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United States Marines Attacked By Police
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VISTA ---- Deputies arrested nine people at separate loud parties Sunday, using Tasers and pepper spray to restrain unruly party-goers ----- actions a Marine at one of the parties said were "excessive to the extreme."
No deputies were hurt in either incident though one reveler at a Sunday night party was hospitalized after being hit with pepper spray, said Lt. Mike Munsey, a department spokesman.
The first fracas took place about 3:30 a.m. Sunday and involved "15 unruly Marines who had been drinking" at an apartment complex on Palomar Place east of Vista Way, Munsey said. Deputies had responded to a noise complaint at the complex nearly three hours earlier, and the Marines were cooperative, he said.
But when deputies returned after another complaint, Munsey said the group refused to follow directions ---- a statement refuted by Pfc. John Simpson, based at Camp Pendleton.
Simpson said he was Tasered at least "six or seven times" after trying to protect a friend, who was hit with pepper spray seconds later. Simpson said his friend had stood up to offer information to the deputies after everyone was ordered to sit down; Simpson said he was simply trying to get her to sit down.
As he grabbed her, the Marine said, he was Tasered and fell to the ground. He said he was then Tasered several more times on the ground though he said he never acted aggressively toward the deputies.
"It was excessive to the extreme," Simpson said. "I've never seen a police officer act that way."
He added that another Marine, his sergeant at Camp Pendleton, was slammed against a wall during the incident.
Two Marines, including Simpson, were arrested on felony battery of a peace officer charges, Munsey said. They were both booked at the Vista jail. Three other Marines were arrested and cited for delaying a police officer, though those three were released to military police at the scene.
Calls to the Vista station about the alleged excessive force were not immediately returned.
Munsey said he did not have further details about the incident.
"We don't really like getting into it with Marines ---- they're out their defending our country," he noted. "But when they get out of control, we have to preserve the peace for everyone."
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Being a friend of the Marines this happened to, I know that their rights were violated, and it disgusts me how the police department is going to just brush this off as "unruly" Marines. These Marines are facing scrutiny at work, and are being looked down upon because the police want to be big and bad. I believe the country deserves to know, how are troops are being treated at home.
Good for them Marines!!
Ohh Rah!
Cops are bad.
Marines/Soldiers are good.
Cops are bad.
May they run around for hours with ants in their pants.
Ohh Rah!
Cops are bad.
Marines/Soldiers are good.
Cops are bad.
May they run around for hours with ants in their pants.
haha some of you are naive when it comes to Marines.
I don't know too many Marines that partying, drinking at 330 in the AM are going to take too kindly to cops answering a couple of noise complaints. I'm sure they were mouthy in the least. I'd like to hear the other side of the story. However, I don't feel like they deserved to be tasered and this taser happy cop crap needs to end.
I don't know too many Marines that partying, drinking at 330 in the AM are going to take too kindly to cops answering a couple of noise complaints. I'm sure they were mouthy in the least. I'd like to hear the other side of the story. However, I don't feel like they deserved to be tasered and this taser happy cop crap needs to end.
reply to post by Zosynspiracy
what part of the other side of the story do you want to know I will be glad to tell you.
what part of the other side of the story do you want to know I will be glad to tell you.
reply to post by unlikelycandidate
This is so typical... Same crap was going on, albeit on a much lesser scale, when I was at Pendleton. It's the same in Jacksonville, heck, anywhere there is a high concentration of Marines.
It all comes down to one thing: Jealousy. Those overweight, out of shape, undereducated, pigs were probably army reservists in addition to their daily porcine ministrations! That, or they were denied entry into the Corps for some mental defficiency.
You're buddies should get in touch with Michael Savage. He has a hardon for cops/politicians that pick a fight with the Marines. I'm sure he'd put it on his national radio show, and these clowns posing as peace officers will get theirs.
In the meantime, it's been a while, but it seems to me that the Marines at Pendleton vastly outnumber the local cops, yeah?
Not saying DO anything... just keep 'em scared, like they should be. Maybe PT past their little cop station every day, or some such.
