9/11 FLIR Infrared Camera proves NIST and 9/11 Commission Lies

I'm not a debunker by far..i do beleive that was something shady done..BUT i know construction and steel...Having been around it everyday for 12 years..

simple question..Even if all of those columns could be reached,as most stuctual columns are behind massive amounts of concrete,sheetrock,what ever..if they were infact cut with thermite,dont you think that after 100 storys falling on them,wouldnt they be packed full of debris??

Originally posted by thedman

The "reference samples" came from razor clippings, skin cells recovered from cars driven by hijackers

Don't you watch CSI?

Oh come on - since WHEN was the FBI or (any other govt authority for that matter) really interested in investigating 9/11? You really are grasping at straws with this rubbish.

The link you referenced also claims bodies of the hijackers were found from which they took DNA. Bodies? Thats interesting, because a fireman at the site claims the biggest thing they found intact was a piece of a telephone keypad:

"You have two 110 story office buildings.
You don't find a desk.
You don't find a chair.
You don't find a telephone, a computer.
The biggest piece of a telephone I found was half of a keypad,
and it was about this big:
(makes a shape with his hand about 4 inches in diameter)
The building collapsed to dust.

911research.wtc7.net...

Yet you claim they found not only bodies but that

A. They could identify them
and
B. They could readily identify them as being the hijackers??

Even if we dismiss all this evidence and accept your ridiculous claim you still have one BIG major problem -

The hijackers are still ALIVE. Thats right. Alive and well. And not only that but one hijacker in particular, NAMED in the link that YOU supplied claiming they took DNA evidence from, namely - Salem al Hazmi whatreallyhappened.com...

Perhaps you should write to him and tell him he's supposed to be dead? Perhaps you could also ask him how they managed to take DNA from his dead body on 9/11 while your at it?



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reply to post by Redpillblues

Normally,that would prob. be the case,all open spaces jammed full of solids.Only here,since there were explosive/micro thermate charges,heard as explosions,all the concrete was pulverized to micro sized dust and acted more like a high pressure liquid.The little iron balls left from the thremate reaction added to that effect being round,dense and hot.

reply to post by trueforger


so your saying that when those columns where cut it was expelling gasses out of the columns for however long the towers fell to keep any debris out of them??have you ever seen a thermite charge go off??

look at this pic and rethink my question..www.911truth.dk...

reply to post by spy66


The Passaic County Sheriff's Department (in New Jersey about 15 miles
from NYC) sent numerous members of their SERT team to assist in
searching the rubble of the WTC site for victims

The SERT is the special tactial unit of which is the the bomb squad which
reached the site for 2 weeks. No trace of any explosives or demolition
were found by them

You have experienced bomb squad members crawling over the site and
cant find anything from demolitions ?

I know the tin foliers will claim that they were all "bought off" or threatened
into silence as part of coveraup....

Originally posted by X_Brap_X
to suggest 9/11 was an inside job is incredibly insulting to most people including myself.

It was insulting to me as well...that is until I woke up and realized they are far too many holes in the Government's story to hold water. Bldng 7 is all you have to look at, and the truth is revealed. There is no way that building should have the collapsed in a controlled demo fashion because of falling debris and some internal fires burning. It just doesn't make sense...

Originally posted by peponastick

Originally posted by X_Brap_X
to suggest 9/11 was an inside job is incredibly insulting to most people including myself.

It was insulting to me as well...that is until I woke up and realized they are far too many holes in the Government's story to hold water. Bldng 7 is all you have to look at, and the truth is revealed. There is no way that building should have the collapsed in a controlled demo fashion because of falling debris and some internal fires burning. It just doesn't make sense...

Bingo. Same here. When I first got into researching 9/11 I thought all the people even suggesting such a thing were absolute crackpots. Nutballs. Idiots. Morons. But I kept reading. And I ended up getting sick to my stomach when I realized that these evil people will go to extreme lengths to get what they want, even killing our own people. Further confirmation of this from the Northwoods documents and Gulf of Tonkin incident just reaffirmed my suspicions. So by now, some 5 to 6 years in, it is difficult to have patience with people that are too lazy to do their own research and see it for themselves.

reply to post by thedman

So what were they supposed to find?Computers,wires,nao thermate?You think the DOD doesn't have folks in both departments?And,that the cutting edge stuff (with top secret classifications bought and paid for from multi million budgets of our money!) don't have a self destruct component?It's like comparing caseless ammo to brass.

reply to post by trueforger


Even a self destruct mechanism leaves remains. Unless you are talking about using the still classified anti-matter destruction protocol.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

What do you have to say about the topic?Do you still question the chain of custody or any other issue related?The fire was shown to not be hot enough to do the melt or the sag or the pulverization of the one tower at issue here.A lie detector would winnow the chaff from the wheat,no?

