Mass sterilization campaign Exposed! This Includes You! Epigenotoxins! Legal Loophole!

reply to post by andy1033


Oh I'm very aware of depopulation agendas. Your solutions are framed within a system that can only offer those two options. Clearly any free human being cannot accept such draconian methods - forced culling and sterilization, even restrictive child policies all require a police state to enforce.

What we need is a paradigm shift in the way humans organize. Your shift would necessitate a cruel 'Brave New World'. I'm hoping we can do better.

The reason i'm inclined to imply a Bioshield connection thingy is the timing of this and the anti-depakote research coming out in full force is impeccible.

Moms Who Take Epilepsy Drug Valproate (Depakote) Have Children With Lower IQs, New Study Says

Researchers followed about 260 children born to pregnant women in the United States and United Kingdom between 1999 and 2004. They found that by age three, toddlers whose mothers had taken valproate had an average IQ of 92 compared to scores of between 98 and 101 for children of women who had taken other drugs, including lamotrigine, phenytoin, and carbamazepine.

The "jagged pill" that we all must swallow...

The control of childbirth among the human population of the earth is coming within this century. And it is a paradigm (however distasteful) that we all must deal with.

To do nothing, is to doom our descendants. Given unchecked population
growth, we, as a species, like any controlled experiment where an
organism is introduced into a fertile and finite environment (ie. a petri dish)
we will eventually founder in its own waste.

Sorry folks. This is truth. The alternatives to not policing our own
population are famine, disease, and the death of the environment
we occupy (our petri dish).

Don't shoot the messenger...

Originally posted by Neo_Serf
reply to post by andy1033

 

How about instead of forcing your ideologies into peoples bodies to control population, we up the standard of living for peoples across the world by removing the system that ensures their poverty?

Affluent people have less kids.

PS: stay the f**K outta my testicles.

I agree - and to that end I wrote my book. But it won't work unless the ideas are considered by a critical number of people - it has to reach the tipping point.

And to help it do so (and because the aim is to eliminate money and usher in abundance for all), my book is FREE (linked in my sig).

Originally posted by rival


The "jagged pill" that we all must swallow...

The control of childbirth among the human population of the earth is coming within this century. And it is a paradigm (however distasteful) that we all must deal with.

To do nothing, is to doom our descendants. Given unchecked population
growth, we, as a species, like any controlled experiment where an
organism is introduced into a fertile and finite environment (ie. a petri dish)
we will eventually founder in its own waste.

Sorry folks. This is truth. The alternatives to not policing our own
population are famine, disease, and the death of the environment
we occupy (our petri dish).

Don't shoot the messenger...

Horse pucky.

Every nation that has female controlled fertility and education has a population reduction happening.

The clear solution to the "problem" is to have women be educated and in control of their own fertility.

That is the fastest, most humane, solution in the World. It requires no such stupidity as you are suggesting.

The evidence is clear. And it is all around you. No such measures are required.

However, as is very common rather than do that you WANT control of people. You WANT to impose your will inside of other people's bodies.

This is obvious, because the solution that is already clearly working doesn't satisfy your need to control. The solution that works gives control to other people. It gives control of themselves to....each individual. And you cannot trust individuals with controlling themselves.

Sorry I won't let you happy depopulation victims derail the inherent EVIL of this program. Depopulation is a SMOKESCREEN!

It's actually genocide of the last remaining traces of Neanderthal epigenetics..

The minicolumnopathy of autism: A link between migraine and gastrointestinal symptoms.
Med Hypotheses. 2008;70(1):73-80. Epub 2007

The truth is that there are some folks lucky enough to have caught some of the last of the epigenetic markers of the Neanderthal subspecies of human, now extinct. Neanderthal's genes are long gone, but epigenetics live on...And their intestines are programmed for an extinct gut flora bacteria, which is why they have problems with migraines. Some of their brains are programmed to recognize ancient looking faces and as a result, they don't look you in the eye all the time. They are more sensitive to mercury because they have higher androgen receptor sensitivity level which means they have higher neurite outgrowth. On the other hand they're more sensitive to mercury because testosterone activity potentiates mercury toxicity. 2D:4D ratio is a good measure of your androgen receptor sensitivity level, programmed during your time in the womb, affected by environmental toxins there too.

The Neanderthal Theory of Autism, ASD, ADHD.

reply to post by andy1033


I too have decided not to have children, but I would never, ever suggest that someone be sterilized because of my own opinions about overpopulation. That would be incredibly arrogant, narcissistic, and selfish of me.

If someone decides they want to go to the doctor and get "fixed" that is completely up to them. But when people start making reproductive choices for other based on opinions, I get really scared.

