Credible UFO Quotes by prominent individuals.

originally posted by: JimOberg


What I've argued is the opposite -- that evidence offered to prove such a presence, particularly the spaceflight related stories, fails to establish the requirement for ET presence.

The evidence is pretty clear. You have to re-read the cases once again. You're uninformed or just denying it.

As a matter of fact, I have provided a particular case in several threads that cannot be explained by reasonable means. You chose to ignore it because...?

The only caveat to Cooper's account
is the fact that his photog partner wouldn't
ADMIT that a disc landed right in front of them
at Edwards AFB. Pressure from above I suspect.

Besides incredulity, Cooper's demeanor when
recounting this incident appears no different
than any other account he's given about ordinary
pilot/ astronaut happenings.
There's aliens in them thar hills, Jim.
And we all know you know..you know ?

a reply to: karl 12

Why are these people credible? Because they hold high positions in society, military and so forth?


Now we are playing the same game the rich and government play...dividing people into sections of credibility or worthiness.

Their word means nothing to me or at least no more than one of the people who has given his/her version of something they saw or encountered.

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: JimOberg


What I've argued is the opposite -- that evidence offered to prove such a presence, particularly the spaceflight related stories, fails to establish the requirement for ET presence.

The evidence is pretty clear. You have to re-read the cases once again. You're uninformed or just denying it.

As a matter of fact, I have provided a particular case in several threads that cannot be explained by reasonable means. You chose to ignore it because...?

You know, you're not really engaging in a conversation with me, you seem to be talking to an imaginary sock=puppet caricature designed to make yourself look smarter. Not my choice in ego games. Got other favorites.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
The only caveat to Cooper's account
is the fact that his photog partner wouldn't
ADMIT that a disc landed right in front of them
at Edwards AFB. Pressure from above I suspect.

That's the impenetrable wall of defiant ignorance, a self-vaccination
against inconvenient realities. Don't like what the witnesses [more
than one] are saying -- easy, 'suspect' they are lying.

Do you believe Cooper's story about his 1963 Mercury-9 UFO
encounter?

Do you believe Cooper's story about saving the shuttle program from
a lethal design flaw by relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens?

Heck, just stick to spaceflight stuff. Do you believe Cooper's dramatic
story about flying through a meteor storm that banged dents into the
skin of his capsule? Do you believe Cooper's story about taking out-the-window
photos on his last spaceflight where you could read auto license plates?

How far does your trust-his-say-so-alone really go? If he told you about a can't lose
aviation start-up project that he had verified and invested in, would you run out and
immediately hand them your life savings?

originally posted by: JimOberg
You know, you're not really engaging in a conversation with me, you seem to be talking to an imaginary sock=puppet caricature designed to make yourself look smarter. Not my choice in ego games. Got other favorites.

It's what's commonly referred to as a "straw man", and to quote a prominent one:

"I would not be just a nothin' my head all full of stuffin' My heart all full of pain. I would dance and be merry, life would be a ding-a-derry, If I only had a brain."

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: JackHill

originally posted by: JimOberg


What I've argued is the opposite -- that evidence offered to prove such a presence, particularly the spaceflight related stories, fails to establish the requirement for ET presence.

The evidence is pretty clear. You have to re-read the cases once again. You're uninformed or just denying it.

As a matter of fact, I have provided a particular case in several threads that cannot be explained by reasonable means. You chose to ignore it because...?

You know, you're not really engaging in a conversation with me, you seem to be talking to an imaginary sock=puppet caricature designed to make yourself look smarter. Not my choice in ego games. Got other favorites.

Chose to ignore. As I thought. Not very smart, I must say.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

Don't know about education mate but did think astrophysicst Bernard Haisch made a good point here.

"I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic.

Dr. Bernard Haisch
Director for the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics

Also thought these two were relevant.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Herbert Spencer, British philosopher



"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it"

Upton Sinclair

originally posted by: projectbane


Why are these people credible?

Actually mate the title of the thread says they are 'prominent'.

originally posted by: projectbane

Because they hold high positions in society, military and so forth?

