Sunspots and Flu Pandemics: Implications of an Engineered Event

Originally posted by crichton13
Having a look into this further, I suspect that the source material for this 'Virus' came from Tunguska. Check out the BBC link somebody else posted and the dates involved between it's approximate 'impact' and the rise of the so-called "Spanish" Flu pandemic (it WAS a TRUE Pandemic because it crossed national Borders).

Back in those days, it would've taken a Virus MANY years to proliferate from the crash site thru to large, civilised areas of population.

Perhaps samples were taken of the lodestone Virus, kept on Ice and we are experiencing an accidental release.

Alternatively, we are experiencing a release of a genetically modified version (think about it - Genomes are being broken down and recorded EVERY SINGLE DAY) that has broken thru CDC and/or other Countries Govt or Private firewalls.

I think this website is based in the US, I am in the UK, check out the 1970's BBC TV series "Survivors" and all that it tried to extoll.

Only then will you understand how easy it would be for One Single Person, who is infected, to travel the Globe and infect the GLOBAL population.

The US CDC needs to quarantine Mexico ASAP.

John Crichton.

Um Tunduska in Russia - yet it originated in Spain...almost 10 years between the events.....strange post mate.



[edit on 25-4-2009 by audas]

What a better way to keep people from protesting and revolting than to have them afraid of crowds.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
During this time there is far less solar activity and less radiation from the Sun ...

Mutations in the influenza virus, and subsequent flu pandemics, correlate to sunspot peaks. During no less than 17 of the last solar cycles, sunspot peaks precede increased flu activity, including the 1918-19 "Spanish Flu" pandemic which followed a sunspot peak in 1917.

Sorry, Mike--if I'm reading this correctly, you're debunking your own idea. If I understand "sunspot peaks" to mean higher sunspot activities, then the notion of "no sunspots, so we've got weak immune systems" makes no sense.

Originally posted by audas
Oh I dont know, since the hottest century on record is this one, the hottest decade on record is the most recent, soooo what are you talking about ?

If you think there is some evidence - reasonable evidence from a reputable independent scientific source which shows global warming NOT to be man made - lets have it....otherwise you are just blowing a lot of hot air.

You have already been shown this, with a link to a "peer-reviewed scientific journal' and not a "book" yet you, like some others dismiss this because you read some "books" from a mammalogist...

During the late 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century the Sun's activity in general was at it's highest in over 1,000 years... The only one blowing hot air is you, and others like you.

Sunspot activity highest in 1,000 years, scientists say
Last Updated: Monday, November 3, 2003 | 3:31 PM ET
CBC News
The sun has been acting unusually lately, scientists say, with more sunspots recorded since the 1940s than in the previous millennium.
Scientists in Europe have reconstructed sunspot activity for the last 1,150 years and found that lately the sun has been showing a lot more activity.

Sunspots, the relatively dark patches on the surface of the sun, are an indication of intense magnetic activity on the inside.
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www.cbc.ca...

MAJOR MAGNETIC STORMS 1868-2007
ACCORDING TO THE AA* CRITERIA



Because of the difference in units of presentation, the values of AA* and Ap* are not the same so that different major magnetic storm onset and end threshold values are used for the two series. However their comparison for the years of overlapping coverage show that relative frequency of occurrence of major storms per year are similar. Another reason for differences is that an index derived from magnetic perturbation values at only two observatories easily experiences larger extreme values if either input site is well situated to the overhead ionospheric and.or field aligned current systems producing the magnetic storm effects. Although not documented here, it is interesting to note that the overall level of magnetic disturbance from year to year has increased substantially from a low around 1900 Also, the level of mean yearly aa is now much higher so that a year of minimum magnetic disturbances now is typically more disturbed than years at maximum disturbance levels before 1900.

www.ngdc.noaa.gov...

doi:10.1016/S1364-6826(01)00075-X


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Temperature variability in central Mexico and its possible association to solar activity


B. Mendoza, , a, A. Laraa, D. Maravillaa and E. Jáureguib

a Instituto de Geofísica UNAM, Ciudad Universitaria, Delegacion de Coyoacan, 04510 Mexico DF, Mexico

b Centro de Ciencias de la Atmósfera UNAM, Ciudad Universitaria, 04510 Mexico DF, Mexico


Received 12 April 2000; revised 15 March 2001; accepted 10 June 2001 Available online 21 November 2001.

