Credible UFO Quotes by prominent individuals.

reply to post by MrInquisitive


there are credible reports of unidentified phenomenon but i dont believe the best explanation is the ETH. I've not found a case with good enough evidence to support the ETH. At least not in the nuts & bolts craft piloted by ET sense. There's still sightings of phenomenon that remain unexplained imo.

Hey Yeti, could you list all the many quotes you think could be taken out of context?

Cheers.

This opinion may bear repetition.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Lots of people thought that UFO reports could best be explained by alien spaceship visits -- it made sense based on our own primitive space efforts. But we know a lot more about how honest UFO misperceptions are generated, retold, and embellished now then we did in the early years. Throwing around important people's names is an interesting exercise in cataloguing, but hardly evidence.

Now, note that when a specific quotation is raised as to being bogus, responses are usually not constructive. Often there's the stubborn dig-heels-in response, 'Sez YOU!'. Or the response, OK, you found the bad one, that shows all the others are good. But when an ostensibly pre-verified, heavily vetted list is presented as evidence, there shouldn't BE any 'bad ones', after all these years.

The bigger question this raises is, is there any way that tighter quality control standards can be applied to what passes for 'UFO evidence' such as these quotations? Surely the Internet was supposed to make all points of view accessible, rather than facilitate mindless repetitions of the same points of view.

I raise the Harry Truman quotation as an example. There has been some original research calling that entire comment into question. How can that research be located via search engines, so its argumentation and evidence can be considered? I'm not arguing for that conclusion -- I'm advocating developing ways to make such anti-conclusions available for weighing against other claims.

In my own area of professional specialization, spaceflight operations, I found the bogusity rate of alleged quotations appalingly high:

Afanasyev -- apparently entirely fictitious from a US TV program
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Wernher von Braun -- apparently entirely fictitious:
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Cernan -- Direct contact with him, he denies believing it, or ever saying it.

Lovekin: He apparently provides bogus credentials, not encouraging for uncheckable allegations.

Slayton: Accurate recounting from his on book

Khrunov -- Accurate quote

Kovalyonok -- Fascinating account of a very UN-UFO-like sighting, with detailed drawings, that seem much more related to a space or missile event -- with interesting 'coincidence' that it occurred over the South African missile test center at Oberbeck at a time they were known to be working on nuke-carrying middle-range missiles.

mo' alien quotes

"Yes, they are real, I have seen the documents and the craft" - Ronald Reagan, July 1983

"Yes aliens are real. I know of secret information" -Dr Carl Sagin, 1978

"Extraterrestrials are real, they are known to like strawberry ice-cream and the music of ancient Tibet" - Bill Clinton, 2002

Originally posted by fishspeaker
mo' alien quotes

"Yes, they are real, I have seen the documents and the craft" - Ronald Reagan, July 1983

"Yes aliens are real. I know of secret information" -Dr Carl Sagin, 1978

"Extraterrestrials are real, they are known to like strawberry ice-cream and the music of ancient Tibet" - Bill Clinton, 2002

Like Jim O said above, the bogus rate of quotes is potentially quite high.

They are some pretty serious claims fisho.

Where did you source these from?

Originally posted by Krusty the Klown

Originally posted by fishspeaker
mo' alien quotes

"Yes, they are real, I have seen the documents and the craft" - Ronald Reagan, July 1983

"Yes aliens are real. I know of secret information" -Dr Carl Sagin, 1978

"Extraterrestrials are real, they are known to like strawberry ice-cream and the music of ancient Tibet" - Bill Clinton, 2002

Like Jim O said above, the bogus rate of quotes is potentially quite high.

They are some pretty serious claims fisho.

Where did you source these from?

edit on 16/7/1111 by Krusty the Klown because: Korrection

Wasn't your spider sense -- or your funny bone -- tingling? Mine sure was.

Thanks for the morning grins, Krusty. We both know who the joke is on.

This thread is the best evidence of
UFO's being a real phenomena that I have seen to date.
It just goes on and on, not because of photos and videos.
But because of report after report and quote after quote.

Even if just 20% of the Quotes are sound and legitimate;
We've got some UFO's flying around.

"if flew and shot a beam of light at the warhead"

US Air Force Lieutenant Robert Jacobs, now known as Professor Robert Jacobs




i think these aliens are particually interested in nuclear weapons, it is very likely they are protecting us from ourselves

Originally posted by SkuzzleButt
"if flew and shot a beam of light at the warhead"

US Air Force Lieutenant Robert Jacobs, now known as Professor Robert Jacobs

i think these aliens are particually interested in nuclear weapons, it is very likely they are protecting us from ourselves

This is a detailed narrative by an intelligent and clearly sincere witness.