Yes lots of prominent people in the world's military, government and police force have said some pretty remarkable things about the UFO subject.

originally posted by: karl 12


Jemoeder, it's a shame the pilot in this case didn't take photographs of the three disc shaped objects near his aircraft but at least they were confirmed on radar by Mexico City Airport flight control.

"Well, it was something I experienced and it was real. An incident that I am still at a loss to explain. I don’t know where they [the objects] came from, or what their intentions were. Sometimes I think they were curious and that they approached us for this reason, although it could also be that they saved me from some unpleasant situation. The small plane looked good, but it was very old, from 1958. So who knows? Maybe it was about to stall in mid-air, or I was about to lose a wing or the tail section. Or have some other accident...I don’t know

They had no antennae. They had opaque grey fuselages and a sort of windshield, but without rivets and completely smooth.. What I would like to make clear is that my personal and professional reputation is safe thanks to the testimony of air traffic controllers. They had the three objects on their screens, making 270-degree turns in a very tight radius of action".

Aircraft Pilot Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel

Following on from this statement here's Air Traffic Controller Julio Cesar Diaz who was on duty at the radar terminal when the pilot radioed in stating that he was surrounded by UFOs - it features actual tape recordings of the transmissions and the ATC also mentions how one of the objects made 'a sharp 270 degree left turn in a radius of only 3 to 4 miles' which was a maneuver never witnessed by him or any of his colleagues before.

Pilot Carlos reported seeing three mysterious flying object when he flew his small plane near Mexico City. For the first time air traffic controller Julio Cesar Diaz talks about what he saw on his radar flying near Carlos' plane.

UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed.

^ Anyone wanting to discuss the specific case can they please visit the relevant thread as to not go off topic - ta.

That's the impenetrable wall of defiant ignorance, a self-vaccination against inconvenient realities.

a reply to: JimOberg

At last a topic you can speak about, the impenetrable wall of defiant ignorance, a self- vaccination against inconvenient realities.

After all, you have offered conventional "explanations" for hundreds of UFO sightings and alien encounters, but by your own admission, not one eyewitness ever agreed with you that your "explanation" was what they actually saw.
Am I mistaken about that? I certainly don't want to say anything that is untrue.
I believe you admitted that you never once even sought out the actual witnesses of the UFO sightings you "explained away".
Am I correct on that too?

I've asked you repeatedly to name one UFO sighting that you are convinced was extraterrestrial, but you have dodged that question repeatedly. I doubt you'll give a substantial answer here as well.

You're deeply involved in CSICOP, a debunker organization that is notorious for allegations of falsified data and moving the goalposts to insure failure for anything paranormal.
And I'm not exaggerating these allegations, they come from all sides, including several founding members of CSICOP itself, as well as the late great Carl Sagan, who said "criticism of CSICOP was justified".
Did I get that quote right?

So you must understand the irony when you talk about inconvenient realities, it seems that you view the entire issue of UFOs and alien contact as a very, very inconvenient reality.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
The only caveat to Cooper's account
is the fact that his photog partner wouldn't
ADMIT that a disc landed right in front of them
at Edwards AFB. Pressure from above I suspect.

That's the impenetrable wall of defiant ignorance, a self-vaccination
against inconvenient realities. Don't like what the witnesses [more
than one] are saying -- easy, 'suspect' they are lying.

Do you believe Cooper's story about his 1963 Mercury-9 UFO
encounter?

Do you believe Cooper's story about saving the shuttle program from
a lethal design flaw by relaying a telepathic warning from space aliens?

Heck, just stick to spaceflight stuff. Do you believe Cooper's dramatic
story about flying through a meteor storm that banged dents into the
skin of his capsule? Do you believe Cooper's story about taking out-the-window
photos on his last spaceflight where you could read auto license plates?

How far does your trust-his-say-so-alone really go? If he told you about a can't lose
aviation start-up project that he had verified and invested in, would you run out and
immediately hand them your life savings?

Yes, I believe Gordon Cooper completely on these issues.

He was a man of great character, and a true American hero.

And if he were still alive, and you were not, he would not spend years trying to drag your good name through the mud.

You seem to thrive on it.

