So you say you want a revolution...

I'm hoping that this starts a solid discussion of where this country is heading.

There’s no doubt that in recent years and most definitely in recent months there is a growing discord for “government”. Many people feel that the liberties afforded them in the constitution are being eroded away and a new era of control is on its way in. This sentiment has caused many to feel disenfranchised and that they have no further recourse to change the world, or keep it the way it is depending on perspective. So what is a disenfranchised citizen to do to prevent themselves, their family, their neighbors and others from becoming subjects of the state instead of citizens…Enter the revolutionists.
At first glance one could easily discount anyone espousing talk of revolution as crazy person. Even the most open minded person may be quick to say that such people are in the minority. But are they right? Depending on the source there were between 300,000 to 1,000,000 people around the country that attended the April 15th Tax Day Tea Parties. If these numbers are indicative of a growing sentiment that our elected officials are not representing us in the manner we want then where does this road lead us?
What if eventually a group of people decide that they want to “revolt” against the government? And for the sake of discussion let’s say that the number of people revolting is 1,000,000. If we take a cue from our forefathers then the first act of revolution is to quit paying taxes. So we have a fraction of the population that instantly become tax evaders and thus criminals. Considering that the current population of incarcerated people in the U.S. is currently around 2000000 it would be ridiculous to think that even at this small number of people, that the government could incarcerate this many people. I realize some will connect the dots and think about the F.E.M.A camps, but that’s a discussion onto itself for another time.
So the next move is the governments’. How do you do to get 1000000 people back in line? Since arresting 1000000 people isn’t very feasible the next step could be to place liens against these people. With this comes the garnishing of wages. Lets again for the sake of discussion say that you get employers to violate the government’s withholding orders. This now adds to the government’s dilemma. Even if the employers comply that still leaves you with 500000 employers that don’t.
Now looking a bit down this course of action eventually the government will get tired of waiting for its money. From the time the first rebels decide not to pay to the time the government sends in the enforcers would likely be a few months. But is it this simple?
In order for the government to push forth its agenda it has to have the muscle to do it. This brings up the issue of the military. There is a growing sentiment of questioning in the military evidenced by recent stories in the media of soldiers questioning their orders. Some have even refused orders. In the sense of what will they do if asked to use force against U.S. Citizens, a person can look at any military branches “Oath of Enlistment” which I assure you all soldiers know with regards to their respective branch of service and see that they swear to defend the U.S. against all enemies both foreign and domestic. 30 years ago questioning of the government were actions reserved to groups of people that were marginalized by the mainstream society. But in today’s environment questioning authority has been made much more acceptable. Many soldiers may ask the question, “how is this person or group of people an ‘enemy’ of the state”? When this happens it is plausible for groups of military personnel to refuse the orders to engage U.S. Citizens. And when other troops come to take action you may even see clashes between military forces.
So in a sense, once the revolution starts it can push the country into something more akin to a civil war.

That's why I always laugh when someone says that the people can't win if they choose to rebel against the tyranny we are seeing from DC. Our service people aren't mind numb idiots trained only to kill or attack on orders. They must be smart, intelligent folks to contend with the rigors of the modern armed forces. They also know that their own families will be involved, and I can't see them just mindlessly attacking US citizens because the government wants them too! They see every day, who it is, that thinks they are just fools. They know that the present administration has no respect for them and simply pays lip service to their sacrifice!

Zindo

Here is a thread which discusses in detail the problems surrounding a "revolution". It is just not as simple as you are making it out to be. Grab a cup of coffee and have a read. Don't skim it just read it all of the way through, all of the posts. Your idea though good in it's intentions, is just not feasible.

So you want a rebellion? You can't.. The constitution says so.

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I read the title of this thread and it reminds me of a certain song...I think it is this one, am I correct?

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You make some interesting points, although your organization needs work. I got a little lost in the text you generated. But I get it. Gerald Celente is predicting civil war, essentially, in the UNITED STATES beginning this year.

So, yeah, the quarantines have the biggest possibility of widespread panic and freak-out. That I can see.



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I also read a paper ( I can't find the damned thing now) that posed that question and the scholarly work on it says that your correct...if its to establish another government NOT under the US Constitution. That being if an insurrection started from another government that wanted to start a Communistic or monarch as a head of this nation and other citizens backed the usurper. Should the citizens wish to throw out, by force, the elected officials and reestablish the Constitutional republic then a rebellion can be legal! Its a fine line and not something to be undertaken lightly!

Zindo

I want a revolution. The problem is, the government will shed blood and kill millions of people to preserve the Union, just like it did during the Civil War.

It should only be a last resort.

reply to post by PhoenixDemon


The only people talking about 'revolution' in this country are Republicans who realize that their party screwed up so bad the last 8 years that they won't be in power again for a long time. Basically, many of the same people who were telling Democrats to 'love it or leave it' in the debate over the Iraq War are not openly talking about secession and revolution...friggin' children. They love their country only when their political party controls it which is NOT patriotic in the least. It's like a kid saying nobody can use his football unless he's the quarterback lol. Please. Grow. Up.

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If you think its ONLY the republicans talking revolution, your sadly mistaken. Do yourself a favor and forget party affiliation and think more about the rule of law according to the Constitution. You won't get sidetracked by esoteric socialist thinking by both parties!

Zindo