Time will tell. We must stick to the long view and plan accordingly...

It is, quite simply, a shame that there aren't enough people to come forward with their knowledge and experience and wintess statements who would also be willing to testify...

It's tough enough to believe in every story you hear, tougher still to listen to something that you know COULD be true but have no valid and/or credible source to reference.

What makes conspiracies so believable are the "glittering generalities": those general statements that are written in such a way to make them seem true without and valid reference behind it. Sure, direct observation of the material we have all seen at one poin or another can lead us all to the smae conclusions. But without a valid and credible witness, nothing would stand in court.

Its too bad really...we pride ourselves in a very detailed legal system and, at the same time it is the very thing that prevents us from looking good in the eyes of other nations - the world, even.

Follow me here:

We all "know" that airplanes could not possibly have made the towers collapse in the fashion that they did. A high school freshman in a physics class could tell you that - it's basic stuff. We "know" that a 757 did not crash into the Pentagon (exactly what did is anybody's guess). To be sure, it was an aircraft with wings. After that, no one can agree or the ones that can agree aren't talking. But what EVERYONE knows (around the world) is what was played out over and over and over again on television and indeed, across the global internet. How many people believed it at first look or dibelieved it by the third look is irrelevant. The point is that everyone watched and made their opinion right then to believe or be suspicious.

The point is this:

Without someONE credible to validate the info of what we BELIEVE to be true (as opposed to what we are being TOLD is true), speculation is about all we can come up with.

If you know someone who has first hand experience or is able to use working knowledge to disprove anything about the twin towers or the pentagon, you should encourage them to stand up and be counted. Indeed if enough stand together, there will be no counting, THEY will be too afraid and will bow down.

We must unite...


Peace

wow...that's the last time i don't preview...spell checker dude..use it! LOL

reply to post by trueforger


I still question the photos and their origins. The video, is full of the same falsehoods and misleading statements that have run rampant in the last eight years.

Did you notice that the narrator contradicted himself in the video? I will let you figure out where and how....

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by trueforger

 

I still question the photos and their origins.

Oh, the great SwampFox couldn't take 5 minutes and give the lady a call to verify she took them, eh? I gave you the number, and listed her info back on page 3.

Instead how about questioning why the 911 OMISSION conveniently left them out of the report, along with so many other omissions???? Oh nooooooooooooooo, Swamp would never question THAT. How about this SwampFox: I still question you and YOUR origins. She is real and so are those pictures. Proven fact. Page 3. Take a look.

here: I'll even make it easy for you:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on Tue May 12th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed, I gave up skimming thru after four pages when I decided I probably ought to look at the Youtube video in the first post.
So then the thermograms....Taken from a Flir camera similar to the unit I use as part of my job.

The results cannot be relied on because the emmissivity and TRef figures are not set correctly.

This means basically that the temperatures indicated can be considerably inaccurate.

(edit to add) Oh and I didn't bother watching the rest of the video I'd seen enough by 55 seconds in.

[edit on 12-5-2009 by SN4FU]

reply to post by Redpillblues


I'm saying that in a usual collapse the(gravity) energy would have not been enough to reduce the concrete into such tiny particles as happened here.I'm postulating that explosives were used which generated much more energy and finer particles to blow it much further away.(I bet a lot of the purported jumpers were standing at the gaps and windows and were blown out to their deaths.)Remember the buildings fell at free fall speed which means all the energy of gravity was accounted for,so where did all the energy come from to powder the concrete?Especially where the FLIR showed a quantified reading of low heat.And yes,as a pyromaniac I have burned steel with home mixed thermate.In my youth.They woulden't let us have firecrackers,what's a boy to do?

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
reply to post by Taxi-Driver

 

Hey Taxi-Driver I just went to your profile and noticed the only thread you post in is the 911 conspiracy. All of it for debunking only. Why is that? Why are you here? Who sent you?

What exactly is your agenda? :shk:

I read, post, and have posted in many different forums while on ATS.