Most local cops are really just scared little boys with sidearms, tasers, and pepper spray, after all...
Come to think of it, if this would have happened to the group of Marines I lived with off base back in the early '90's...
We'd probably have a thread about cop funerals.
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
This is so typical... Same crap was going on, albeit on a much lesser scale, when I was at Pendleton. It's the same in Jacksonville, heck, anywhere there is a high concentration of Marines.
It all comes down to one thing: Jealousy. Those overweight, out of shape, undereducated, pigs were probably army reservists in addition to their daily porcine ministrations! That, or they were denied entry into the Corps for some mental defficiency.
You're buddies should get in touch with Michael Savage. He has a hardon for cops/politicians that pick a fight with the Marines. I'm sure he'd put it on his national radio show, and these clowns posing as peace officers will get theirs.
In the meantime, it's been a while, but it seems to me that the Marines at Pendleton vastly outnumber the local cops, yeah?
Not saying DO anything... just keep 'em scared, like they should be. Maybe PT past their little cop station every day, or some such.
Most local cops are really just scared little boys with sidearms, tasers, and pepper spray, after all...
Come to think of it, if this would have happened to the group of Marines I lived with off base back in the early '90's...
We'd probably have a thread about cop funerals.
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
reply to post by Zosynspiracy
Ive known people that when they drink they observe the world in a completely different way, to anything that goes on, thats why London police now have video cameras and mics on their caps for judgement day.
Some see it as their constant victims, drinking, does infact impair judgement.
I'm not taking sides, it's just, well i've heard friends who were in the Marine Corp, with some frightening stories of drinking in there.
Crazy Marine Corp and there shenanigans.
Ive known people that when they drink they observe the world in a completely different way, to anything that goes on, thats why London police now have video cameras and mics on their caps for judgement day.
Some see it as their constant victims, drinking, does infact impair judgement.
I'm not taking sides, it's just, well i've heard friends who were in the Marine Corp, with some frightening stories of drinking in there.
Crazy Marine Corp and there shenanigans.
I can't help but have the feeling there's a whole lot of "That's my story, and I'm sticking too it!" there.
Originally posted by cbianchi513
This is so typical... Same crap was going on, albeit on a much lesser scale, when I was at Pendleton. It's the same in Jacksonville, heck, anywhere there is a high concentration of Marines.
It all comes down to one thing: Jealousy. Those overweight, out of shape, undereducated, pigs were probably army reservists in addition to their daily porcine ministrations! That, or they were denied entry into the Corps for some mental defficiency.
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
I have known some Marines in my time who can really get out of hand with the parties, but by-in-large they all too often face demonization as a whole. In Washington, D.C. there was a controversy about a year ago over a bar that began denying service to those in the Corps, because of a few fights they had allegedly been involved in at that location, over a period of time. It was extremely bias however, seeing as a cadre of Marines was stationed only a few blocks away, so obviously they made up a large number of the patronage, and thus any bar fights would most obviously involve them to some extent.
As for the Police and their actions here, if they were Reservists as you point out, they most certainly are not any Reservists I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Then again, the Reservists I know are from a Specialized fully Commissioned U.S. Navy Unit, so they are rather unique.
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen
You're right... Sometimes I am guilty of too much esprit de corps... Those cops would probably get dropped from scout camp, much less recruit training!
I'm sure if they were reservists, they would have been professional.
It seems like more and more the cops are hiding behind their tasers, pepper spray, and other non-lethals.
What ever happened to takedown and restraint techniques? Don't they teach police this stuff anymore? Nope... straight for the taser. For a glaring example of this in recent news... google "Naked Wizard Coachella 2009".
I can assure you those Marines, regardless of their level of intoxication, could have easily disarmed and rendered harmless those cops if they had been so inclined. The fact that those cops are unharmed is proof enough to me that the Marines did nothing to provoke or resist these cowards.
That's called discipline... For those that didn't know.
The simple fact that the general public assumes Marines are killing machines is likely the prime factor in the use of such inappropriate force.
I still think most town cops are sissies.