Abstract
Minimum extreme temperature variability from five meteorological stations in the central part of Mexico covering a period from 1920 to 1990 is examined. We found a correlation coefficient (r=0.65) between these temperature records and geomagnetic activity. Furthermore, by performing spectral analysis peaks were obtained with similar periodicities to those found in the sunspot number, the magnetic solar cycle, cosmic ray fluxes and geomagnetic activity; all of these phenomena are modulated by solar activity. Signals with periodicities comparable to those observed in El Niño and the Quasi-Biennial Oscillation were also identified. We conclude that the solar signal is probably present in the minimum extreme temperature record of the central part of Mexico.

www.ciencedirect.com

Presentation Time: 1:50 PM-2:10 PM

Seasonal Climate Records Preserved In Limpet Shells (Patella vulgata) from Bronze Age, Neolithic, and Viking Shell Middens, Scotland, UK
SURGE, Donna, Geological Sciences, University of North Carolina, 104 South Road, CB #3315, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, [email protected], BARRETT, James H., The McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, University of Cambridge, Downing Street, Cambridge, CB2 3ER, England, MILNER, Nicky, Department of Archaeology, University of York, The Kings Manor, York, YO1 7EP, England, and MITHEN, Steven, School of Human and Environmental Science, University of Reading, Whiteknights, PO Box 227, Reading, RG6 6AB, England
Climate archives contained in shells of the European limpet, Patella vulgata, from archaeological shell middens can potentially provide much needed information about seasonality in mid-latitude coastal areas prior to the complicating effects of industrialization. P. vulgata shells are common in the Bronze Age/Neolithic and Viking middens accumulated in cave deposits on the Isle of Mull and in coastal deposits in the Orkney Islands, Scotland (respectively). Radiocarbon dates and artifacts place the cave deposit between 3300 BC and 500 AD and the Viking middens between 800 and 1200 AD. The latter interval coincides with the Medieval Warm Period. The earlier cold interval (the Vandal Minimum: 500-800 AD) is not represented in either deposit.

Previous investigation determined that oxygen isotope ratios in P. vulgata shells record seasonal growth temperature, and therefore can be used as a proxy for sea surface temperature. Isotopic analysis of shells dating to the 9th/10th century reveals similar winter and summer temperature relative to today. Based on a published oxygen isotope record from a speleothem in southwestern Ireland, we predict that shells from the Bronze Age and Neolithic cave deposit will reflect an early transition from cool conditions to a brief interval of warming followed by an extended cool interval from ~4500-3000 BP and ending with a warm interval that coincides with the Roman Warm Period.

2008 Joint Meeting of The Geological Society of America, Soil Science Society of America, American Society of Agronomy, Crop Science Society of America, Gulf Coast Association of Geological Societies with the Gulf Coast Section of SEPM
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Session No. 326
Geochemical and Geoarchaeological Analysis of Shell Middens: Climate, Ecology, and Culture
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Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs, Vol. 40, No. 6, p. 521

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CfA Press Release

Release No.: 03-10
For Release: March 31, 2003

20th Century Climate Not So Hot
Cambridge, MA - A review of more than 200 climate studies led by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has determined that the 20th century is neither the warmest century nor the century with the most extreme weather of the past 1000 years. The review also confirmed that the Medieval Warm Period of 800 to 1300 A.D. and the Little Ice Age of 1300 to 1900 A.D. were worldwide phenomena not limited to the European and North American continents. While 20th century temperatures are much higher than in the Little Ice Age period, many parts of the world show the medieval warmth to be greater than that of the 20th century.

Smithsonian astronomers Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas, with co-authors Craig Idso and Sherwood Idso (Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change) and David Legates (Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware), compiled and examined results from more than 240 research papers published by thousands of researchers over the past four decades. Their report, covering a multitude of geophysical and biological climate indicators, provides a detailed look at climate changes that occurred in different regions around the world over the last 1000 years.

"Many true research advances in reconstructing ancient climates have occurred over the past two decades," Soon says, "so we felt it was time to pull together a large sample of recent studies from the last 5-10 years and look for patterns of variability and change. In fact, clear patterns did emerge showing that regions worldwide experienced the highs of the Medieval Warm Period and lows of the Little Ice Age, and that 20th century temperatures are generally cooler than during the medieval warmth."

Soon and his colleagues concluded that the 20th century is neither the warmest century over the last 1000 years, nor is it the most extreme. Their findings about the pattern of historical climate variations will help make computer climate models simulate both natural and man-made changes more accurately, and lead to better climate forecasts especially on local and regional levels. This is especially true in simulations on timescales ranging from several decades to a century.

www.cfa.harvard.edu...

I could keep going and post dozens, upon dozens of research from all over the world which state the same thing, but I think i made my point.

The Sun was at it's highest activity during the late 20th century until about 2006, when it's conveyor belt slowed to a crawl, and has been slowing more, and more since then.

