22,000 “Green” Jobs Outsourced to India

Barack Obama and his green guru, Van Jones, have a green-collar job plan that they believe will solve the two biggest crises of our time: 5 million new green-collar jobs will directly stimulate the economy and will contribute to a more sustainable future in the face of coming climate change. But the 2009 Green Outsourcing Report, an annual industry study conducted by Brown-Wilson Group, found that green technology jobs are being created faster in India than in the US since Obama took office.

The report, which was released two weeks ago, surveyed 4,000 businesses around the world, including Xerox, Accenture, IBM Global, CSC, Capgemini, Oracle, HP/ ED S, Aramark, SITEL and Perot. Doug Brown, co-author of the Green Outsourcing Report, told The New Indian Express, “We see the (green job offshoring) trend increasing. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms.”

Well that's interesting isn't it?

So much for creating green jobs for the US, then again I guess India needs the money and jobs more right?

Full article here

Surprisingly, just a year ago, India was remarked to be among the world’s highest polluting nations and suffering from offshore aversion and reverse outsourcing.

Funny how quick things can change when we need cheap labor huh?

What say you ATS?

~Keeper

This is such crap... When will America learn to keep jobs here? Jesus H. I mean its in the companies best interest to keep jobs here. If you don't have jobs for the people, then they don't spend money. It's a downward spiral that has contributed to our current crises.

God we need to start over from scratch. I think the current system is past saving.

It most certainly is not worth saving, and un-savable. It has to be dismantled and destroyed .

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Ad this to Chrysler taking jobs to Mexico (after the bailout of course) and
it shows how much people want to do business in the US.

Dont be surprised in 30 years if Africa is sending money to 3rd world country

the US

It will never be about American Citizens or American jobs. That's because what is good for us is not good for the politicians.
If we got rid of financial incentives for businesses to outsource to other countries then the lobbyists wouldn't be giving all of that money to our senators and representatives. How can we expect our legislative branch to go against the needs of the population indefinitely if they are not getting rich by doing it?
Get with the program guys.

OK that's IT!!!!

Why don't we just start "Outsourcing" The Presidency and the National Debt?

We outsource everything else including my last job that I did for the previous 8 years.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
OK that's IT!!!!

Why don't we just start "Outsourcing" The Presidency and the National Debt?

We outsource everything else including my last job that I did for the previous 8 years.

LOL Outsource the Presidency. With all due respect, Have you been living under a rock? That's what we did! We outsourced the Presidency.

I guess that I'm the only mofo in entire world that thought Obama going to Europe and giving speeches and essentially campaigning for President there last summer was outrageous.

We have the Patriot Act in full force here in America and it damn straight applies to Gov't investigating Gov't officials (ref. Gov Blago.)

Obama goes to Europe where he can get some secure scrambled phones so he can call his buds in other countries without fear from Patriot Act.

And what the hell was a Senator doing making freakin speeches in Europe anyhow?!! OMG... Am I the only mofo that sees that as entirely out of line?

Obama, go take a vacation there before running for President but making speeches, as a Senator??

My job prototyping computers was outsourced in the mid 90's; My tech support positions (as I moved from job to job) were outsourced like dominoes falling over the last 10 years. Holy Cow, Apu!

Would you like fries with that?

Why is any of this a surprise? The people that run the world and pull the strings here in America and in other countries want a one world government and one world economy. Washington and Obama could give two #s about the American people. Hell if it was up to them the world would be divided into the haves and the have nots. And there would be a hell of a lot of have nots in their NWO perspective.

Americans need to wake up that's for sure...........and it will only happen at the barrel of a gun unfortunately. You hit a man in his pocket book and usually he responds. Americans have been hit in their pocket book and they are still asleep. What's next for them/us? Awaken during our sleep at the end of a M16?

When will you realise that neither the government, nor private businesses owe you anything.

If your job has been sent to India, it's because someone there can do it better, at a lower cost. And they don't bitch about being the exploited proletariat.

You can complain all you want, and you can stump for protectionism as much as you like... but unless you move into a career that requires you to use your mind in an innovative capacity, some Indian or another is always going to take your job.

Protect yourself with an education, rather than demanding government intervention while extrapolating a Simpsons character to 1/6th of the human species.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by 44soulslayer]

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Makes you sick doesn't it!
The Green movement is yet another bogus faction whom only real interest is to suck us dry. Ever been to India?
One of the most polluted places I've ever been!

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
When will you realise that neither the government, nor private businesses owe you anything.

If your job has been sent to India, it's because someone there can do it better, at a lower cost. And they don't bitch about being the exploited proletariat.

You can complain all you want, and you can stump for protectionism as much as you like... but unless you move into a career that requires you to use your mind in an innovative capacity, some Indian or another is always going to take your job.

Protect yourself with an education, rather than demanding government intervention while extrapolating a Simpsons character to 1/6th of the human species.

[edit on 11-5-2009 by 44soulslayer]

So your ridiculous argument is that outsourcing is occurring due to American's lack of education and personal drive? Oh brother you are either very young or very clueless. I'm thinking the latter. The only thing you are spot on about is that Indians will do it at a lower cost. Better is definitely subjective buddy. I bet you think all Mexicans who work for peanuts are amazing craftsman who's construction work rivals every American? as well? Let me show you my basement guy! LMAO! You're a tool who completely white washes a very complex problem that is bigger than your feeble mind can comprehend.

