New flu with high mortality rate spreading in Mexico

Seems Canada is not to worried about this, very nonchalant attitude..

OTTAWA (Reuters) - An outbreak of swine flu in Ontario, Canada's most populous province, would not be as serious as the 2003 SARS epidemic, in part because authorities have been preparing for decades to fight widespread influenza, a senior provincial medical official said on Friday.

Dr. Michael Gardam, director of infectious disease prevention and control at Ontario's public health agency, said in an interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation that the swine flu was sensitive to anti-viral drugs.

ca.reuters.com...

Guess we have nothing to worry about.... false alarm

here is another possible outbreak in New York today for the swine flu

wcbstv.com...

It seems to really be snowballing very fast.

Originally posted by PowerSlave
Seems Canada is not to worried about this, very nonchalant attitude..

OTTAWA (Reuters) - An outbreak of swine flu in Ontario, Canada's most populous province, would not be as serious as the 2003 SARS epidemic, in part because authorities have been preparing for decades to fight widespread influenza, a senior provincial medical official said on Friday.

Dr. Michael Gardam, director of infectious disease prevention and control at Ontario's public health agency, said in an interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation that the swine flu was sensitive to anti-viral drugs.

ca.reuters.com...

Guess we have nothing to worry about.... false alarm

LOL amigo. This is a huge problem.

This is a big story. If the epidemic aborts it's because someone aborted it.

reply to post by Pazzzzz


Thats because its not just swine. I suspect they are calling it swine so we do not panic. It has H5N1 Avian BIRD FLU attched to it. H5N1 attacks this age group.

If it mutates even more we are scr-----d. As it is now I am staying home this weekend until futher notice.

If the Mexican government is closing all public centers and schools its more serious than we are being told.

Have really been thinking about this, why have all the US cases of Swine flu recovered, and yet the cases of Swine flu in Mexico proven to have such a high mortality rate? Many will say because Mexico is such a poorer country and the U. S. has much better access to hospitals and doctors. While that may be the case, I think the number of cases in Mexico is extraordinary comparatively. If their medical care is of such poor quality, how come they were able to diagnose and isolate this strain so quickly?

Could it be because the 'Swine flu' in the U.S. is just the regular strain of Influenza found in pigs and the 'Swine flu' in Mexico is the combination of the strains of Influenza B, Pig flu and Avian flu.

In spite of official reports that have come out of the CDC claiming these are the same strains of Swine flu. I don't trust them or the WHO for that matter.

I mean could this be the PTB's sick and twisted way of dealing with the border problem and the ever growing population problem? Again this is pure speculation but a most frightening thought at that.



[edit on 24-4-2009 by paxnatus]

Originally posted by paxnatus
Have really been thinking about this, why have all the US cases of Swine flu recovered, and yet the cases of Swine flu in Mexico proven to have such a high mortality rate? Many will say because Mexico is such a poorer country and the U. S. has much better access to hospitals and doctors. While that may be the case, I think the number of cases in Mexico is extraordinary comparatively. If their medical care is of such poor quality, how come they were able to diagnose and isolate this strain so quickly?

Could it be because the 'Swine flu' in the U.S. is just the regular strain of Influenza found in pigs and the 'Swine flu' in Mexico is the combination of the strains of Influenza B, Pig flu and Avian flu.

In spite of official reports that have come out of the CDC claiming these are the same strains of Swine flu. I don't trust them or the WHO for that matter.

I mean could this be the PTB's sick and twisted way of dealing with the border problem and the ever growing population problem? Again this is pure speculation but a most frightening thought at that.



[edit on 24-4-2009 by paxnatus]

They appear to be the same bug, even if they are not it’s just a matter of time. American media will likely be sure a death is due to this bug before reporting it, and even then we may not hear about it.

If people are dying in Mexico there is no real reason not to assume they are dying here, we will just be the last informed. I don’t know if the popular media itself has an agenda of not reporting on certain things, or the Fed’s have a grip on what’s approved for broadcast, but the popular Media in America has really become the worst in the world, and in my mind should not even be trusted. I seek my news locally, and internationally. I don’t even bother with the American Media.


