I'm 99% sure America is being set up to look like Nazi Germany.

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The organizing of the NWO is not about money, it is about the consolidation of power and control. If you follow the paper trail you will discover that the highest ranking people in the bilderberg group are ex nazi SS officers. Nazi's have also infiltrated the illuminati and seeing as how their 2 agendas were very similar it was not hard for them to gain controll over their movement. Look at NASA some of the most influential people are ex nazi's. It is a re-unification (albeit slowly) of the nazi party (in secret). Don't take my word for it, follow the trail...there is overwhelming evidence of all this once you know which paper trail to start following.

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Absolutely, it is about power, I think we can both agree on that.

But also, I think we both have to agree that without one, there can't be the other. Absolute wealth is absolute power. I just can't see the motivation in changing the current model when it's doing the job, for an unknown.


AB1

Democracy is just a code word for large scale capitalism.

So whatever you call it, it does help the economy out. And no...the debt is not part of capitalism, it is by the fools currently running it in OUR country.

European nations are not that far behind America regarding politics though. Can't take a picture of a police officer?

And just look at China.

America is just lowering its standards for human decency as a whole because apparently we were doing too good of a job...

But we are far from a Nazi like state. We do have the Obama extremists that will go to anything to hear him and praise him, but we are not at the end yet...

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I have been trying to figure a way to ask this question for a long time,very good but no real answer yet.I will watch this thread to see if some one can really explain why anyone would kill the Goose that was laying the golden eggs.

The people that emply that "THEY" have enough money and want to rid the earth of people in order to turn back the clock and save the planet is understandable to a point,one can only imagine what the planet would be like with 6 Billion less people.The problem with this idea is the only ones left would be the insane ones who did it.

Yea , Why don't we just use truth serums?

Don't they work 100% of the time ????????

Why has this never been mentioned in the media ?

These questions are important and must be answered if we are to find the real truth.

Can anybody who knows more than I tell us all why truth serums are not used instead?

I think that the topic of this thread is nail on the head accurate. IMO. If you don't think so get a little dissent in you and do a little reading, and I think more people will see what is going...hopefully before it's too late anyway.

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Yea , Why don't we just use truth serums?

Don't they work 100% of the time ????????

Why has this never been mentioned in the media ?

These questions are important and must be answered if we are to find the real truth.

Can anybody who knows more than I tell us all why truth serums are not used instead?

They make you drunk to the point of passing out, but if you are bent on lying you will not tell the truth... don't you read your MKULTRA? haha

BTW, multiculture and national socialism don't mix. At all.

Alright, there are a few things about this discussion that are kind of off. First, are we thinking that it will be similar to Nazi Germany by virtue of the policies of that regime or just because of the structure. Let me elaborate:

If you say that we are resembling Nazi Germany: are Americans going to start being shipped off by the hundreds of thousands to death camps? Look, I believe in the FEMA Camps as a containment method, but do you actually believe that there is a plan to kill a bunch of people? Likewise, everyone claimed Bush was a Nazi... now Obama is a Nazi... though some of their policies are similar... a LOT are not. So, are they all in cahoots?

If you say that the structures of the government is coming closer to what Nazi Germany looked like, I would agree with you. America is looking closer to National Socialism. This doesn't mean that we will adopt the demonstrably evil aspects of the Nazi Party. Fascism has been an accepted government style since ancient times. I'm not defending it, but it's not something unique to 1930s Germany.

So, in my opinion, we should really stop making the Nazi analogies. Most people will not believe them, even if its true. This is because of the stigma attached to Nazism, and the fact that most people believe that could never happen again. Rather, we need to make people see, even if you think there are some Nazi elements in current policies, that the government has stopped representing them. This is the only way to curtail the growth of the government: popular dissatisfaction.

So, I'd agree with the premise of the thread, but urge caution in terms.

Originally posted by Battleline
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I have been trying to figure a way to ask this question for a long time,very good but no real answer yet.I will watch this thread to see if some one can really explain why anyone would kill the Goose that was laying the golden eggs.

The people that emply that "THEY" have enough money and want to rid the earth of people in order to turn back the clock and save the planet is understandable to a point,one can only imagine what the planet would be like with 6 Billion less people.The problem with this idea is the only ones left would be the insane ones who did it.

