Unexplained Mysteries On The Moon And Mars! An Alien Connection?

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Alright thanks, I remember seeing a thread on ATS about it, I just thought I would bring it back up here, as you know threads quickly get lost in the "ATS BLACK HOLE".

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Absolutely. There is nothing wrong with rehashing a thread after it has languished for awhile. It allows the "newbies" to be able to participate in the discussion without having to read 50 pages first.

If i could find that image of the rover wheel spinning in the mud...

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Here we go:






If this isn't water, i will eat my 3 year old houseshoe (without a glass of water):




And another:







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Exactly, I remember the grandness of this site when I was new (I still kinda' am, although I like to think I have "dug in" well enough )

Search hard enough and you can find it, hell I will help too, give me a second. LOL, as I am waiting for more stonewalling emails from NASA,USAF, and US Army on that topic I told you I was researching.........(shhhhh, no previews,lol) although I have enlisted some outside help...

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I quickly found this, although this is newer news it can help support Pegasus’s theory…..

PROVIDENCE — Mars, the cold desiccated world known as the Red Planet, appears to have had water flowing across its surface much more recently than scientists had believed.

Brown University researchers have identified a formation showing repeated deposits of sediment that seem to have been deposited by flowing water. The oldest deposit is just 1.25 million years old.

“That is very young for Mars,” said Samuel Schon, a Brown graduate student who authored the new study published yesterday in the journal Geology. “This is showing we’ve had transient liquid water appearing recently.”

www.projo.com...


Image courtesy of projo.com

And this is just what they are telling us!!

Is this it??? You won’t believe were I found it at! Try NASAs website!! They even said they know some people will say it looks like it was in mud!!

Image courtesy of nasa.gov

Here is NASAs explanation…

Spirit drove down off Home Plate on Jan. 6, 2009. It subsequently checked whether a patch of nearby soil, called "Stapledon," had a high concentration of silica, like a silica-rich patch of soil Spirit discovered east of Home Plate in 2007. The earlier discovery was interpreted as evidence left by a hot-spring or steam-vent environment. Examination with Spirit's alpha particle X-ray spectrometer confirmed silica at Stapledon. This indicates that the environment that deposited the silica was not limited to the location found earlier.

nasa.gov

Is that what they think or do they know more and not telling us?? I would like to know what others say, I will definitely have to research this more. Thanx for bringing it up BFFT!


EDIT to add: You beat me to it!

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Oh yea, that is mud, I am sorry it will take A LOT to convince me otherwise...BTW, have you seen the image I found before? That comes from NASA.

If this isn't water, i will eat my 3 year old houseshoe (without a glass of water):

I seriously doubt that's water, unless it defy the physical laws of gravity. It looks crater shaped with ripples, ie just smooth sand. We might be talking something that's been wet (when whatever that made the crater hit), but then dried when exposed to atmosphere. The real question however is, what would it take to make you eat your 3 year old houseshoe?

I will not deny that the track photo look like mud though.

Originally posted by Exuberant1
-Note how many debunkers repeatedly utilize in their arguments the images of craters other than those we have identified as possibly having domes - The latest one who tried to use Victoria Crater is a prime example of this tactic in use. Do not take the bait.

Cheers!!

Though they may not be paid for debunking per se, a self styled debunker is supposed to be debunking!!

Like that Victoria Crater image being used as an example that 'domes' on Mars are all optical illusions! Like comparing apples and oranges! Jeeez!

And talking of illusions, probably Mars is one big optical illusion too! It's nothing but a holographic projection produced by the Illuminati or Bilderbergs! Didn't you know??

And here's another 'optical illusion'! This looks like a 'tube', but is actually flat! Nothing to see here! Move on!



Cheers!

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Originally posted by merka

I seriously doubt that's water, unless it defy the physical laws of gravity.

Perhaps this is why the rover did not continue on its path after encountering the 'puddle' - which was wet.

The rover's muddyy tracks leading up to the puddle and away from it further substantiate and corroborate the idea that there is water in this image.

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Originally posted by mikesingh
Like that Victoria Crater image being used as an example that 'domes' on Mars are all optical illusions! Like comparing apples and oranges! Jeeez!

But both apples and oranges in sand will create the same looking dome!

So those muddy tracks leading up to the puddle and away from it further substantiate and corroborate the idea that there is water in this image.

No they dont. Mud does not equal water laying in a pool at the surface. Quite the contrary, it shows that you need to dig to get to water, or the rover would be standing wheel deep in an ocean. How old is that crater? Unless its like 5 minutes old, any possible water would have dried up long ago.