[edit on 25-4-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

What I find interesting is that it was a swine flu outbreak in 1976 that originated with the death of an army recruit at Fort Dix, and which resulted in Donald Rumsfeld urging then president Ford to launch a nation-wide vaccination campaign once officials projected an epidemic that could result in high mortality. In reality, no one else died, and no epidemic occurred. Hundreds were rendered ill by the vaccines, though.

Now today I read this on msnbc.com regarding this latest outbreak:

The cases were detected under unusual circumstances. One was seen at a Navy clinic that participates in a specialized disease detection network, and the other was caught through a specialized surveillance system set up in border communities, CDC officials said.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Call me paranoid (too late, I'm sure,) but this all strikes me as suspicious somehow. It may well be unfounded suspicion, but it's what I feel at the moment nonetheless.

I just made a midnight run to the Super Walmart.

They have N-95 masks for 2/$4.00. They don't hold many in stock, as they don't sell many.

Vitamin C, chewable for the kids, antibacterial handsoap, and bleach.

Just this past January, a friend of mine (since grade school) died of SARDS. It was a complication due to the flu, and the doctors are baffled to this day. He was a teacher in in Chicago Public schools, for what it's worth.

He got sick on a Sunday, checked into the E.R. the following Monday (8 days later) was dead by Thursday.

I'm not taking chances.

if this spreading flu is something to be concerned about, then i think we have more to worry about than just people dying in mexico. could it be possible that the farms and produce that is shipped across north america (in my case canada) could somehow be contaminated by this 'flu' or virus? i work at a produce store, and we get in alot of produce from mexico, at least during the winter (but continuously year round) as we cant grow tomatoes and such during the winter locally. We also get mangos and avacadoes from mexico regularly.

basically im just wondering if a strain of virus can be distributed through contaminated foods. your thoughts?

dont blow me off as paranoid, because people who die from the e-coli outbreaks, and such die from eating/handling contaminated produce.

edit: yes i know e-coli is a bacteria, and viruses dont last very long without a host. amirite? lol.. leetspeak ftw

[edit on 25-4-2009 by aeroslag]

I wonder what lab this one came from.

Originally posted by paxnatus

Could it be because the 'Swine flu' in the U.S. is just the regular strain of Influenza found in pigs and the 'Swine flu' in Mexico is the combination of the strains of Influenza B, Pig flu and Avian flu.

In spite of official reports that have come out of the CDC claiming these are the same strains of Swine flu. I don't trust them or the WHO for that matter.

I mean could this be the PTB's sick and twisted way of dealing with the border problem and the ever growing population problem? Again this is pure speculation but a most frightening thought at that.

Something I do know a lot about, the SARS scare here in Canada. Toronto was wiped out as far as tourism due to the enflamed reporting on it 5 years ago.

Canadians tend towards honesty in these matters. Other countries lie through their teeth about the nature and scale of diseases. It's never good for an economy.

Most of the Avian Flu strains, form what I've been told originated in China, where millions of poor people live side by side with chickens, ducks, geese.
Pigs are growing in number as they are now considered more productive as a food source.

I am told China supplied numbers are a joke.


Mike

I have a few questions......
1.) Who are these genius USA doctors who when treating a kid who had flu symptoms decided to take some tests and discovered this strange flu?
Were the patients incredibly wealthy with pristine health care? Or were they like most everyone else: went to a clinic or instacare or emergency room? Average "health care" in Amerika isn't that good.
From what I've read, the symptoms are pretty consistant with "regular flu" symptoms. So why a blood test? What was the trigger that aroused the doctor's curiosity to do further tests and then immediatley compare it with the strain in Mexico?
2.) Why the scare of a global pandemic? It's pretty well confined to North Americas.
3.) If it's such a scare then is it an air born virus? None of the US patients had contact with each other. Mexico City appears to be taking it seriously (scared) by closing schools, libraries, museums, etc.
4.) Is this connected to the few vials of virus found missing from a USA military base back east? CNN online reported it a few days ago.