Since the oceans of the world constitution 70% + of the Earth surface, and since they are the greatest storage of heat of Earth, they had been storing heat from all those decades when we had the Sun at it's highest activity in over 1,000 years. Now, slowly but surely the oceans have been releasing more, and more of this stored heat, and more and more extreme weather events of both, cold, and hot have been occurring, but if this continues we will be seeing more, and more Cold events until we get in another Little Ice Age, unless the Sun's activity increases once again.

I don't want to derail this thread so i won't post the dozens, upon dozens of such research which disagrees with the claims of some.

Back to the original topic of the thread.

As I stated in another thread, it could be argued that because of the Sun's low activity, the Earth is receiving more radiation from extra-solar objects which could cause mutations.

But this was surely engineered, as to who made it we can only guess.

We have had recently several "incidents" in which vials of live flu virus strains have either gone missing, or were "mistakenly sent to Europe, even with all the security protocols which makes this impossible, etc.



[edit on 26-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by juan_galto


What I was correlating was sunspot peaks with antigenic mutations. There is good support for this and it has been recognized by members of the scientific community.

What I am proposing is that since we are at the exact opposite of a peak yet we are having an outbreak, it is implied that the mutations are of a manmade origin.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
In 2008 we began to enter what appears to be a deep solar minimum.
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Which leads to a question with frightening implications.

What mutated H1N1?

Without the high solar activity and radiation to mutate Influenza A, we have a serious problem. One that implies the epidemic in Mexico is a man made event.
One that implies the virus was engineered.

No, the deep solar minimum started as early as 2006.

There was an article from NASA, but the link is broken now, but here is part of what it said, this is from 2006.

NASA - Long Range Solar ForecastMay 10, 2006: The Sun's Great Conveyor Belt has slowed to a record-low crawl, ... (Science@NASA) Solar activity can be surprisingly good for astronauts. ...
science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm - 29k

www.google.com...

Scientists studying the Sun noticed that back in 2006 the Sun's conveyor belt had slowed down to a crawl, and it seems to be going more, and more into a deep minimum.

This could be the calm before the storm, which I know will happen within few years, or the Sun could stay in this deep Solar minimum which would put us in another LIA (Little Ice Age) or worse, an Ice Age.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Interesting if solar minima actually started in 2006. It proved a divine intervention.

Our heliosphere and magnetosphere are collapsing. It's not the right time for earth to suffer. God knows it and the sun goes dim.

Isn't it beautiful to see the works of God?

reply to post by MikeboydUS

An observed correlation does not necessarily indicate causation. There is no reason to make a connection between solar radiation levels and genetic changes in influenza viruses.There is very little increase in solar radiation during solar max.

These satellite instruments suggest a variation in annual mean TSI of the order 0.08% (or about 1.1 Wm-2) between minimum and maximum of the 11-year solar cycle.

Source
This slight variation is further dampened by the magnetosphere and atmosphere. The net result is that there really is essentially no change as experienced on the Earth's surface. It is the solar wind which kicks into high gear during solar max but that is not radiation.

Hoyle and Wickramasinghe (who looked for and found the correlation with the flu) did not propose that solar radiation produced mutations in existing strains. Their theory was that the increased solar wind during solar max forced new, space borne, viruses into the atmosphere. They didn't know much about genetics.

I realize that this doesn't negate your theory but the fact is that influenza viruses are constantly mutating. Each year, solar max or solar min, produces a new wave of influenza infection, some of which are more virulent than others.

There is no shortage of deadly outbreaks during periods of low solar activity. In 2002, a period of low activity, saw a deadly outbreak in Madagascar. In 2005, the outbreak of H5N1 was rapidly spreading. There is no indication that the current outbreak is anything other than another naturally occurring mutation, something the flu is very good at doing all by itself.

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Originally posted by TheWayISeeIt
Great research! S&F!

I am going to add a link that someone posted on antoher thread here, which I think may address your question.

Army criminal investigators are looking into the possibility that disease samples are missing from biolabs at Fort Detrick.
As first reported in today's

Link

This story was broken by a local newspapers investigative journalist two days before this Flu story hit the news.

Coincidence, me thinks not.

The problem with this is that they don't know when the vials went missing, there is a good chance it was before 2004 and an even greater possibility that they were destroyed.

It is unlikely that this flu virus has been created as, as many of you have already stated, it is pretty good at mutating without any help. Strains of Swine, avian and human influenza are combined when such animals are kept together in close quarters, for example in asia, where ducks and pigs are present in many rural back yards and town markets, together with humans. It jumps from duck to pig to human quite easily.

I don't pretend to know how that happens but it is a well known fact that it does, and that it causes a great deal of problems when it does.

The scary thing about influenza is that it is not technically alive. It is just a string of DNA or RNA with a protein casing that takes over our cells to replicate itself and even can mess with our own DNA as the Mexican Virus and Spanish Virus seems to do. How can a non living thing do that? The mind boggles.

