17 Year Old Girl Arrested For Cursing At A 911 Operator To Help Dying Father In Detroit! "Are You G

I can't help but think the stress level on the daughter was. Her father just has surgery and now is having a seizure. Any kind of brain surgery is stressful on a family. I don't blame her for the way she acted at all.

Who can honestly say they have never acted out inappropriately during a hard time?

A police officer who is offended by swear words? He probably hears far worse language in the locker room from other cops as they are getting ready for their shift. Or after hours in the cop bar. Just go to a cop bar sometime and listen to the swearing that goes on in one of them. Macho man couldn't stand it that a little teenage girl was swearing at HIM. How dare she!!

911 operators should know that callers will be excited.

I hope the family cleans Macho Cop out for everything he owns.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by groingrinder]

Originally posted by groingrinder
A police officer who is offended by swear words?

He probably hears far worse language in the locker room from other cops as they are getting ready for their shift. Or after hours in the cop bar. Just go to a cop bar sometime and listen to the swearing that goes on in one of them. Macho man couldn't stand it that a little teenage girl was swearing at HIM. How dare she!!

911 operators should know that callers will be excited.

I hope the family cleans Macho Cop out for everything he owns.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by groingrinder]

I would defend the guy had he not hung up on her. As long as he got the ambulance out lecture her all you want but hang up on her?

I can understand he has a high stress job and when working the switchboard may get prank calls throughout the day/night and be frustrated but the hanging up is just a bad no no not to mention a lapse in common sense.

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I agree with you as well, groingrinder. And I find it interesting that although she used the F-word several times throughout the calls, she never pointed the language AT the officer. But he did swear at her in a direct way and called her two different names.

So he's upset that she used poor language at all, but then he goes on to also use poor language in actually calling her a couple of names directly. That's what I found to be the most shocking part of this.

The cop should have responded and the father should giver his daughter an A++ whooping for putting the attitude out over helping her father.

Originally posted by loam
What an outrageous story...on both sides.

The officer is an arrogant ass...and so was the daughter.

I wonder why she thought it best to go to the police station and demand help, rather than seeking assistance from a neighbor or someone else?

Nope, outrageous only on the officers side. I've been in the same situation as this girl a few times in the past and if some dispatch or cop was giving me crap, I would have said a lot worse. I don't know if you've ever been in this kind of situation before, I'm guessing not, but everyone reacts different. This girl was scared, and the last thing she needed was some jag off cop giving her this B.S. Also, she swore while the phone was ringing, so she wasn't even talking to him. She couldn't get through to begin with and then she said what many people would while it's ringing and no one picking up. And this fool didn't even ask what the nature of the emergency, he just hung up. This is all on the cop, the girl wasn't rude enough in my opinion.

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You either didn't read all of my posts in this thread or misunderstand my position.

I have NOT excused the behavior of the officer.

Nor do I excuse the lack of judgment exhibited by the daughter-- and I'm not talking about her initial uses of profanity.

Originally posted by itinerantseeker
Also, she swore while the phone was ringing, so she wasn't even talking to him. She couldn't get through to begin with and then she said what many people would while it's ringing and no one picking up.

As shown in this link, policecrimes.org... besides swearing while waiting for someone to pick-up, she also swore 4 times in the 3 or 4 calls she made, while the officer was on the line. (Before he hung up on her each time).

Of course, I'm not defending the officer who did a terrible job at handling this situation, but she was refusing to stop swearing. Though I think in essence we agree that her language should never have been made any important part of the emergency call, whatsoever. Deal with the emergency first and give her a lecture if you want, AFTER the ambulance is on it's way.

_javascript:icon('') Sadly, what it might take, is the pursuit of police in civil court for every act of misbehavior towards innocent people who react to high stress with foul language. The more suits filed and the greater number of police having to defend themselves in civil court may send a message. The more often that city government has to pay out settlements for police misconduct, the sooner police behavior ?? might ??? change. Since the police are not highly paid, and the city budgets are shrinking, the targeting of their pocketbooks could ??? maybe??? improve their behavior. Threatening letters from law firms tend to get peoples attention.

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My friend, I couldn't agree more. I guess my sarcasm didn't translate like I thought it would.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by itinerantseeker

 

You either didn't read all of my posts in this thread or misunderstand my position.

I have NOT excused the behavior of the officer.

Nor do I excuse the lack of judgment exhibited by the daughter-- and I'm not talking about her initial uses of profanity.

I have read your posts and think you're making too much of it against the daughter. She left her older brother to look after their dad while she confronts the officer. It's not as though she left her dad dying on the floor, he had someone there with him. This cop pissed her off and she wanted to confront him personally. It might be the last thing most would do at that moment, but that is what she did. She's young, she was scared and had to deal with a jackass. Doesn't make it wrong, and still doesn't make this story less disturbing. The cop had sand in his vagina and it nearly cost a man his life.

Originally posted by Static Sky

Originally posted by itinerantseeker
Also, she swore while the phone was ringing, so she wasn't even talking to him. She couldn't get through to begin with and then she said what many people would while it's ringing and no one picking up.

As shown in this link, policecrimes.org... besides swearing while waiting for someone to pick-up, she also swore 4 times in the 3 or 4 calls she made, while the officer was on the line. (Before he hung up on her each time).

Of course, I'm not defending the officer who did a terrible job at handling this situation, but she was refusing to stop swearing. Though I think in essence we agree that her language should never have been made any important part of the emergency call, whatsoever. Deal with the emergency first and give her a lecture if you want, AFTER the ambulance is on it's way.