Originally posted by missvicky
I have a few questions......
1.) Who are these genius USA doctors who when treating a kid who had flu symptoms decided to take some tests and discovered this strange flu?
Were the patients incredibly wealthy with pristine health care? Or were they like most everyone else: went to a clinic or instacare or emergency room? Average "health care" in Amerika isn't that good.
From what I've read, the symptoms are pretty consistant with "regular flu" symptoms. So why a blood test? What was the trigger that aroused the doctor's curiosity to do further tests and then immediatley compare it with the strain in Mexico?

You bring up a very good point, Ive never even heard of a doctor checking flu strains. So why did they? Im not saying it doesnt happen Im just saying its so rare if people were not dying why did they even bother to check?

4.) Is this connected to the few vials of virus found missing from a USA military base back east? CNN online reported it a few days ago.

Yes and I have an answer to this, more later on posted under its own title.

Please, anyone worried about this look up Jim Humble and MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement) on the internet. This is NOT a MLM scheme. He tells you how to make it yourself if you want. It's good for many illness and has been proven. It's extremely reasonable and certainly good to have in case you get sick. Do yourself a favor and just check it out. And spread the word.

Okay I was skeptical at first as the lack of info from CDC and the WHO, however there seems to be a real possibility of an Pandemic starting now, and many of the Officials involved are concerned themselves:




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The World health Organisation chief is convening an emergency meeting himself this weekend, also:

"What we're concerned about is whether the conditions have been met that puts this situation in a potential pandemic situation, one that sets up the circumstances that might lead to a broad-based epidemic or pandemic throughout the world," said Dr. Mark Horton, director of the California Department of Public Health and the state's public health officer.

Mercury News

With the reports of the DOD flu spread on purpose and the fact this is a unknown new virus is very very concerning,

Kind Regards,

Elf.

I tried to find that last Webbot alta report here. It was missing. Did they say anything about this pandemia in report???

reply to post by Memysabu


Exactly! If the symptoms aren't unusual why did they do all the extra work? According to the CDC briefing held earlier today, the symptoms are pretty "normal" for "flu".
Looking forward to your new thread!

Originally posted by StrangeBrew


I just saw this story on CBC tv but couldn't find any mention of it online yet (on their website).

The correspondent related the concerns of the Mexican authorities in that this flu strain seems to be different than what they've seen but not unlike SARS in the severity of symptoms.

So far, 20 people have died from this.

www.calgaryherald.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

mmmm interesting age group...is it possible these days to so genetically modify a target group...food for thought.

I have to chime in on this.

Do any of you remember the dead microbiologist list?
As I recall a point was made in that. Almost all in the list were specialists in. Hematology and immunology. Well if you haven't heard of this, here is a link
www.scribd.com...
This one isn't completely up to date. It doesn't cover the most recent one in London last year. The "Tarantino murders"
www.thesun.co.uk...
Absolutely Brutal! murder scene. "Laurent was stabbed 196 times - some of the wounds inflicted long after the fatal gash".

Anyway if you read through the descriptions of what they specialized in and the manner in how they died...

Just saying. I think its related.

Weird this is happening, an unprecedented amount of my younger freinds went to mexico this year , as well as my bosses wife and daughter. They have been back for a week and have been miserable the entire time home. My boss kept saying the cliche about the mexican water , and I told him about his post, he sent both to the doctor . Diagnosis... E-coli. Doesnt really explain their respiratory symptoms.

I hope theyre not being misdiagnosed, for my sake ( i like my boss so his too lol). He called me tonight to get URL again , and google news link. Seems all of his daughters friends that went are ill too.

Needless to say , Im freaking out about this due to exposure to him. Hes freaking out , and asked why would the canadian government warn their countrymen , but nothing on TV or newspapers until today to warn americans.

I explained that Canada had money to lose because health care is subsidized , and its economically cheaper for them to keep healthy constituents, whereas America capitalizes off of sick or seemingly sick individuals through returns on healthcare.

Sorry for the rant, but im worried with this many people just within my circle of frinds being sick , if this isnt much bigger tha the media is portraying.

Me