Now, to get the full story -- such as possible prosaic explanations -- in the absence of me taking your hand, what steps would an ordinary, curious UFO buff take, using Internet search engines?

This is a serious question. Information is out there. how can the right information get to the people who want and need it?

Originally posted by sealing

We've got some UFO's flying around.

We certainly have mate and there are plenty of UFO incidents listed here which remain unexplained and involve some very strange close range object descriptions and flight characteristics.

This thread's certainly an old one and needs a tidy up as many of the links are now defunct but when it comes to UFO statements here's an interesting one from Albert M. Chop who was Chief of the Press section for the Air Force at the Pentagon in the early 1950's:

"You must remember that I was privy to the project files. These contained hundreds of official reports of UFO encounters made by military personnel from all branches of the service. They were all classified with a high degree of security classification. Almost all of these made pretty scary reading from the verbatim descriptions of the pilots concerned"

Albert M. Chop, Air Force UFO Public Information Officer at the Pentagon

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Cheers.




reply to post by JimOberg


Hey Jim, good to see you back posting on ATS after the Mcminnville fiasco - regarding the Big Sur incident there's some interesting points brought up about CSICOP's Kingston A. George article in this file - I've also heard it said you privately wrote to Professor Jacobs to criticize him about his actions of going public with an incident that relates to national security - can I ask you if this is true?

Well, in this little clip (from 1:22) you can hear what a former head of Project Blue Book and a former top USAF spokesman on UFOs had to say on camera.

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Originally posted by xpoq47

Well, in this little clip (from 1:22) you can hear what a former head of Project Blue Book and a former top USAF spokesman on UFOs had to say on camera.

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Thanks for posting the video mate and I was interested to hear Colonel William Coleman state that..

"Out of the 12000 reported UFO sightings only 700 remained unexplained.."

There's a relevant catalogue below showing that there may be up to 4,000 unexplained UFO cases that were 'miscategorized' as IFO's in the Bluebook files - I know you've posted in it but this thread also explores the subject of massaged USAF statistics (could be as much as 88% unexplained); highly dubious USAF UFO explanations; missing reports and claims that the Bluebook team from the 1960's went back and substituted official summary cards for unexplained cases 'to reduce the number of unknowns at any cost.

Bluebook Chief Colonel Robert Friend who pops up in your video also once stated that during his tenure there were 'classified intelligence channels for reporting UFO's that completely bypassed Bluebook' so the USAF stats might not matter much anyway.

"Much more disturbing are the indications from my limited review of BB cases that there may be as many as possibly 4,000 Unexplained UFO cases miscategorized as IFO's in the BB files. McDonald similarly stated in 1968 at his CASI lecture that from his review of BB cases he estimated that 30-40% of 12,000 cases were Unexplained, or about 3,600 to 4,800. These are mostly military cases and many involve radar".

Comprehensive Catalog of 1,600 Project BLUE BOOK UFO Unknowns

Cheers.

Major Henry Shields gives some interesting advice to military pilots in the NSA's 'secret' intelligence magazine 'MIJI Quarterly'.

The Air Force Admits Again That UFOs Are Real and Nobody's Listening.

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"Sometime in his career, each pilot can expect to encounter strange, unusual happenings which will never be adequately or entirely explained by logic or subsequent investigation"..

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The Brazilian Minister of Aviation and military pilots discuss UFOs and the night of 19th May, 1986 on a national television broadcast:

"On radar I got to do four interceptions and radar contact with all, but I could not see anything at any time, just on the radar. And what impressed me was taken by the target acceleration from a certain moment. Accelerated rapidly until he desacoplasse the radar and I believe around MACH 15, more or less, because it was very fast acceleration. now I was 1.2, 1.3 times the speed of sound and the object reached a speed much higher than I was."

Captain Armindo de Sousa Viriato

The Official Night of UFOs in Brazil

Colonel Ariel Sanchez, head of the Uruguayan Air Force UFO Office discusses how a UFO evaded military jets over the Palmar Dam in 1986 and changed colours from yellow to orange to red as it increased its acceleration.

"The most shocking events involved Uruguayan aircraft pursuing a UFO. It occurred mainly in 1986. Two military aircraft tried to intercept a UFO which entered Uruguayan airspace without authorization..

It was around 20h30 when those two fighters I’ve mentioned tried to approach an object maneuvering over a dam. They tried twice to reach the UFO. They didn’t succeed because the object managed to escape maneuvering at great speed which our aircraft could not follow.

A peculiar thing was seeing the object changing colors while increasing its acceleration. It went from yellow to orange then turned red. It moved away at an enormous speed until it disappeared from our sight. In a second attempt to intercept it, the object did the same thing: when the Pucara got closer, the UFO vanished at an incredible speed towards the West. Without much they could do the pilots simply quit the pursuit and returned to the base".

