Germany to Outlaw Paintball

reply to post by dainoyfb


That is what I suspect, because I know that because of paintball I am way better off in a real gunfight.

Paintball is a real gunfight, just with guns that won't hurt you . It is seriously good training for those that wonder what a gunfight is like, paintball is it minus the getting killed and killing people part.

Originally posted by downtown436
Paintball is a real gunfight, just with guns that won't hurt you . It is seriously good training for those that wonder what a gunfight is like, paintball is it minus the getting killed and killing people part.

And lower accuracy and having your vision fog up.

Whilst it is very bad about the girl who got blinded in one eye shooting someone with a paintball in the street in the face whilst they are not wearing protective gogles is not the same as playing it legitemetly. Pitching a baseball in the context of a baseball game is Ok where as walking upto someone in the street and lobing one fullpelt in someone face from pointblank range is a serious assult. In my home time a guy got blinded in one eye because some idiots threw an egg at him from a moving car people should think more carefully about what they are doing!

Thus hunting games like paintball and Laserdrome are to be prohibited and breaches against it are to be punished by a fine up to 5000 €. In paintball, also known as “ Gotcha”, the players hunt each other with paint balls and in Laserdrome they hunt with laser pistols. “Thereby killing is simulated”, reasoned the acting/assistant/representative chairman of the Union faction Wolfgang Bosbach (CDU) the planned interdiction (to the “Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung”).

Does this mean that "tag" games such as "IT" will be banned? Not sure if the name is recognised elsewhere, but is takes various forms and involves kids running after each other to "tag" them to make them "IT". The chasing and tagging could be seen as a hunting game and when players are disqualified after being tagged that could be seen as "simulated killing".

Fear "IT"... it is a sure sign that the kids will become murderers.

Originally posted by SugarCube
Does this mean that "tag" games such as "IT" will be banned? Not sure if the name is recognised elsewhere, but is takes various forms and involves kids running after each other to "tag" them to make them "IT". The chasing and tagging could be seen as a hunting game and when players are disqualified after being tagged that could be seen as "simulated killing".

Fear "IT"... it is a sure sign that the kids will become murderers.

As stupid as it may sound, some schools have already banned 'tag' (or 'tig' as it's known here) as well as many other things children should be doing. My mother is a primary school principle, and at her school, kids aren't allowed to climb trees because they may break something - is it just me or are parents today far too soft and smothering of children. A broken arm or leg, while is painful is not the end of the fkn world.

However I don't see 'tag' being banned because it simulates killing.

[edit on 9-5-2009 by Welfhard]

Up next: Germany to ban toy guns, sticks that looks like guns, making your hand in the shape of a gun.

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooooooooooooooom.

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by dainoyfb

 

That is what I suspect, because I know that because of paintball I am way better off in a real gunfight.

Paintball is a real gunfight, just with guns that won't hurt you . It is seriously good training for those that wonder what a gunfight is like, paintball is it minus the getting killed and killing people part.

Yeah because real bullets travel at 300 FPS and in a real gun fight I'm sure you'd go try to bunker someone. Trust me if you're actually thinking like, you'd get your head blown off. The two are nothing alike. But keep thinking that tough guy.

reply to post by Welfhard


Thanks for providing a translation.

To add one minor detail: The current Government is made up of a coalition of the two big parties (SPD - Social Democrat and CDU - Christian Democrat)...both of which approve of the ban.

reply to post by Skyfloating


There is more coming.

Yes it certainly doesn't look good for both paintball enthusiasts or reason. I'd hate to say it but, someone is being Fun-Nazis.

Is that distasteful? I dunno.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

and you seriously think that outlawing Americans from owning real guns is less important than outlawing paintball?

Real guns have been all but outlawed in most of Europe. Hardly anyone who owns a real gun. This news item demonstrates what the next step is after that

reply to post by Skyfloating


'cept for Switzerland maybe. They're pretty gun happy.

Thank god i live in America, where at least we still have the illusion of freedom and a constitution that i believe will eventually be reclaimed by the people...

besides, they can pry my tippman a-5 from my cold, dead hands.

reply to post by Welfhard


except for Switzerland of course, which probably has the most guns per household worldwide.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I would love to live in Switzerland some day. And Holland some other day - though there is along story in that which completely irrelevant.

reply to post by Skyfloating

WHOA no I think you have a biased view of Europe!! Id venture the majority of Scandinavians families I know own a gun. Not what you Americans are thinking, like an M16 and garbage like that - but like hunting rifles or shotguns. Composite bows too. Its not a gun-culture like America, but more traditional, like hunting, collecting, and heirlooms. Ive not known a Finn without one!

Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic

Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by dainoyfb

 

That is what I suspect, because I know that because of paintball I am way better off in a real gunfight.