Incidentally, you wouldn't be referring to the Marine Barracks at 8th and I? I'm sure you are aware that this is one of the most coveted billets in the Corps, and only the true "cream of the crop" are chosen.
Funny how the politicians and lobbyists can't get along with the professionals they've charged with protecting their rears!
EDIT(S): spelling, grammar, punctuation
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
You're right... Sometimes I am guilty of too much esprit de corps... Those cops would probably get dropped from scout camp, much less recruit training!
I'm sure if they were reservists, they would have been professional.
It seems like more and more the cops are hiding behind their tasers, pepper spray, and other non-lethals.
What ever happened to takedown and restraint techniques? Don't they teach police this stuff anymore? Nope... straight for the taser. For a glaring example of this in recent news... google "Naked Wizard Coachella 2009".
I can assure you those Marines, regardless of their level of intoxication, could have easily disarmed and rendered harmless those cops if they had been so inclined. The fact that those cops are unharmed is proof enough to me that the Marines did nothing to provoke or resist these cowards.
That's called discipline... For those that didn't know.
The simple fact that the general public assumes Marines are killing machines is likely the prime factor in the use of such inappropriate force.
I still think most town cops are sissies.
Incidentally, you wouldn't be referring to the Marine Barracks at 8th and I? I'm sure you are aware that this is one of the most coveted billets in the Corps, and only the true "cream of the crop" are chosen.
Funny how the politicians and lobbyists can't get along with the professionals they've charged with protecting their rears!
EDIT(S): spelling, grammar, punctuation
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
LOL.
Drunk marines making enough noise to trigger a police visit at 3:30 in the morning.
Do the math.
The cops probably were intimidated.
Do you think they just barged in and started tazering people?
Granted, it is possible but the odds are against it.
Drunk marines making enough noise to trigger a police visit at 3:30 in the morning.
Do the math.
The cops probably were intimidated.
Do you think they just barged in and started tazering people?
Granted, it is possible but the odds are against it.
These guys are active duty, and they weren't lippy with the cops until they saw their friends get beat up. This isn't a "Marine" response, it
should be the response of anyone who is watching their friends get man handled for answering some questions. What's sad is on the north county times
website the comments are so anti-military and they deserve it and blah blah blah...that's why i had to post it on here. We talk about our rights and
and that stuff every single day and regardless of how you think of the militay industrial complex..these people actually think they are fighting for
something for real...something for us. We can't celebrate that. Ok Ok granted it was really late. But there was no music...half the people were
sleep, and the rest were taking a smoke break about to leave or go to sleep. The night was over...then it extended. To be real about the
situation....the police violence was more disturbing then what they got called for. So the neighboors can call the cops about some footsteps but watch
people get beat up...no wonder we are about to be controlled in a one world government.
Originally posted by unlikelycandidate
I believe the country deserves to know, how are troops are being treated at home.
I don't think this is the worst of it. Alot of these men and women are getting into these wars, and coming home to nothing. Giving there lives and getting nothing back. Its becoming like the vets from the Vietnam war. I recommend the documentary The War Comes Home. Its sad but it shows how some of these people are ending up homeless.
Originally posted by unlikelycandidate
reply to post by Zosynspiracy
what part of the other side of the story do you want to know I will be glad to tell you.
I am certain the "side being reffered to here is the Cop's side and unless you are one of the police officers who were involved I doubt you could legitimatley tell any one their side of the story.
That said, I am really disgusted by the over usage of the tazer. Cop's seem to be gaining the impression that they are unstoppable and above the law, one day they are going to tazer the wrong guy and there butt's will be in a crack.
Anyone who calls it a non leathal weapon is mistaken, becaue it has killed, Calling it LESS lethal would be more appropriate.
I don't know, I have the feeling the marines were drunk and mouthing off, trying to act as if they didnt have to listen to what teh cops said, because they are marines. (that is just speculation though)
If it is really neccasary then go ahead and arrest people, but why has it almost become a requirment for someone to get electricuted if their are arrests involved. Over kill, man.... over kill.....
