Mysterious U.S. Swine Flu Probe Widens as Mexico Finds Swine Flu *updated*

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"I know that for some time it has been suggested that we "nuke" the sponges we use for washing dishes for 2-3 minutes every month or so to kill the bactetia that is likely to breed on them."



Yuk, Gross! do you use a dish-sponge for more than a month?

The media coverage is very facetious and somewhat ambivalent too - one minute we are all going to be annihilated, next we are fine.

Cold, hard speculation leads me to believe the media has no idea and is attempting to present a clear picture, even though it is somewhat clouded.

Please everyone.......The government thinks we are just this stupid......ask any biologist in this field that is willing to speak out. If this strain of H1N1 has mutated to contain (2) human strains, swine strain and avian strain carring the properties that CAUSE DEATH, then people would have been dying as these strains mutated together over several months. We would of know that there is a major outbreak of the (2) human strains..........it would of been tracked by the WHO around the wourld before it mutated with the swine and avian.

Did you catch what I just said? "before it mutated with the swine and avian"

This could not of happened....period....without being tracked and noticed!!

This flu cannot start from day one with the make up of all four strains.......

The government'(s) are throwing out banning pork and imports..........Its a slide of hand trick..........It did not originate form pigs.

This strain was engineered to bridge the gap between the Avian Flu strain, or I should say the weaponized version HN51.............HN51 can not spread from human to human. It needs a bridge. This H1N1 is the bridge!! It is going to mutate over the next few months on its own unless the government helps it along. It will mutate with HN51 making a supper strain that is airborne creating great death.

People who know biologist and physicians in this field ask them! Post your replys here on ATS..........Time is very short.........and it may already be to late.......

So let me get this straight Swine Flu, Bird Flu and other things have fused to create a Super Flu? or was I reading into something to much?

# Reuters: German Foreign Ministry advises travelers to avoid non-essential trips to Mexico due to international swine flu epidemic.2 minutes ago from web

# The number of confirmed cases of swine flu in the U.S. has doubled to at least 40, a WHO spokesman tells AP.9 minutes ago from web

# AP: Ukraine bans pork imports from U.S., Mexico and other countries affected by swine flu epidemic.3 minutes ago from web



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Good Morning everyone, I had a little trouble sleeping soundly with all this on my mind!

Europe is Advising Avoid Travel To U.S. and Mexico!

Google Map on Swine Flu

Another Google Maps Swine Flu Locator

Many Google Maps on one Website

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Veratect on Twitter

Twitter Breaking News

BioSurveillance Typepad Chart/List

CDC Swine Flu

World Health Organization

CDC Press Breifing

RSOE EDIS Pandemic Map

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I have been notified that in Boston there have been several cases over the past couple of weeks of patients with flu symptoms.........several have died........

This was before the flu coverage......and the patients were not tested for H1N1!!

But the symptoms were the same......

I was also told to multiply by 4 what you here on the main stream media.........



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[edit on 27-4-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

I posted this in the other thread as well, but anyway....

Reading and thinking about all this news about this flu outbreak reminded me about the idea of "mass hysteria" or the "madness of crowds." Where illnesses spread through panic and anxiety or excitement between like minded people. In the Rough Guide to Paranormal Phenomena it mentions this and calls it "psychic contagion." It mentions some weird cases but i can't be bothered to type it out unless someone really wants me to.

Consider also the case of Spring Heeled Jack in London during the mid to late 1800s where people often thought they had sighted him and also the more famous Orson Welles War of the Worlds radio broadcast in 1938. People often remember it for causing a panic, because listeners actually believed martians were invading the earth. However the book i am looking at now says the extent of the panic has probably been more exaggerated than it actually was. There is an interesting paragraph which i have typed out here in full:

"The evidence then, is that more people enjoyed or ignored Welles's broadcast than were alarmed by it. The real scare-mongering followed later when newspapers blew it out of all proportion creating, in the collective imagination, the stereotype of the full-out, chaotic urban panic beloved by Hollywood movies. As Bartholomew (Dr Robert Bartholomew of Quuensland's James Cook University) said in a BBC interview on the sixtieth anniversary of the Welles broadcast: The supposed panic was put down to the power of the media. The fact that many believe a panic took place when it did not is also testimony to the power of the media."