I could never imagine myself, a family member, or a friend (even someone I don't know) finding out that they've been selected to be sterilized because someone else decided they were not worthy enough to bring a life into this world. I'm sickened by that idea!


Even though I have decided not to have children, I have also not ever had the thought cross my mind that I should make it so that I can't ever have children. What if I change my mind?

You may just be a troll looking for a confrontation but I decided to reply to your post because I don't want people thinking that those that have decided not to have children generally have these ideas.



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[edit on 4-5-2009 by nunya13]

Star for you Andy1033.

All drugs have side effects that are not desirable. Valproate is a drug that's use should be clearly a last option.

We will come to a point sooner or later that we will be forced by nature to limit births.

We humans are much too careless concerning contraception.

When Joe the drug abuser and alcoholic with a low IQ and mental problems has sex with Mary, the whore with HIV and low IQ and they produce an offspring it should be a crime against nature.

Or how about when the manic depressive male that frequently talks of sucide and the crack whore make a baby. Shame , shame, shame.

Why should people that don't give a damn about their lives be allowed to bring an innocent child into the world.

In my opinion some people should not ever have children. When my mother said this to me many years ago I called her Hitler. Now, I see and understand why she said what she did.

Being a parent is the most important job you will ever have. If more people realized that fact we would not have parents killing, molesting and doing other horrible things to children.

Babies cannot chose the circumstances they are born into. But we can.

Life is not all fluff and a bowl of cherries. It's time we became responsible people and not have unwanted and uncared for babies with no chance in hell of having a decent chance at life.

As far as couples that cannot conceive they could adopt a homeless baby and give it a chance. To adopt a child is to give the gift of a love and a chance to have a good life.

Again, this IS not about whether it's okay to have rampant breeding or not .


This is about GENOCIDE, and lowering offspring's IQ forevermore. It's about THROWING AWAY hard-earned robust epigenetics that our ancestors died for in order to make intelligent humans obsolete.

This is also about whether you want the same people who have perpetrated this to regulate a stranglehold on the world food supply, world nutritional supplement market, the WHO the CDC the NRC...

You want them to make you take your birth control in your Taco Bell?

GM Files: GM Corn to Make Men Sterile Already a Reality

Germany Bans Cultivation of GM Corn

Monsanto GM-corn harvest fails massively in South Africa

Well it does not have to be quite so obvious as poisoning 80% of the population..

Maybe just something that makes you sterile. Interesting concept.

S+F

reply to post by dizziedame


You sound exactly like a Eugenecists of the pre WW2 era. You know, before they were embarssed by Hitler and were forced underground.

You would give the ultimate power that an individual has, ie the power to pass on thier genes, to the government.

By letting the government decide who breeds, you give them the ultimate power of life and death, not just over the individual, but over their genetics lines and future progeny, that have commited no crimes. Once given this power, government could eliminate any group they deem 'less desireable.'

Can you not see how monsterous this is? A few crack babies is a small price to pay for freedom.

reply to post by andy1033

I agree with you more than not. Fact: People with severe hereditary
problems like mental illness or crippling diseases have no business passing on those traits and I will be very glad to argue this point. I fall into this category with a congenital autoimmune condition and have decided not to have children because hereditary diseases need to be eradicated.

The real problem is that in America this program was geared toward sterilizing the poor. It was very common for women to be termed "mentally defective" and be sterilized without consent until the 1970s in the south. It also was a rationale for seizing children or infants to be put up for for-profit adoptions.

We've got enough people. We're not even taking care of the kids we already have. When every child has a roof over its head, food, clean water, medical care, education, and safety, then tell me about we shouldn't depopulate the world.

Plus, of course, it's silly to sterilize people with cancer, who statistically are at the *end* of their childbearing years.

How can you be sure your congenital autoimmune disorder couldn't have been triggered by something environmental, such as gluten in your diet, or a virus? Why so quick to diss your own genetics?

Again, this trend to go from approval of selective sterilization as an procedure being scaled up to approval of a clandestine indiscriminate non-pharmacologically-consistent-dosing method of FERTILITY AND IQ REDUCTION (not total sterilization) ... it does not follow ..... Seriously I'm sorry if you guys were abused or something not to love life enough to protect yourself or your families..

How can you be pro sterilization AND pro fluoride/depakote/bisphenol A? You say you want kids to grow up healthy and have no genetic disadvantages but yet you approve of lowering the subject's IQ while they're alive and depakote lowers their offsprings' IQ increasing genetic abnormalities....