I pray that you don't have kids and send them to college because an "education" and college degree doesn't mean #. Hell NOTHING means # when the guy next to you will work for peanuts and work in squalor and filth.

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Education and innovation aren't the same thing. You can have a degree in English Lit... but is that going to help you to innovate something?

Look at the industries which are dominated by the West... Pharmaceuticals, defence, engineering and technology. These jobs cannot be outsourced, because the "value added" by the job is exponential. You can't outsource the invention of new drugs, not the design of a new car to India. If you want a steady job, get into one of these sectors.

You can outsource tech support, call centre work, backend office work etc, because these are menial and can be done by anyone.

Are you insinuating that all Mexicans are universally inferior to Americans when it comes to work? Just look at the manner in which you put forth your argument... base and crude at best. You think you're so much better than the foreigner who takes your job, yet your comprehension of the subject is infantile. If you can't stand the competition just admit it and ask for labour protectionism, rather than claiming that Americans are universally superior to all other nationalities.

To be honest what you are seeing is the beginning of the shift of power from North America to Asia. China and India are going to be the new superpowers of the 21st century. We in the UK aren't coping with it all that well... a few of us have real innovations based jobs, but the vast majority are going to be in trouble. If the USA doesn't take heed, you will follow the same path... your dollar hegemony and money printing will only protect you to a certain extent.

reply to post by 44soulslayer


Outsourcing is due to corporate greed; and nothing else. The free trade aggreement, was nothing more than governments deciding how much they were going to screw the very people that vote them in; for the dollar.
Greed will be there undoing- we are all greedy; but these guys flew way over the line, with of coarse a good helping hand from our Govts.
Anyway Government/Corporatedom we are talking about the same thing; thats the deception of Democracy:
DEMOCRACY IS COMMUNISM, YOU ONLY THINK YOU HAVE A CHOICE!!!

reply to post by tothetenthpower


what is the problem with you , people , you hate orientals like indians, chinese and saudis huh?

one of your stupid threads that condemns saudi Arabia and now you condemn India ??

mind it many indians are hard working and innovative , no wonders they are taking your jobs away , your education is stupid , dumbed down , and just concerned with sex ... vif americans are lazy, uneducated,gullible, stupid and behave like a bunch of barbarians , with an entitlement mentality . frankly, its not our problem that corporates should suffer for the stupidities of the american sheeple . frankly the american sheeple should bear the consequences .

reply to post by 44soulslayer


I wholley agree with you , sir .

You can't outsource the invention of new drugs, not the design of a new car to India. If you want a steady job, get into one of these sectors.

I cannot agree on this ,it is possible , it is done in the defence sector , the US military has outsourced software development for F-22 to a indian firm
similiarly , Mig-35 , chip processors development and integration was outsourced by mig corp to an italian firm

reply to post by Kombatt98


Well.. what he meant was that you cant outsource those jobs IF you are good at them..

If there is anyone else that can do it better and faster they will be outsourced..

What he meant was that innovation is not something that can be changed for "lower cost"..

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Barack Obama and his green guru, Van Jones, have a green-collar job plan that they believe will solve the two biggest crises of our time:

. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms.”

So much for creating green jobs for the US, then again I guess India needs the money and jobs more right?

India can be allowed to develop green-tech,
And be less hindered in their efforts because of less stringent environmental regulations there in India,

but installing these green technologies, such as solar panels, on the American homes can only be accomplished with home-grown installers, i.e. retrained American workers

this same model works in many off-shore operations,
green technology is not exclusive to the USA borders from concept to end-product to marketing & installation...

there's many links that make up a Chain...

imho

reply to post by Kombatt98


Yup, Picao84 clarified it well.

I meant that the brains behind the design in those industries are still Brits/ Americans.

There's a reason why India will never be able to touch German engineering jobs... its because their quality of design and execution is so high.

Sure, some aspects such as software etc may be outsourced (since India is a giant in computing), but the conceptual stages have yet to be outsourced.

The only sure way to job security is to become an innovator, within whatever field you specialise in. In the future if you're not an innovator, you will be a menial worker. The days of the "middle man" are limited.

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Yes you are right my friend, but with a nation that his unemployment rates is at an 8.9 with a 25 year high since the great depression and in the last two years over 5 million jobs lost, without counting the illegal work force that will add 2 more millions, how in the world Americans will be able to afford the solar panels build in India or another "developing country", sorry to say this but if we have not jobs we can not afford the technology not matter from where is coming from.

Does that sounds right to you? After all we are a nation that our credit lines has been cut short.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer
When will you realise that neither the government, nor private businesses owe you anything.

If your job has been sent to India, it's because someone there can do it better, at a lower cost. And they don't bitch about being the exploited proletariat.

Yeah right.

Well at least you're half right. They can do it cheaper. Have you ever had to deal with Tech support from India yet? As far as not bitching just wait until some place else is found that can do it even cheaper and the rug is pulled out from beneath their feet. There will be a lot of bitching then.