From what Ive researched before joining ATS gives me a very clear picture on their Motivation for all of this.
If you havent already I would suggest you watch 7videos of Phil Schneider who exposed his job as a former government Geologist & Engineer....he worked to build the UNDERRGROUND Facilities & came into contact with ET's or whatever you choose to call them. NOTE: He was KILLED after making these Videos.
www.youtube.com...

NOW, Im not saying you have to believe everything this guy is saying, but so you get an UNDERSTANDING for what this NEXT GUY Bill Schnoebelen has to say---HE was an EX-Member of the ILLUMINATI who use to be into SATANTISM/Witchcraft. He warns about their "PLAN" to take over has been pre-mediated for YEARS!

www.youtube.com...

video.google.com...

video.google.com...

Also, before anyone thinks this is impossible...After I mentioned this on another Forum, a Refiance dude that SAME DAY came over to our house to "SIGN" papers. Well, I notice he was wearing the SQUARE & COMPASS SYMBOL with the letter "G" in the middle. So my husband asked him,"What does that mean?" and he says bluntly that hes a member of the "MASON'S."

So what do you think about that?

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
Well, it sucks to be you... And I mean that in a humble way.

Because Life is kinda hard for me right now... But Life might be great for you at the moment.

But if you are on ATS and you are trying to discover the truth... It sucks to be you.

incompetent? Keep believeing that theory and you will never get the truth.

No need to be demeaning. I've done my fair amount of research into 9/11 as well, and I don't believe the Government was totally behind the attacks. I believe they knew of the impending attacks, our own intelligence backed by foreign intelligence corroborates with this part of the story... but they intentionally ignored the warnings because they knew what the implications could be if the attack actually happened; an easy excuse to expand their friends' fortunes in a new territory.

One thing you said in the OP though, which I have wondered ever since before the Iraq War even began, is why they didn't plant any WMD's in Iraq. Seriously, something like that could be pulled off so easily I've been left scratching my head why it wasn't done many times.

And I think (also) that 1984 was a blueprint for what they're trying to do.

Yeah, they are lovely folk, eh?

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
Democracy is just a code word for large scale capitalism.

Um... Democracy is a political system, while Capitalism is an economic system.

Democracy can exist with Capitalism, Communism, or most any economic setup. And Capitalism can function under Fascism, Rebublicanism, Monarchy, Democracy, or virtually any political system.

So I will guess that your statement above is incorrect.

It seems like a lot of people are reading the opening post like "TPTB are turning America into Nazi Germany because they want total control". Correct me if I'm wrong, Doomsday, but aren't you saying something more like "TPTB are turning America into Nazi Germany not because they want to be in control, but so they can shut it down from the outside and then really be in control"?

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S&F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ive been trying to get people all around me to realize what the #! is going on here.

Hitler burned down Reichdag, Bush allowed people to knock down the Twin Towers then was even caught lying on national television!!!!!!

1. Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office. 2. Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster, in Hitler’s case the Reichstag fire, in Bush’s case the 9-11 catastrophe. 3. Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations. 4. Like Hitler, Bush has increased his popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies. Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany’s military buildup, Bush has used Al Qaeda and the so-called Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup. Paradoxically none of the nations in this axis--Iraq, Iran and North Korea--have had anything to do with each other. 5. Like Hitler, Bush has promoted militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties). First he used war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis. Now he turns to the very same corporations to rebuild Iraq, again without competitive bidding and at extravagant profit levels. 6. Like Hitler, Bush displays great populist enthusiasm in his patriotic speeches, but primarily serves wealthy investors who subsidize his election campaigns and share with him their comfortable lifestyle. As he himself jokes, he treats these individuals at the pinnacle of our economy as his true political “base.” 7. Like Hitler, Bush envisages our nation’s unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God. Just as Hitler did for Germany, he takes pride in his “providential” role in spreading his version of Americanism throughout the entire world. 8. Like Hitler, Bush promotes a future world order that guarantees his own nation’s hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations). 9. Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he offers generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City. The same goes for U.S. domestic programs. Once Bush was elected, many leaders of these programs learned to dread his making any kind of an appearance to praise their success, since this was almost inevitably followed by severe cuts in their budgets. 10. Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court. 11. Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth. Bush and his spokesmen argued, for example, that they had taken every measure possible to avoid war, than an invasion of Iraq would diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat against the U.S., that Iraq was linked with Al Qaeda, and that nothing whatsoever had been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. invasion plans. All of this was false. They also insisted that Iraq hid numerous weapons it did not possess since the mid-190s, and they refused to acknowledge the absence of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the early nineties. As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accused others of deception and evasiveness. 12. Like Hitler, Bush incessantly shifted his arguments to justify invading Iraq--from Iraq’s WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of Iraqi democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat. As soon as one excuse for the war was challenged, Bush advanced to another, but only to shift back again at another time. 13. Like Hitler, Bush and his cohorts emphasize the ruthlessness of their enemies in order to justify their own. Just as Hitler cited the threat of communist violence to justify even greater violence on the part of Germany, the bush team justified the invasion of Iraq by emphasizing Hussein’s crimes against humanity over the past twenty-five years. However, these crimes were for the most part committed when Iraq was a client-ally of the U.S. Our government supplied Hussein with illegal weapons (poison gas included), and there were sixty U.S. advisors in Iraq when these weapons were put to use (see NY Times, Aug. 18, 1992). U.S. aid to Iraq was actually doubled afterwards despite disclaimers from Washington that our nation opposed their use. President Reagan’s special envoy Donald Rumsfeld personally informed Hussein of this one hundred percent increment during one of his two trips to Iraq at the time. He also told Hussein not to take U.S. disclaimers seriously. 14. Like Hitler, Bush takes pride in his status as a “War President,” and his global ambition makes him perhaps the most dangerous president in our nation’s history, a “rogue” chief executive capable of waging any number of illegal preemptive wars. He fully acknowledges his willingness to engage in wars of “choice” as well as wars of necessity. Sooner or later this choice will oblige universal conscription as well as a full-scale war economy. 15. Like Hitler, Bush continues to pursue war without cutting back on the peacetime economy. Additional to unprecedented low interest rates bestowed by the Federal Reserve, he has actually cut federal taxes twice by substantial amounts, especially for the top one percent of U.S. taxpayers, while conducting an expensive invasion and an even more expensive occupation of a hostile nation. As a result, President Clinton’s $350 billion budget surplus has been reduced to a $450 billion deficit, comprising an unprecedented $800 billion decline in less than four years. At the same time the U.S. dollar has steadily dropped against currencies of both Europe and Japan. 16. Like Hitler, Bush possesses a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations. With the extra financing obliged by the defeat and occupation of Iraq, Bush now relies on a “defense” budget well in excess of the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world. Moreover, the $416 billion defense package passed last week by Congress will probably need to be supplemented before the end of the year. 17. Like Hitler, bush depends on an axis of collaborative allies, which he describes as a “coalition of the willing,” in order to give the impression of a broad popular alliance. These allies include the U.K. as compared to Mussolini’s Italy, and Spain and Bulgaria, as compared to, well, Spain and Bulgaria, both of which were aligned with Germany during the thirties and World War II. As a result of their cooperation, Prime Minister Blair’s diplomatic reputation has been ruined in England, and a surprising election defeat has produced an unfriendly government in Spain. The Philippines have withdrawn their troops from Iraq to save the life of a hostage, and other defections can be expected in the near future.

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In my humble opinion this is where most people start to get rightly confused.

Yes if you follow the paper trail it will show a very direct and real link between the Nazis in the 30's and the American Powers that Be many of whom happen to be of German descent.

But if you keep following the paper trail back you will first see that the United States of America is part of the Holy Roman and Roman Empires.

If you keep following the paper trail back far enough you will see that Charlemagne King of the Franks aka the Germans set up the Holy Roman Empire and became the guarantor of Papal safety and that the Holy Roman Empire had at it's Capitol Berlin.

Charlemagne known as Charles 1 was King of France (Versailles sure seems to pop up in just about every treaty huh?) and King of Germany and Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire.

It was Charlemagne that basically set up the system of commerce, diplomacy, and Law that governs most nations today including our own.

His descendants including the last Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire was at that time the King of England that granted us our independence in the United States by simply incorporating us into the Roman Empire and it was no accident that our government was modeled off of the Roman Republic.

We essentially had two choices allow the King to appoint as a Prince Elector a King of the United States of America as part and parcel of the confederation of the Holy Roman Empire or to found a Republic based on Roman principals and Rome.

The reality is that unbeknownst to most people the Roman Empire itself never ended even when the Holy Roman Empire sprang to life.

If you follow the paper trail back far enough you will find there is still one tiny country which is a sovereign principality inside of Italy that never ceased being an independent Roman state.

So even though the Holy Roman Empire crumbled on Paper in the early 1800's the Roman Empire is alive and doing quite well and the United States of America is contractually part of it and has been since day one.