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Those tracks ain't the same thing! The image I posted CLEARLY shows the tracks following the terrain configuration. What shows up in the image you posted CLEARLY show the 'tracks' NOT following the terrain config! So it's not the same thing!

Cheers!

Originally posted by merka

Originally posted by mikesingh
Like that Victoria Crater image being used as an example that 'domes' on Mars are all optical illusions! Like comparing apples and oranges! Jeeez!

But both apples and oranges in sand will create the same looking dome!

Oh darn!! I didn't think of that!!

Originally posted by ArMaP
Also, and although I can not find information about it, I suppose Lunar Orbiter was taking photos perpendicularly to the ground, so a tower would be seen just as the top, not as a long structure.

Nope! This one was not a vertical photograph at all, but an oblique one! Here are the details:

Corrected Resolution (meters) - 3.1
Altitude (km) - 217.2
Incidence Angle - 81
Emission Angle - 6

And therefore, the tower looks exactly at it should according to the angle mentioned.

Cheers!

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For solid hematite spheroids, those blueberries appear to smush easily in those last images you posted. They are like soft clay under the wheels of the rover.

Perhaps some of them are not made out of hematite, but of something squishier that is just evolved to look like the blueberries that coat the martian surface.

*I'd go with a fungal sheath in symbioses with other species that live under the sheath.

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Thank you

I will try to check it out if I find that / those threads then.

Originally posted by jkrog08
Lets look at the “lakes: on the red planet…

Yep! This one I posted in some long forgotten thread of mine. Don't remember where! Does Mars really look like this......



It probably does!

Cheers!

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

If this isn't water, i will eat my 3 year old houseshoe (without a glass of water).

Naaah! You needn't do that! :shk: Read on....

WASHINGTON (AFP) Sep 30, 2008 — In an unprecedented discovery, NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has found snow falling from clouds on Mars, scientists said Tuesday.

A laser instrument collecting data on how the atmosphere and surface interact on Mars detected snow from clouds about four kilometers (2.5 miles) above the spacecraft's landing site. The date found the snow vaporized before reaching the ground.

"Nothing like this view has ever been seen on Mars," said Jim Whiteway, of York University, Toronto, lead scientist for the Canadian-supplied Meteorological Station on Phoenix. "We'll be looking for signs that the snow may even reach the ground."

Yeah, it has! Snowfalls on Mars? Looks far fetched and the thought would have been debunked outright. But all that's changed..


Heavy Frost, or Snow. Deposit at Viking Lander 2 Site (Viking Lander Image 211093).
Courtesy: Spherix Inc

I had given evidence of the possibility of life on Mars and why NASA could be hiding the truth from us in the thread here...Scientific Evidence Of Life On Mars!! Why is NASA Obfuscating The Truth?

(Darn! I've overshot my bandwidth on Photo Bucket, so you may not be able to see most images in all my threads, till the 17th of May 09! Now why the dickens didn't I upload all recent images on ATS media? Simple. Because I'm a moron!!)

And...

The presence of large concentrations of hydrogen have been detected by the Gamma Ray Spectrometer suite of instruments on the Mars Odyssey spacecraft.

The models and measurements are consistent with a water-ice table that steadily increases in depth with decreasing latitude. More detailed modelling has predicted that the depth at which water ice is stable can be highly variable, owing to local surface heterogeneities such as rocks and slopes, and the thermal inertia of the ground cover.

Where there's water, there's most probably life!!

Cheers!

afp.google.com...
www.nature.com...



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That snow had to come from somewhere.

Perhaps these are "water-clouds" afterall - now that NASA is finally admitting the possibility of snow (not long ago it was called 'Co2 flakes', or something that effect )

*What is that in the bottom left - a Barsoomian tweetyboid? (but seriously, what is it?)
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Wow! Those were amazing pics!! I wonder what the debunkers have to say? Oh yes, those are just dust clouds! No water vapor there! Jeeez!

Cheers!

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The debunkers here will probably say they are just icy dust clouds.

But the significant minds at JPL say otherwise:

"The atmospheric water is available to form into clouds, fog and frost, such as the lander has been observing recently. "

Fog is composed of liquid water!

*Several species of bacteria are airborne - such a species could potentially be supported in the martian ecosystem especially as it has been confirmed that some of the clouds are composed of liquid water - which means Mars isn't as always as cold as some would have us believe.

Here is an interesting paper on the subject (pdf file):
Airborne Bacteria in the Atmospheric Surface Layer

This one covers different environments:

SURVEY OF AIRBORNE BACTERIA AT FOUR DIVERSE LOCATIONS IN OREGON: URBAN, RURAL, FOREST, AND COASTAL

*Remember that there was a new bacteria recently discovered living at 40 miles into the atmosphere!

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