That tells us all we need to know about the differences between you and astronaut Gordon Cooper.

And it tells us which one we should believe.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
The only caveat to Cooper's account
is the fact that his photog partner wouldn't
ADMIT that a disc landed right in front of them
at Edwards AFB. Pressure from above I suspect.

Besides incredulity, Cooper's demeanor when
recounting this incident appears no different
than any other account he's given about ordinary
pilot/ astronaut happenings.
There's aliens in them thar hills, Jim.
And we all know you know..you know ?

Excellent post.
What do you suppose would make a person go after a legendary astronaut like a pitbull goes after a hamburger?
Again and again, and again?
Simply because the astronaut spoke the truth about ufos?

Which probably upset NASA a great deal.
After all, we all know NASA is an acronym for Never Admit Seeing Aliens.

originally posted by: Scdfa

Question: Do you believe Cooper's story about his 1963 Mercury-9 UFO
encounter?

Yes, I believe Gordon Cooper completely on these issues.

He was a man of great character, and a true American hero.

And if he were still alive, and you were not, he would not spend years trying to drag your good name through the mud.

You seem to thrive on it.

That tells us all we need to know about the differences between you and astronaut Gordon Cooper.

And it tells us which one we should believe.

You DO realize that COOPER's story about the so-called 'Cooper Mercury-9 UFO story" is that the UFO story is bogus, it was made up by some writer to make money, and he was mad as hell that anybody believed it.

So please clarify -- do you believe the Mercury-9 UFO encounter story is bogus or not? Did it happen as described? Or do you believe Cooper's claim that the story falsely attributed to him is fake, and nobody should believe it?

I'm going out on a limb here and am guessing you believed the story as published across the Internet, using Cooper's name, actually happened.

If you did, Cooper would have thought you foolishly gullible.

a reply to: karl 12

I found this page while following up on the Levelland case, I think all skeptics should take a look. We could all probably learn something from it.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Scdfa

Question: Do you believe Cooper's story about his 1963 Mercury-9 UFO
encounter?

Yes, I believe Gordon Cooper completely on these issues.

He was a man of great character, and a true American hero.

And if he were still alive, and you were not, he would not spend years trying to drag your good name through the mud.

You seem to thrive on it.

That tells us all we need to know about the differences between you and astronaut Gordon Cooper.

And it tells us which one we should believe.

You DO realize that COOPER's story about the so-called 'Cooper Mercury-9 UFO story" is that the UFO story is bogus, it was made up by some writer to make money, and he was mad as hell that anybody believed it.

So please clarify -- do you believe the Mercury-9 UFO encounter story is bogus or not? Did it happen as described? Or do you believe Cooper's claim that the story falsely attributed to him is fake, and nobody should believe it?

I'm going out on a limb here and am guessing you believed the story as published across the Internet, using Cooper's name, actually happened.

If you did, Cooper would have thought you foolishly gullible.

Jim, I have answered your questions for months, it is only polite, but you refuse to return the courtesy.
I just asked you questions two posts back, and asked you to answer them. But you refused to do so. As I predicted you would.
Instead you try to control the conversation by ignoring my questions, and simply peppering me with more questions of your own.

I''m afraid that ends here, Mr. Oberg. Your new questions can wait until you answer mine.
It's really good for you to do so, or you run the risk of being known as a man without any answers.

So here's a question:

You predict that Cooper would have thought me to be "foolishly gullible".
So now you're channeling the dead astronaut, instead of just dragging him through the mud?
That's a step in the right direction, I suppose.

But since you brought this up, answer this question:
If, as you contend, Gordon Cooper would describe me as "foolishly gullible",
then what words would Gordon Cooper use to describe you, Jim Oberg?

And I do expect you to answer honestly.
I await your answer.

originally posted by: Scdfa....

You predict that Cooper would have thought me to be "foolishly gullible".
So now you're channeling the dead astronaut, instead of just dragging him through the mud?
That's a step in the right direction, I suppose.

But since you brought this up, answer this question:
If, as you contend, Gordon Cooper would describe me as "foolishly gullible",
then what words would Gordon Cooper use to describe you, Jim Oberg?