Seborga is that country and it is the reputed resting place of the Imperial Sceptre of the Roman and Holy Roman Empire and only has 200 hundred inhabitants in it's capital of what is essentially only a 2.5 square mile nation that has had from the time of Charlemagne the contractual right to maintain an Island Nation to protect it's sovereignty.

That Island Nation is the United States of America which is evidenced in how the Treaty of Ghent ending the war of 1812 was signed.

Think Seborga couldn't possibly be worth much? It has the highest exchange rate for it's minted currency in the world!

Think Seborga doesn't rate in the scheme of things? It was the Holiest place in Rome since the early days of the Republic and it's little hill has over 40,000 religious iconic cave and rock paintings dating from the early days of Republic through Christ.

Think Seborga has nothing to do with Christ? They founded a little organization known as the Poor Knights of Christ also known as the Knights Templar the first international banking corporation and the founding principals behind the Law through the York Rites Temple in London in the 1100's that if you are an Attorney with an Esquire as your Title you are very much a part of.

Oh yeah they don't just have the Imperial Sceptre, the have the Holy Sepulcher as well. It is where the Templars carried of Christ's remains along with the Shroud of Turin that rested there as well until the Templars gave it up likely to prove that they possessed Christ's remains.

The United States of America is not what you think it is and has never been what you think it is.

Founded by Masons...Templars...decreed into law by a Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire at the court in Versailles that same court that deals with Germany a lot!

We really aren't the Nazis, the Nazis where just another Roman legion.

13, as in the 13 colonies, the 13 stars and stripes, the 13 blocks in the pyramid, happens to be Caesar's undefeated immortal 13th Legion.

The inscription around the pyramid is in Latin the tongue of Rome and says clearly we have succeeded in our endeavor New World Order.

Think about it Fascist Italy, Fascist Germany bankrolled by the City States of Washington D.C. and London? The Vatican helping to smuggle Nazi's out of Germany?

We aren't Nazis we are Romans!

The still alive and kicking almost now darn complete Roman Empire that set out to conquer the world.

Follow the whole paper trail!

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Unlike Hitler, Bush did not start a worldwar

America and Israel will be spiritually targetted as the bad guys, its the way it is, but at the same time you have God's blessing, look how well America has done, how much food you have the entertainment and progress that helps the rest of the world. Look don't worry for now.

People blame the Jews for being wealthy, well maybe as the minority they are they are blessed by God as a people as God has intended. Why don't we have the same ritch Chinese or Africans or South Americans in porpotions as successful as Jews per population? Why are the Jewish so inventive in science, film and sucessful with money. Arabs also have some blessing as the Bible also mentions but they will always hate their cousins the Jews.

So all in all America is a blessed for supporting Israel according to the Bible scripture and those who oppose it are in tatters are they not?

People are blaming the Jews because spiritually they are void and jealous of their success, they are not even that many in population in the world and yet they scare everyone. They are not scared of Jews but God who works through them and Americans should be proud not jealous, its because man has a hard trouble with God that we automatically take it out on them without knowing why.



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Not necessarily Wachstum, were on the brink of a holy war which is by all means carried out by the Bush Administration sticking their nose in everybodys business.

Originally posted by Thenisia
Naomi Wolf's End of America tells exactly how Bush is taking the exact same steps as Hitler did when he began convincing people that what he was doing was right and getting people to agree with him, and so forth. I suggest the OP read this is he believes our gov't is being portrayed as Nazi Germany.

Funny. I don't remember Hitler handing over control of Germany to another leader, and retiring to his ranch. When did that happen?

I suggest that you have a look at the history of pre-Nazi Germany, and compare it to our past eight years (and to our present situation). The similarities are frightening. You have the erosion of civil rights, in favor of the military and Big Business. There is the illegal detention of prisoners without charges, without trial, without recourse to the legal system. There is the scapegoat minority - Muslims this time, instead of Jews. We've even got a hard recession going on. During Hitler's rise, we had the Great Depression.

This stuff is happening. It's not being fabricated by our enemies, we're doing it, and admitting to doing it. We're trying to *justify* it, not to hide or deny it. No one's setting us up to look bad. We're doing it all on our own. We've become a rogue state, answerable to no one.

I can only hope that Obama honors his campaign promises, and isn't just another cog in the Military-Industrial Complex or Big Politics. Maybe he can turn this country around. If not, then I suspect that the US will make Nazi Germany look like the Care Bears.