Now to go back to a virus being created or not: I am not sure if it is relevant as influenza mutates easily and often and if it is created it could be done in the name of research, to prevent a pandemic from happening.

I think a more relevant question is: Has it been released on purpose or not? There I have to emphatically say no. The reason being is that it is not easily controlled. Who dies or not is pot luck and as influenza easily mutates, it is hard to immunize yourself against it. The Powers that Be are therefore just as susceptible to getting deadly flu as the protesters in the street. What would the point be to release an uncontrollable virus if it could be you, the Man, who is dying by drowning in your own blood.

Originally posted by audas
Um Tunduska in Russia - yet it originated in Spain...almost 10 years between the events.....strange post mate.
[edit on 25-4-2009 by audas]

The 1918 flu pandemic or "Spanish flu" came from the far east, not spain. It was only called Spanish flu as thats where and how most of the world came to know about it, as spain were not part of world war one and therefore had no press tied down with orders.

The first recorded world wide event of Spanish flu, was in Kansas USA.

UNEXPECTED SOLAR ACTIVITY:

The sun produced an unexpected burst of activity on April 23rd when an enormous prominence rose over the northeastern limb and erupted. A coronal mass ejection (CME) billowed away from the blast site, but the billion-ton cloud is not heading toward Earth.

spaceweather.com...

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Originally posted by 4th-Density
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THE ONLY DEFENSES TO THIS VIRUS ARE THE FOLLOWING
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#1 - COLLOIDAL SILVER American Biotech Labs
Look at the "Congressional Testimony" link and the "Reasearch" link.

and while you're at it, have a teaspoon of mercury twice a day. it will do wonders in getting you rid of any symptoms!

disclaimer: mercury is deadly in very small doses. do not ingest! same goes for colloidal silver.

Originally posted by DarkSecret

Originally posted by 4th-Density
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THE ONLY DEFENSES TO THIS VIRUS ARE THE FOLLOWING
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#1 - COLLOIDAL SILVER American Biotech Labs
Look at the "Congressional Testimony" link and the "Reasearch" link.

and while you're at it, have a teaspoon of mercury twice a day. it will do wonders in getting you rid of any symptoms!

disclaimer: mercury is deadly in very small doses. do not ingest! same goes for colloidal silver.

Mercury and Colloidal Silver are Apples and Oranges...Mercury is Deadly...I have already been taking Colloidal Silver for a Couple of Years now...So effectively based on your "Assumption" I should be "Dead" by now.......do a little more reading and you might actually learn something useful...other than regurgitating what "BrainWashed" doctor's tell you...

good luck to you...as those that "gain knowledge" can protect themselves...those that don't...can't...

reply to post by 4th-Density


Silver may not be dangerous in the levels it's used in colloidal silver but it is about as beneficial to your health as bottled water.

Which is all it is in reality...water with extra silver.

I heard vitamin C and garlic help to stave off a flu.

Originally posted by MsSmartypants
Here is the link

news.bbc.co.uk...

They are hoping to help control any future pandemic and believe that the strain may hold clues that will help them.

The question is are they hoping to control it before or after they release it...

"Many influenza virologists remain nervous about creating and experimenting with a reconstructed 1918 Spanish flu virus, an extremely dangerous virus which disappeared from the world long ago.

It is too bad that the many have no control over the few.

Now maybe the many should start looking at what caused it to disappear the last time and maybe they can undo the mess that the few are determined to unleash on our planet.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by 4th-Density

 

Silver may not be dangerous in the levels it's used in colloidal silver but it is about as beneficial to your health as bottled water.

Which is all it is in reality...water with extra silver.

I heard vitamin C and garlic help to stave off a flu.

Yes...Vitamin C and Garlic can also help...but most of the Vitamin C sold on the shelves delivers nowhere near is stated dose in Milligrams...2 full grams of Pharmaceutical Vitamin C will definitely begin to loosen up the Bowels to those that are not used to it....

As to your comment about 10ppm of Colloidal Silver being ineffective...you have obviously not read the In Vivo/Vitro studies and all of the "Ancecdotal" Evidence surrounding Colloidal Silver...it does not allow Virus/Bacteria to Mutate...it kills it at the very 'Core' of the Cell from the inside out...I have not had a Cold or Flu in the past 2 years...while everybody else around me has been dropping like fly's to a nasty cold/flu that has just recently sprung up...

It is up to everyone to do their own research...I am just saying that based on my research over the last couple of years...I have not found anything else on the market that even comes close to the efficacy of "Colloidal Silver"....

reply to post by 4th-Density


My research was done by 2 aunts and my Grandmother, they bought into the whole colloidal silver gimmick, bought the books the kits etc.

They gave it a good run but in the end, saw no results and no changes.