Colonel Ariel Sanchez (Cridovni), Uruguayan Air Force

Military Aircraft pursue UFO over Palmar Dam

My most credible, and reliable witness, is my own father. He was a pilot, in a US military branch in the 1950s. He's now in his mid 80s, and his story has remained the same.

"The object remained stationary, and I circled it for over a half hour. Had my navigator not been so frightened, I would have stayed longer"

"In all my years, the only explanation I ever heard that made sense, was earthquake lights."

He may not be famous, but our government certainly trusted him enough to fly one of their planes. Speaking directly to a retired military pilot, for me, far outweighs quotes that may or may not be in context.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Originally posted by starcraft

My most credible, and reliable witness, is my own father. He was a pilot, in a US military branch in the 1950s. He's now in his mid 80s, and his story has remained the same.

"The object remained stationary, and I circled it for over a half hour. Had my navigator not been so frightened, I would have stayed longer"..

Starcraft, thanks for sharing your father's account and there certainly are quite a few freaky military pilot UFO reports from the 1950's - here's another case from Alabama in 1956 where both pilot and co-pilot witnessed a very strange object near their aircraft and at one point there's a similar description to yours as the UFO was described as becoming motionless and 'hovering dead still'.

What makes this case all the more interesting is that the main witness (pilot Captain W. J. Hull) was a published anti-UFO skeptic yet admits to being 'flabbergasted' and 'confounded' by the object's aerial maneuverability - here's part of his report where he describes the UFO's flight characteristics before stating it 'shot out over the Gulf of Mexico in a steep climb at fantastic speed'.

UFO Skeptic Pilot Witnesses UFO Near Aircraft.

"Just after this exchange, the object began to maneuver. It darted hither and yon, rising and falling in undulating flight, making sharper turns than any known aircraft, sometimes changing direction 90 degrees in an instant. All the while the color remained constant, a brilliant blue-white, and the object did not grow or lessen in size. Macintosh and I sat there completely flabbergasted at this unnerving exhibition. I thought of calling the passengers over the public address system, but the object was dead ahead of us and putting on its performance in an area whose arc was not large enough to enable anybody in the cabin to get a view of it out the side windows. After a half minute or so of this dancing, unorthodox flight the object suddenly became motionless and hovered dead still. We were simply confounded by this.

Right at this moment the strange light began another series of crazy gyrations, lazy 8's, square chandellea, all the while weaving through the air with a sort of rythmic, undulating cadence, the likes of which neither Pete nor I had ever seen. Then, apparently content at the consternation which it had wrought, the object shot out ever the Gulf of Mexico, rising at the most breathtaking angle and at such a fantastic speed that it diminished rapidly to a pinpoint and was swallowed up in the night".

Capital Airlines Pilot Captain W. J. Hull

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Cheers.

Originally posted by jemoeder

Pics or it didn't happen.

Jemoeder, it's a shame the pilot in this case didn't take photographs of the three disc shaped objects near his aircraft but at least they were confirmed on radar by Mexico City Airport flight control.

UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed.

"Well, it was something I experienced and it was real. An incident that I am still at a loss to explain. I don’t know where they [the objects] came from, or what their intentions were. Sometimes I think they were curious and that they approached us for this reason, although it could also be that they saved me from some unpleasant situation. The small plane looked good, but it was very old, from 1958. So who knows? Maybe it was about to stall in mid-air, or I was about to lose a wing or the tail section. Or have some other accident...I don’t know

They had no antennae. They had opaque grey fuselages and a sort of windshield, but without rivets and completely smooth.. What I would like to make clear is that my personal and professional reputation is safe thanks to the testimony of air traffic controllers. They had the three objects on their screens, making 270-degree turns in a very tight radius of action".

Aircraft Pilot Carlos Antonio de los Santos Montiel

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Cheers.

General Ricardo Bermúdez from Chile's Civil Aviation Agency comments about the Pelican UFO case from June, 2010:

General Ricardo Bermúdez discusses the Pelican UFO Case

"Think for a moment, if one experienced commercial pilot reports to me that something flew across in front of his airplane, I pay careful attention; but now if a second commercial pilot reports the same a few seconds later, I become interested; but if a third pilot, a military one, confirms the same fact, I tend to believe it. In this case, do we have one UFO close to the airplanes, or we have two UFOs? If we have one, its incredible speed doesn’t correspond to anything we have now".

General Ricardo Bermúdez - Director of CEFAA (Committee of Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena), which is part of DGAC, Chile's Civil Aviation Agency, the equivalent to the U.S. FAA.

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