Yes I know all this, I watched the video and know that she kept swearing, thanks for telling me. And it doesn't matter if she didn't stop swearing, she wasn't breaking any laws and he obviously is too much of a self important idiot because if some girl, or anyone calls 911 and is swearing, then something serious must be going on. In a panic situation, people swear, do and even say stupid things, and as a 20 year veteran on the force he should have known this.

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Originally posted by itinerantseeker
She left her older brother to look after their dad while she confronts the officer. It's not as though she left her dad dying on the floor, he had someone there with him.
This cop pissed her off and she wanted to confront him personally.

Are you serious?

Either he required emergency assistance or not. You can't have it both ways. If that had been my father, the last priority for me would have been a subsequent face-to-face confrontation with the offending officer. I think I would have worked on getting dad to the hospital first.

Originally posted by itinerantseeker
It might be the last thing most would do at that moment, but that is what she did. She's young, she was scared and had to deal with a jackass. Doesn't make it wrong...

Yes it does. But to each his own.

I happen to come from the camp that finds excusing or ignoring poor judgment the surest route to its continued presence.

The operator should be suspended the cop should be fired end of story. But of course the girl got arrested the cop got suspended and all is right in Never-Never land. Remind me to mark Detroit on my list of places to never visit right under England.

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itinerantseeker, I was only pointing out that she did swear several times while she was talking to the officer in question. The bit I quoted from you made it sound as though you didn't realise that she kept swearing throughout the several calls. I was only pointing this out.

And again, I agree that she was not to fault in this. The officer was fully and completely to blame for the fact that a man lay possibly dying while he argued about language. Rediculous any way you cut it.

But I've got to believe that if it were one of my loved ones on the floor convulsing and I was getting attitude from the operator because of my swearing, I would stop swearing to ensure the conversation moved forward ASAP.

Again, not blaming her. It was all the cops fault as far as I'm concerned. But she could have handled herself better in the situation nonetheless. I chalk it up to a relative lack in maturity from a teenager in a very serious crisis situation.

And I surely would have gone to the police station to file an official complaint, too. But only after the ambulance left with my loved one in it.

I can see why this young lady acted why she did as my husband was put into the same situation last summer.
A little backround on this story. I have epilepsy and asthma from a prior toxic infection. Our neighbor is a police officer and emergency responder in the next town over.
Now last summer I had a string of really BAD seizures at one point I had somehow caused a blood vessel in my brain to seep blood. This had caused my body to shift fluid into my caranium causing some extreme pain to say the least. It had also caused me to start having weird problems with my nerves all over my body.
At one point about the second month in I just suddenly stopped breathing collapsed and had a seizure. When I came to I still couldn't breath right and couldn't seem to even get my rescue med's into my lung's. My hub called the 911 operator and requested help as he is a trained cpr specialist for disasters etc. They where lagging and saying that they where backed up etc. But he was affraid to move me because everytime he tried I started choking again and would pass out. Well our neighbor heard what was going on and rushed over with his buddy and their bags from "their" ambulance parked at home. He called into the police station and told the lady I was code 3 and needed to be moved NOW. She started in about who he was etc. and he let loose on her and told her to move her a%% right then or he was loading me in his wagon. Then and only then did anyone show up.!!!
It turned out that my throat had seized and the muscles where preventing me from breathing and at the sametime the blood vessels in my face and neck where breaking under the pressure. I could have died if we had waited for them to show up.(doc in hospital told captian he saved my life)

Now about 3 days later my other neighbor told me the lady at the police station was trying to get him fired for helping me out of his juristiction and for cussing at her. So I a woman who never curse's unless I like really loose it went down there to the station and let her have it! Told her if she wanted to keep this going I would have her brought up on charges for not assisting me in a code 3 situation and sue the department for her being more worried about who was in control than me living! Needless to say he still has his job and they have given him permission to help me if they can't get here in time....

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First let me say that I'm very glad you are okay. That sounds like it was a terrifying ordeal to say the least. I'm glad you came through.

But while your neighbor is an adult male who's schooled in the lingo, and therefor would come across as an authoritative voice on the line, the girl is 17 and did not know the lingo of emergency services. Her frantic sounding voice should have been a sign to the operator of the severity of the situation, but for whatever this melonhead just kept focus on her language.

My only contention is that she would have done better to understand that for whatever reason, the idiot on the other end of the line easily destracted from the point of his job. Just stop cussing and get the important information across. When her dad gets to the hospital, by all means go on down to the police station and let them have it!

As for you letting the operator in your situation know just what you thought.... brilliant! Why shouldn't you? I sure would. I'd probibly get myself arrested in the process but everyone within earshot would know exactly why I'm mad. Good on you, xoxo stacie. Be well.

OK, I hate to take the position of an idiot on this thread... but I will, lol

Can you seriously be arrested for profanity? I mean really? What happened to free speech? Yes, I agree it may be disrespectfull, but in an emergency situation I think its more than understandable...

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Yes. You can be arrested for ANYTHING. Whether it is permissible is always a question answered after-the-fact. Keep that in mind.

police, military, security service - are chosen for their below average IQ of 80(easily brainwashed and trained) and a predisposition for psychopathy(as well as a strong body to test on). Zombies. As an adult I know to not expect their help anymore and stay out of trouble,but...
the reflex of the average teen, would be to do like on tv - right? and call 911 for assistance and expect them to send an ambulance to save her dad's life, and see others concerned and competent - like on tv...she must be so frustrated and scared, she will be abused. I'm on her side. I wish to all of the people guilty of hurting and judging this girl to feel her pain tenfold