If this forum's motto is actually true, then I expect both sides of an issue would not only be allowed, but welcomed and encouraged. DENY IGNORANCE.

2,974 people died that day, 343 of them firefighters and the world changed forever because of it and you just toe the government line.

I don't tow the government line. Take all Federal Government agencies out of the mix. I don't care.

I refuse to tow the Theirry Masson, Eric Hufschmid, Carol Valentine, Stephen Jones, Alex Jones line. As these are your 9/11 conspiracy creators.

Why The F would I believe those guys over The Boston PD, NYPD, FDNY, Port Authority, Newark PD, Portland PD, American Airlines, United Airlines, NYC Ironworkers, County Coroners, EMT's and countless other small local law enforcement, medical, county Sheriff's departments.

I worked as a Deputy within my own county Sheriff's department for a decade. ( As you well know... as we have discussed this everytime you play the FD card)

I can tell you there is NO WAY that all of these people were "Paid-off" or threatened into compliance.

I believe what they have to say, as you would probably believe what a FDNY survivor would have to say to you about the events of that day.

But a freaking French radical, peddling a book to a socialist society? (Theirry Masson)

Why would you believe that dood over one of your brothers.. EVER?

As a Firefighter I find this very disgusting.

Your service and dedication should be commended. Think about why you are disgusted, and where that feeling originated.

posted by thedman
reply to post by spy66

 

The "reference samples" came from razor clippings, skin cells recovered from cars driven by hijackers

Also process of elimination - after screening out results of DNA matches
from samples provided by family members what was left was that of
hijackers

Don't you realize how ridiculous that is? Did these CIA actors with stolen identities buy or lease their cars brand new? The FBI won't even correct the wrong identities. How could they possibly have the correct samples? Were they the only people who ever inhabited their hotel/motel rooms? Ludicrous. Did the Mossad provide sampling from their own? No? The Bush Regime faked the DNA sampling. They faked the DNA at the Pentagon too.

Process of elimination in the towers? That is hilarious. Thousands of tenants and firemen died in the towers. Since both towers were pulverized, there were no records of people visiting. The bodies were pulverized too, and the dust drifted all over the city. Some of the dust went into the rivers. How did they sift the dust scattered over multiple square miles of area? What about all the skin cells and DNA of millions of New Yorkers from decades of living in New York and hundreds of thousands of visitors? Process of elimination? They were hauling in dirt to cover up evidence. Maybe there were more DNA samples in that dirt too.

Over 300 bone fragments were found on top of a building (Deutsche Bank Building at 130 Liberty Street) almost 5 years later. Were those the hijackers or somebody else? Flight 175 flew over the Deutsche Bank Building before it smashed into the South Tower. Maybe the hijackers bailed out on top of the Deutsche Bank Building.

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reply to post by SPreston


Yeah. I mean, If an airliner can crash into the Pentagon going at least a couple hundred miles an hour and nothing remains, you aren't going to find anyone or any piece of anyone to test. Especially since most of the contents would have been incinerated anyway and since almost nothing came out the other side.. Any fuel fire would have destroyed any biological evidence that could have possibly remained. Especially since the wreckage would have been more or less isolated to the part of the building being incinerated by jet fuel.

What I've always wondered about with the Pentagon has to do with photographs of the wreckage (what few there are). This aspect is also highly suspicous. Some have said that the wreckage didn't even belong to an airliner. But that would be consistent with everything we do know.

-We have no clear video evidence of what crashed into the Pentagon.
-What evidence does exist was lied about by the government after an FOIA request was submitted requesting this video footage (Doesn't make sense).
-The only video evidence that has been made public was leaked by the government only after they were caught in their own obvious lie.
-Whatever wreckage did remain was immediately confiscated, removed, and/or covered up with a fresh layer of soil right after the attack took place.
-You mean to tell me that only 2 or 3 cameras are watching the Pentagon at any one time? This is one of the most secure buildings in the country. It has been rumored that 80 some-odd cameras are watching the Pentagon at any one time. Where are THOSE videos?

All pretty bizarre when you add in the fact that no aircraft debris, parts, or wreckage has ever been verfied as coming from the aircraft we have been told they have because all the wreckage is still classified and/or in federal custody somewhere (If it hasn't just been destroyed or "lost"). This should've been established already via the 9/11 commission report. But it's Just another detail they decided to leave out for unknown reasons..

-ChriS

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