, the 'foe' of the reptilians here on EArth.

The Anunnaki was the Reptilians from Nibiru and somewhere in time there was a war between them, one side killed the Dinos, since they were the food source for the other reptilians, and not an huge asteroid as we learn in school.

According to Sitchin, there was used nukes (Weapons of old) and Sumaria was destroyd follwed by the building of Babylon...

Please dont take any of this as fact in any way , it is just what I heard in difrent lectures......

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Ya ATS has had a debate forum for a long time. when you see someone with the title fighter below their other titles it means they participate in the structured debates

Reasons they do not exist: 1) They deny the laws of physics 2) They defy the laws of nature 3) History proves they do not exist 4) Physical incapabilities

1) planes for exemple deny the lawys of physics, all apples thrown in the air dropped to the ground this is the gravity. but planes fly, planes deny that laws of physics but i'm sure if now, we show a plane to man coming from 15 century he freakout and he refuse to belive it.

here a good article

xoomer.virgilio.it...



2) we have human exemple hermaphrodite and animals who defy the laws of nature there many serious exemple and many scientis discover new species of plants or animals very curious. But they evolved and New species were continually evolving this is the evolution

animal.discovery.com...

it's wired by the way but it show many exemples of animals who defy the lawys of nature

4) history proof anything because for historian it's mytology, so there are nothing to proof, they dont exist for them.
so why they loose there time to talk about reptilian
but it always start with somethings, but why the snake? ok there a link to the mytology but how and why they decide to use the snake as a symbole, you give us a good exemple with elephant and donkey, so what is the history of the snake? it is 2 guys walking in the bush and trying to find a logo for there cave and find a snake and they say let's use this !

4) Physical incompabilites, i dont understand that part.
a friend give me a book talking about the sumerien and the annunaki and on and on , we are geneticaly created by them this what you mean ? but
how do you know if we are or not compatible because first we can not proof it and any scientist and any historian even you and me we can proof that,i mean geneticaly. and secondly many paleontologist was saying that the Neanderthal has any compatibility with the homo sapiens now they find a rest of a child in portugal neanderthal/sapiens a mix of both species and they start to say that the neanderthal disappeared simply because it is mixed with sapiens ? even the scientific sometimes does not answer the main question, from where we come from so nobody can be realy sure
we still looking for the missing link.

ho i'm sorry i did not see it was a debate you can earase what i wrote sorry sorry

My only thoughts on the whole Reptilian subject are that we as bipedal mammals have a reptilian brain. I'm not saying it was given to us by some alien race. Personally I believe that to be poppycock seeing as we have a record of other humanoids living on this planet some at the same time as the homo-sapien.

We could easily have a reptilian brain because we evolved from reptiles. There would still be traits reminiscent of that. For all those creationists out there, combine evolution with creationism and what happens? You get the exact same effect. Maybe we where created to evolve.

Anyway if our reptilian brains are capable of intelligent thought then a reptile with a reptilian brain could easily be capable of the same.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by DaMod]

I like the irony here people, Lets hope for all our sakes they are just a myth created as an illusion to hide the real goings on.

Great debate as usual the good ones get shot down

reply to post by NephraTari


Why aren't reptilian discussions allowed in this forum? Where are they allowed? What if the reptilians discussed are aliens and not terrestrial. Just curious.

FAIL FAIL FAIL, FAIL, FAOIL.

Undo and TheMythLives,
I was looking forward to this. I'm really sorry your debate got flooded with all these people NOT EVEN READING the whole OP. Guys, we were supposed to stay out of it...

This debate has gone off the rails but it's an interesting social experiment, it just proves how many people run their mouths before reading a whole thread. Cogitate before you Bloviate

I suggest:

1) Either do the debate in private over email and then post it as an ebook.
2) Ask one of the better moderators to step in and enforce the rules
3) Ask the mods at the debate forum to loosen the rules a bit.

4) If none of those things work, post your request in big letters.

Idea: We really need a 'head-to-head' forum, where people can debate without the restrictive structure

Peace on Earth

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You can find the answers in this thread which used to be sticky at the top of this forum. Thread Link