If you wanted to sterilize someone, you could have tubes tied....you don't mess with their DNA. Period. Right tool for the Right Job. That's why I repeat...this is about indiscriminate epigenocide....not about whether you think it's okay if crack babies have kids....separate issue not for this thread, please.


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Originally posted by elusive1

Researchers followed about 260 children born to pregnant women in the United States and United Kingdom between 1999 and 2004. They found that by age three, toddlers whose mothers had taken valproate had an average IQ of 92 compared to scores of between 98 and 101 for children of women who had taken other drugs, including lamotrigine, phenytoin, and carbamazepine.

i am at a loss for words except to say nothing shocks me anymore. i'm tired of getting upset with big pharma and big brother (which is exactly what "they" want i'm sure)........

I've had a hunch that this sort of thing has been going on. What better way to implement a means of depopulation that to over prescribe drugs for any type of syndrome, phobia, disease, and disorder that the medical and pharmaceutical industry can come up with? Hell, for all we know there are drugs being doled out which, taking alone may be harmless, but when combined with other drugs will have the same result of making a person sterile.

I, too, do not agree with the covert means by which this is being done. People have the right to choose. However, considering the reckless way that humanity is living on this planet, something must be done. And a silent means of controlling the population is among the most logical that I can think of, at least in terms of how I would consider doing it if I was one of the folks pulling the strings.

This might sound a little funny, and even strange, but I'm surprised there has not been some sort of marketing campaign to make voluntary sterility fashionable. I wonder how many young people would do it if they saw their favorite celebrities saying how cool it is. And let's not forget all of the sex they could have without condoms! Sick and perverted, yes, but this is the world we live in.

As someone else mentioned, this does resemble an episode of Stargate SG-1. There is another episode where SG-1 travels to a system of planets where a race called the Ashen call home. Among the planets live several different civilizations, one of which is visited by SG-1 to learn why their once advanced society had declined and why the population dropped. They discovered that while the Ashen made themselves appear as selfless, advanced, and caring, they had a much more sinister plan than assisting the people on the other planets. By offering the others a way to maintain good health through the use of their advanced medicines and technology, they seemed to be helping. But the drugs made the people impotent. I forget the exact way that it was put in the show, but in essence their plan was to be patient and let the populations of other worlds become unexpectedly sterile and eventually cease to exist. Once that happened, then the Ashen could move in and take advantage of the resources of the planets.

reply to post by Aeons



My post was an observation of near-future reality as I see it. I was not
making a pro-argument for depopulation or advocating any means by
which to do so. And I certainly do not want to control anyone, nor do I want
anyone controlling me

Harbingers of hope, are the facts that, in industrialized, educated, areas of the
world, population is stabilizing. (I am unaware of countries where
population is decreasing).

You also state:

"...This is obvious, because the solution that is already clearly working doesn't satisfy your need to control. The solution that works gives control to other people. It gives control of themselves to....each individual. And you cannot trust individuals with controlling themselves."

Once again, you have misconstrued my words, believing that
I somehow want "control". Nevertheless, control of our actions is a commodity we relinquish freely to exist in any human society. Throughout history people give up a portion of control of their lives for (hopefully) the greater good of society. If this were not true, then police forces would not exist.

The solution that is already working (as you state) hasn't
prevented the doubling of the world's population in the last fifty years
and I still believe that we, as a society, must police ourselves vis-a-vis
population growth, or the PTB will do it for us in some horrible and
hideous manner ala the original topic of this thread, (which it seems I
have semi-hijacked). Sorry,

reply to post by Michelle129

We also have had several couples in the family with this issue, and I have several close friends and coworkers with the same issue. Sometimes it is related to polycystic ovarian disease and related issues; one coworker has been trying to get pregnant for about 10 years. I think a lot of doctors are not skilled or willing enough to do their jobs to determine the root cause, if you can;t research a symptom on the internet it doesn't exist apparently.


I suspect the levels of drugs in the water system and hormone exposure through meat may be partly to blame. Notice that people in less developed countries that do not face these issues have far lower sterility rates. Another thing: their men generally do not wear tight pants or underwear. Changing sperm's temperature by a couple of degrees that way kills them. I don;t think there is a widescale conspiracy to sterilize people (who would they get to perform menial work?) but pollution is very clearly linked to reproductive problems.

I feel for you guys who want kids and can;t have them. My uncle was married to a woman for several years who had a pathological urge to have kids and was drawn into an adoption scheme by two Orlando attorneys operating a Russian "adoption ring." They took her for more than $50,000 in 2006. He left her and turned up shot to death the next day. She's still sending them money to find her children the last we heard.

reply to post by John_Q_Llama

I doubt that would work. Women who have reproductive issues often lose interest in sex due to decreased levels of estrogen.