I realise this is a large post but it is something to think about at least. I hope it isn't too off topic.

Expert says swine flu could spread faster than SARS virus
www.channelnewsasia.com...

SINGAPORE: Medical experts say more work needs to be done to figure out how to stop swine flu from becoming a pandemic.

And what's worrying is that the new swine flu strain could spread faster and is harder to detect compared to the SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) virus, which caused an epidemic in 2003.

Associate Professor Leo Yee Sin, clinical director of Communicable Disease Centre at Tan Tock Seng Hospital, said: "We know that usually the characteristic of influenza is that the infectious period of an infected person will start one day before clinical illness and about seven days after the onset of clinical illness.

More at Link...

WHO Said to Raise Flu Alert to Unprecedented Level (Update1)
www.bloomberg.com...

April 27 (Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization plans to raise its pandemic alert to an unprecedented level today, saying that swine flu is spreading across North America, two people familiar with the agency said.

An increase above level 3 on the WHO’s six-step alert system would be the first since the United Nations agency began grading pandemic risks in 1999. The agency’s guidelines say the goal of a level 4 alert is “containment of the new virus within a limited area or delay of its spread,” suggesting the change will trigger travel warnings. Level 5 would be “a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent.”

The WHO may advise governments to screen people coming in and out of Mexico and other affected areas, limit travel, distribute antiviral medicines from global stockpiles and start the process of producing a pandemic vaccine, according to the guidelines revised last month. The people familiar with the WHO declined to be named because the deliberations are confidential. Gregory Hartl, a spokesman for the WHO, declined to comment.

More at Link...

There are so many threads here on this Flu issue......Good info gets lost...

First of all I think most all understand not to take the vaccine that will be coming in the next couple weeks............

Second, here is a list of medicines for your cabnet:

Collodial Silver
Oregano oil
Echinacea
Oscillococcinum

If you have never heard about these......Please google........

Apologies if this has been posted...

GENEVA: The World Health Organization says there are now 40 confirmed cases of swine flu in the United States and that it is "very concerned'' about the disease's spread.

WHO says none of the cases in the U.S. have been fatal. But the U.N. agency says it could decide in a matter of hours whether to raise its pandemic alert level as a result of the increasing number of confirmed swine flu cases in Mexico and elsewhere.

economictimes.indiatimes.com...

The United States and other countries across the globe increased their vigilance as the World Health Organization said there are now 40 confirmed cases in the U.S.

That’s twice the number previously reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. None of the cases in the U.S. has been fatal.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

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# The CDC has announced a news conference for 1 p.m. Eastern time to provide an update on the international swine flu epidemic.less than a minute ago from BNO Headquarters

# World Health Organization to increase pandemic alert today.less than a minute ago from web

# Reuters: Hillary Clinton says U.S. taking issue of swine flu "very seriously".less than 10 seconds ago from BNO Headquarters

# France: Four suspected swine influenza cases reported in Nantes, Pau, Lyon, and Poitiers. All recently traveled to US or Mexico.2 minutes ago from web

# Mexico: Japanese citizens in Mexico reported to have begun leaving the country.5 minutes ago from web

# Australia: Four suspected swine influenza cases in Sydney; five total in New South Wales. All under quarantine.6 minutes ago from web

# Swiss, Peru and Czech health officials are now also investigating suspected cases of swine flu. It are the first reported cases in there.less than a minute ago from BNO Headquarters

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[edit on 4/27/2009 by Hx3_1963]

QUESTION?

How does a Swine Flu- start out what is the cause?