Paintball is a real gunfight, just with guns that won't hurt you . It is seriously good training for those that wonder what a gunfight is like, paintball is it minus the getting killed and killing people part.

Yeah because real bullets travel at 300 FPS and in a real gun fight I'm sure you'd go try to bunker someone. Trust me if you're actually thinking like, you'd get your head blown off. The two are nothing alike. But keep thinking that tough guy.

Not to mention trees and shrubbery dont stop bullets... neither thin wooden walls... foggy goggles... subcompact weapons... 100+ round magazines... but its justlike the real thing... right? right? like a video game...

paint ball weapons have several catipulting capibilites - that yea, could aid in lethal and non-lethal self protection. well dmc denver, they used paintball funs with pepper ball loads. - I heard complaints they froze a few just to hurt people. like a rubber bullet or worse brusing.

Serious eye injuries, including blindness, are the primary catastrophic injury from paintball, a sport played by approximately 6 million people from age 10 to over 70, with the bulk of the players from age 12 to 34.

Blinding eye injuries can occur, and these incidents occur largely (a) when a person in an area where paintball is being played fails to wear or removes his or her paintball goggles, particularly in unsupervised situations, or fails to wear proper eye protection, and (b) in criminal assault circumstances outside the sport, such as in a drive-by assault shooting. Please note that existing criminal laws are readily applied to those who misuse paintball markers, as in a drive-by shooting, with felony assault being among the crimes that can be charged."
eye injury"

"The injuries were often quite severe:

rupture of the eyeball in 28 per cent of patients
detached retina in 19 per cent
surgery was required in 81 per cent of patients
removal of the eye (enucleation) in 22 per cent"

serious eye injuries

"Ear Injury:
A paintball in the ear is about as scary and devastating as one to the eye. Permanent and partial deafness has occurred with these types of injuries. It is also extremely painful if a paintball pellet becomes lodged in the ear causing a rupture to the eardrum and other internal damage. It is important to remember that paintball pellets are shot with significant force and the ear is the perfect size for a paintball to make its way into. In many cases, paintball injuries to the ear have also rendered players unconscious and with a concussion."

Throat Injury:
"Although most players of paintball wear masks and gloves, they often fail to protect their throat and neck which can be very dangerous. With enough force and at close range, a paintball could crush your trachea and prevent you from breathing. Other parts of the neck are also susceptible to injury if not protected. Yet, the neck and throat usually remain the only part of exposed skin and one of the most painful areas of the body to take a hit."

Death:
These people were killed when a CO2 cylinder
unintentionally disengaged from the paintball gun

Paintball dangers

****You violent types are a worry. Exactly what is it about you that makes you think that it is fun to play at killing??????????????????????
Kill, kill, kill.....and you think wars will ever end?

When it is you who loses and eye, is the game still worth it?
How about your son losing an eye...after all you thought it was such a safe game? And it is rated for safety.... A game of killing non-the-less.
Why don't you just go for the real thing and join the Army and request service in the war zones?

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I have a sad story, and it's completely true.

A good friend of mine was playing painball with some of her friends, maybe 5 or 6 years ago. They were playing paintball with her father. He was hit with a paintball, it triggered a heart attack, and he died. He was in his mid 40s.

So... I know it's "fun"... but... it can be dangerous.

I think what was probably hardest on him was the stress of not getting shot and the physical endurance it requires to be tense yet ready to aim all the time.....it's kinda like wrestling....well, for me i never really respected it until i realized how hard you have to be and if you "unflex" for a second it could cost you your life/the flag/a tap.

Good News in the Current News: Government retracts their intention to ban paintball..."for now" over too much opposition. Instead they plan to impose age restrictions on playing (which is reasonable imo).

Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic


Yeah because real bullets travel at 300 FPS and in a real gun fight I'm sure you'd go try to bunker someone. Trust me if you're actually thinking like, you'd get your head blown off. The two are nothing alike. But keep thinking that tough guy.

It's as close as you are going to get without being in a 'real' gun fight. During my time in the military, myself and friends would go out and paintball. If you got marked, you were 'dead' and out. We got good at evasion tactics, and squad tactics. We'd often paintball with army, and learn their tactics. It served us well. Also, during that time we participated in exercises where we wore laser detectors, and had laser emitters mounted on our weapons. Think of it as military grade laser tag. The marker for those traveled way faster than a real bullet would, but the military saw it as a valid training tool. Whether it's 300fps, or light speed, as long as it is treated as a real situation, the training is valid. Oh, I'm sure there are people that do it 'just for fun', but for us it never was 'just for fun'. Either way, it was a hell of a lot safer than using real firearms with real bullets for training.