homosexuality not genetic

reply to post by tamusan


Are you suggesting that some can? None of the gay community say you can choose you attraction, just your actions.

I think the science is still out. I feel the evidence shows that it is not unrealistic to say that some people are born gay.

Let's look at the perspective of this scenario. When I was at the university, there were many gay people. That was in the early 90s. Some of these gay people are not gay now. Some people were just experimenting. I can't count how many lesbians liked to get it on with me. Before you say that they are bi, let me point out that some do not like women in that way now. So, I believe that some people can choose. If it is in your genes, you are not going to get away from it.

reply to post by tamusan


But of course allot of people who aren't strictly gay or strait will find that their orientation will shift throughout their lives. I don't think a person can look at someone and decide whether they find that person attractive or not. Can you? I can't.

I don't know. I am very particular in who I am attracted to. Especially now. But I think that is an evolution of my psyche and not genetics. In the past, I would not turn down any woman's attention. Now, I have a very specific criteria for what excites me. Anything outside of that cannot arouse me. If they cannot arouse me, I am not attracted to them.

Originally posted by HulaAnglers
The homosexuals female as well as male that I know, were all "initiated" at a very young age by kind and deceitful adults. Pedophiles.

I am glad to know their are other listeners out there. Lord knows I have had way to many folks give me the TMI about their youth. But yeah I too noticed the consistent pattern.

It would be nice if psychologists could get involved and clinically research this... But I wont hold my breath... not as long as their is xanex to pop and paxil to prescribe.

reply to post by tamusan


So you can't, then. You should set out on a fact finding mission and see if you can manage to 'choose' to be or not to be attracted to someone on sight.

Originally posted by Welfhard
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But of course allot of people who aren't strictly gay or strait will find that their orientation will shift throughout their lives. I don't think a person can look at someone and decide whether they find that person attractive or not. Can you? I can't.

...Woah! I find that statement extreemly odd...! I most often base my attraction on women, due to their physical attraction...or looks...

I think that is quite "normal"...

...Interesting, that in the 1950's homosexuality was seen as a mental disorder... Now. It (just) a "lifestyle choice"...

... I think gay is a "club" that you have to initiated into...
hidden pretty much until now...deceptive... and negative....
...But that's just my opinion....:

I see what you are saying now. I cannot choose who to be attracted to. I am very particular in what I am attracted to, but I did not choose it.

reply to post by tamusan


Let me put it this way, why would a person 'choose' to be gay? When someone is just starting to sexually mature and they find that they are attracted to their own gender, do you think they would be delighted? Often it comes with great dread and depression, and more than a few end up ending it all. I didn't get to choose.

There is a thread around here somewhere that deals with this issue, called "when did you CHOOSE to be strait". You should have a look.

[edit on 9-5-2009 by Welfhard]

Originally posted by cosmokatt7
...Woah! I find that statement extreemly odd...! I most often base my attraction on women, due to their physical attraction...or looks...

I think that is quite "normal"...

...Interesting, that in the 1950's homosexuality was seen as a mental disorder... Now. It (just) a "lifestyle choice"...

... I think gay is a "club" that you have to initiated into...
hidden pretty much until now...deceptive... and negative....
...But that's just my opinion....:

And your opinion is based on what?

reply to post by Welfhard


...My opinion is based on... having lived in this world for awhile.. and having encountered many differnt people...


like the "macho" guy who was "boning" a consistent male church goer
loudly in the next apartment...

and hearing... through the walls the church goer say that he had his first gay experience when he was 14... initiated by a much older male....



[edit on 9-5-2009 by cosmokatt7]

reply to post by cosmokatt7


That's it? Some kid had a gay experience at 14 and you figure he must be initiated?

THAT'S IT?

You sir need to "encounter" more "different people."

[edit on 9-5-2009 by Welfhard]

Just in case you don't know, homosexuality is not exclusive to humans.

The more you know.

If you read back through the thread, you will see that I (and others) have presented that arguement. You will also see that some attacked that arguement.

Take a look back, I posted a study from a scientific journal that shows gay fruit flies have a gene that makes them gay.

reply to post by Welfhard



....Heh! Haw! I think I have encountered enough people.. to already last a lifetime....

I'm not here to disuade you of what ever it is you believe..or to argue with you....

...Needless to say I truly think I know much more about life and "human nature" than you ever will...

...And... I really have no reason to try to "prove' it to you...

...Nontheless... I appreciate your feedback...

reply to post by Welfhard

I think people are gay for many reasons. There are genetic causes and there are psychological causes. There are also combinations of the two. Some people choose to be gay. Some people cannot make that choice.

At this point in my life, I have come to only be attracted to Asian women. Is that genetic? I doubt it. Is it a choice? I will say that at one point I chose Asian women over other races. Now, I cannot choose, because I cannot be physically excited by a non-asian woman.

reply to post by cosmokatt7

...Needless to say I truly think I know much more about life and "human nature" than you ever will...

How presumptuous.

reply to post by tamusan


Ya I figured that someone had already said that homosexuality is not exclusive to humans but it's a point worth repeating. Over and over. And over.

homosexuality is not exclusive to humans

please think about the implications of this.

thanks!!

reply to post by Welfhard


....Uh... Well...Yeah...

The biological understanding of who wrote this indicates they have no understanding of why people "turn gay". As a gay man myself I assure you no one taught me to be gay any more then I was taught to be right handed.