Originally posted by unlikelycandidate
These guys are active duty, and they weren't lippy with the cops until they saw their friends get beat up. This isn't a "Marine" response, it should be the response of anyone who is watching their friends get man handled for answering some questions. What's sad is on the north county times website the comments are so anti-military and they deserve it and blah blah blah...that's why i had to post it on here. We talk about our rights and and that stuff every single day and regardless of how you think of the militay industrial complex..these people actually think they are fighting for something for real...something for us.
I'm sure that they were NOT "lippy" to the gestap... Err, police. Like I said before, and I'm sure you can vouch... These Marines could have EASILY disarmed these clowns. Cops in Vista are on a total power trip... They were when I was stationed there, and apparently they are now.
I read the other comments in the NC Times, and I was seriously pissed! I guess the San Diego area still has the wool over their eyes, huh?
no wonder we are about to be controlled in a one world government.
...And who do you think will be some of the most effective and fierce fighters against all of this?
That's right... Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.
Semper Fi brother... Keep the faith. Tell Simpson and the others that many brothers "back east" heard about this today, and are pissed too. Hell, by tomorrow half of MCT at Geiger will know, RTR at the Island, as well as alot of Little Creek...
Good job Vista PD... You pissed off the wrong branch.
PS- I'm emailing this thread to Michael Savage, I hope he picks this story up and totally portrays these cowardly cops for what they are on a national stage.
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
Obviously the Marines did not assault the Police Officers.
There are no dead or critically injured Police Officers.
Anyone who does not understand this simple fact, has never dealt with a Marine!
Those Marines maintained discipline. The Police did not, they were out to show they had force on their side.
Had the Marines broken discipline, I wonder what the body count on both sides would have been?
The Police should undergo re-training to avoid future escalations where we find out the answer to that question.
You can only play that game so many times before it blows up in your face!
The Marines should put together a little demonstration film for purposes of educating the local police. Have a local police department vs marines war game, and let the bodies fall where they may.
[edit on 27-4-2009 by Cyberbian]
There are no dead or critically injured Police Officers.
Anyone who does not understand this simple fact, has never dealt with a Marine!
Those Marines maintained discipline. The Police did not, they were out to show they had force on their side.
Had the Marines broken discipline, I wonder what the body count on both sides would have been?
The Police should undergo re-training to avoid future escalations where we find out the answer to that question.
You can only play that game so many times before it blows up in your face!
The Marines should put together a little demonstration film for purposes of educating the local police. Have a local police department vs marines war game, and let the bodies fall where they may.
[edit on 27-4-2009 by Cyberbian]
Originally posted by Cyberbian
Obviously the Marines did not assault the Police Officers.
There are no dead or critically injured Police Officers.
Anyone who does not understand this simple fact, has never dealt with a Marine!
[edit on 27-4-2009 by Cyberbian]
EXACTLY my point!
It makes me wonder... Do the cops KNOW how lucky they are to be alive?
They must have taken a SWAT team.
Buncha Marys.
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
I really doubt we are going to get the complete truth in the matter. A bunch of drunk Marines claiming that they were fully coopertive and that what
set the events off was one Marine standing to tell what is going on? Really doubt that is all that happen.
1. What is there to explain, this is there second trip out there that night?
2. Why did he/she need to stand to explain? You was ordered to sit down.
I'm thinking that they are covering for each other. Being in the service I can appreciate that and probably would do the same thing.
1. What is there to explain, this is there second trip out there that night?
2. Why did he/she need to stand to explain? You was ordered to sit down.
I'm thinking that they are covering for each other. Being in the service I can appreciate that and probably would do the same thing.
Originally posted by cbianchi513
Originally posted by Cyberbian
Obviously the Marines did not assault the Police Officers.
There are no dead or critically injured Police Officers.
Anyone who does not understand this simple fact, has never dealt with a Marine!
[edit on 27-4-2009 by Cyberbian]
EXACTLY my point!
It makes me wonder... Do the cops KNOW how lucky they are to be alive?
They must have taken a SWAT team.
Buncha Marys.
[edit on 27/4/09 by cbianchi513]
Its attitudes like this that makes me doubt that they are completely innocent of any wrong doing.
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