How does it bridge from Animal to Human than Human to Human- there has to be a bridge or links

can it turn to a Super Flu fusing with other strainds of virus

Its jumping all over the world quickly!

New updated RSOE pandemic page...
www.idemc.org...

# Mexico: First Confirmed Case and 23 Suspected Cases of Swine Influenza Reported in Veracruz.2 minutes ago from web

# Australia: Two additional laboratories established for testing; Sydney and Westmead.3 minutes ago from web

# A 34-year-old metro Detroit woman is diagnosed with a probable swine flu.2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

# AP: Employees at Pittsburgh International Airport are being "extra vigilant" for any problems that could be related to swine flu.half a minute ago from TweetDeck

# Peru: First suspected swine influenza case reported. Detected at Jorge Chávez international airport in Lima.less than a minute ago from web

# World Health Organization confirms 40 swine influenza cases in the United States.4 minutes ago from web

# Russia: Tourists canceling scheduled travel en masse to Mexico due to swine influenza.12 minutes ago from web

# Kazakhstan Ministry of Foreign Affairs advises its citizens to abstain from travel to Latin American countries.19 minutes ago from web

# Air France shares reported to have dropped by 9% due to swine influenza.28 minutes ago from web

# Mexico City: Mayor reports seven new fatal, suspected swine influenza cases have been documented in the past several hours.35 minutes ago from web

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Although I don't deny the fact that people are getting infected with this virus in its various forms I can't help feeling that the powers that be want us to react exactly in the way we are responding. Maybe they want to distract our attention away from something else, or control us in some form or other by using fear as a weapon.

There is no doubt in my mind that this virus is man-made and has purposely been introduced in an area where it would have maximum impact.
This is not just about a very real threat to us, but more so it's about deals that have been done with pharmaceutical companies and their profits. I believe that Alan Johnson did mention in his speech to the House of Commons that negotiations with companies that will manufacture a vaccine were in advanced stages, and that the UK government has been preparing for a flu outbreak for the past 5 years. Can you hear the alarmbells ringing??
I noticed today that on Wall Street and the London Stock Exchange all was going down apart from shares in some pharmaceutical companies who, conveniently enough, were also those that manufacture the vaccine to the virus.
This lead me to think that not only could the virus have been man-made and introduced purposely, but a vaccine could already have been developed and manufactured to ensure the manufactures could maximise their profits out of the situation. It would be a win-win situation for the powers that be.
Just my thoughts and I refuse to be drawn into this state of fear that is emerging everywhere as a result of this...

[edit on 27-4-2009 by mysticus22]

Just back from the gym,I live west of San Antonio in Texas...had a mask "in case" some couging person showed up,many go South to the coast on the weekends to the "Mexican Riviera" and also antiseptic wipes and sanitizer.

People thought I was CRAZY and actually made fun of me for "over-reacting" ie,being a bit more dilligent in wiping down machines and cleaning my hands.

I guess I'd rather be safe but the prevailing attitude was "Oh it's NOTHING so stop scaring everyone and acting like a moron."

The news coverage on the TV was very blah,blah,blah, about it as well.

Happy to be a moron in Texas.

reply to post by irishchic
Star 4 U!!!

To hell with 'em ....

When you pass 'em on the street gasping for air...be sure to wave hi for me...

Sorry, but, you can help yer self some...



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US military called in to fight swine flu
www.presstv.ir...

# ALL SCHOOLS TO CLOSE UNTIL MAY 5TH2 minutes ago from TweetDeck

# Mexican Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova Villalobos said confirmed death toll rises to 149.3 minutes ago from TweetDeck

# Mexican Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova Villalobos: 1,995 people came in with grave pneumonia4 minutes ago from TweetDeck

# More than 770 remain in hospital.. more than 1,000 released from hospital5 minutes ago from TweetDeck



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reply to post by irishchic


Hey I don't want to tell you what to do but............We all want to see you do a pole dance one day.....

So please stop working out at the gym because that will weaken your immune system.....Stay safe!!

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