And I do expect you to answer honestly.
I await your answer.

The Mercury-9 "Cooper UFO story" is fictional, as Cooper himself had repeatedly insisted. There is not one single instance, even in his own autobiography, where he ever claimed it had happened. Yet because Cooper's name was deceptively attached to it by hoaxters, YOU believed it was TRUE, you said that right here, and defiantly still do. Is there ANYONE out there who might NOT think you're fact-defiantly hyper-gullible? As for what Cooper thought of my work, his polite and thorough letters to me indicate he saw me [a fellow AF officer and a spaceflight colleague as a certified member of the NASA Mission Control Center team] as an investigator who rightfully deserved accurate answers.

a reply to: Scdfa

Yesterday you said:

Scdfa: posted on Jun, 3 2015 @ 09:09 PM
...as well as the late great Carl Sagan, who said "criticism of CSICOP was justified". Did I get that quote right?

And a year and a half ago you said:

Scdfa: posted on Jan, 15 2014 @ 01:03 AM
People whose UFO related work I could do without? Carl Sagan tops that list, he single-handedly set Ufology back a great deal, in my opinion. He was enormously popular and influential at the time, and he was grossly inaccurate.

I guess Sagan is only a "great" and reliable source when you want him to be?

You keep speaking about dragging peoples names through the mud, when for months you've done nothing but mock, correct, and insult anyone who doesn't believe as you do. Not to mention speak with conviction that alien beings are on Earth while dodging your own story.

You seem to have placed Gordon Cooper on such a high pedestal that he can do no wrong. Any statement or story told by or about Cooper should be blindly believed and taken at face value with zero investigation into the validity of the statement. Is this the Scdfa methodology for all UFO/aliens cases? After reading your posts for months, it looks like it could be.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: Scdfa....

You predict that Cooper would have thought me to be "foolishly gullible".
So now you're channeling the dead astronaut, instead of just dragging him through the mud?
That's a step in the right direction, I suppose.

But since you brought this up, answer this question:
If, as you contend, Gordon Cooper would describe me as "foolishly gullible",
then what words would Gordon Cooper use to describe you, Jim Oberg?

And I do expect you to answer honestly.
I await your answer.

The Mercury-9 "Cooper UFO story" is fictional, as Cooper himself had repeatedly insisted. There is not one single instance, even in his own autobiography, where he ever claimed it had happened. Yet because Cooper's name was deceptively attached to it by hoaxters, YOU believed it was TRUE, you said that right here, and defiantly still do. Is there ANYONE out there who might NOT think you're fact-defiantly hyper-gullible? As for what Cooper thought of my work, his polite and thorough letters to me indicate he saw me [a fellow AF officer and a spaceflight colleague as a certified member of the NASA Mission Control Center team] as an investigator who rightfully deserved accurate answers.

Mr. Oberg, are you there?
It doesn't seem like you are.
You keep responding to my posts, but it appears you haven't read a single one.
I have asked you several questions right on this very page, and pointedly stressed that I would continue this conversation only if you answered some of my questions like I have answered yours.
You refuse even to acknowledge my questions.
Am I talking to a bot? A bot that hates astronauts?

Well, until you join in the conversation by answering my questions, you cannot expect me to answer yours.

You can start by answering this question, which you force me to ask again. And it really is a very simple question:

If, as you contend, Gordon Cooper would describe me as "foolishly gullible",
then what words would Gordon Cooper use to describe you, Jim Oberg?

originally posted by: Scdfa...


You can start by answering this question, which you force me to ask again. And it really is a very simple question:

If, as you contend, Gordon Cooper would describe me as "foolishly gullible",
then what words would Gordon Cooper use to describe you, Jim Oberg?

I thought I had, did you miss it a few messages back?

As for what Cooper thought of my work, his polite and thorough letters to me indicate he saw me [a fellow AF officer and a spaceflight colleague as a certified member of the NASA Mission Control Center team] as an investigator who rightfully deserved accurate answers.

Now, do you believe that Cooper saw a UFO on his Mercury-9 flight, based on his explicit statements on that story?