HR20-New Mother's Mandated Mental Health Test-JUST PASSED HOUSE!

reply to post by nixie_nox

In order for it to succeed, tyranny must destroy those who think, for it is in thinking that freedom abounds and tyranny is constrained and destroyed. - Richard Hudson, Children of Tyranny.

These threads are just immediate drama generators.

These *threads* as you call them are shining a light on tyranny - pure and simple.

In an age where the President is calling for mandatory public service for children?

When there is case after case after case of the government taking children away from parents for no other reason than to fill quotas and make money?

And you say it’s drama?

You’re right it’s drama - it’s drama of the highest kind - when little by little by little each and every right of a parent is taken away - under the guise of *saving* children.

Wake up!

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


Your links don't work.

And if you think this - along with so many other rights taken away from parents isn't just another step to allow government to take children? Then you need to research farther than just dry words on a paper.

peace

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
Before you start writing your Senators and embarassing yourselves, don't you think you should actually read the bill? It is NOT for testing of new mothers and says absolutely nothing about that. It IS for providing assistance to mothers who want to be in the program.

Do not assume that everything you read is true. Look for yourselves!

H.R. 20

Apparently you can't link directly to a bill anymore, so go to the Library of Congress Search Page and type in H.R. 20.

And, by the way, save this link in your browser so you can actually read the bills from now on.

[edit on 22/4/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

reply to post by silo13

Silo, did you even read the bill or did you just take that website's word for it. This is pure propoganda (in the negative sense). Before you keep on, I'd suggest you actually READ the bill and then come back and apologize to people for not checking a source BEFORE you post something as ludicrous as this.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

 

Your links don't work.

And if you think this - along with so many other rights taken away from parents isn't just another step to allow government to take children? Then you need to research farther than just dry words on a paper.

peace

Use the second link above and follow the instructions.

What rights are being taken away? READ!

[edit on 22/4/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

I don't see why people can't just be okay with the fact that the actual bill says nothing about what tons of people are saying it says.

That's called stretching the truth.

It makes things that are good seem bad.

If you had a baby and your wife had postpartum depression and your company didn't cover treatment like therapy or medication or even just an extra few days off from work for her, you would probably be angry.

So, don't be angry. Do research. If this thread is your entire knowledge base on the issue then I can only shrug and walk away.

reply to post by silo13


What I mean by drama is everyone getting their panties in a wad before even reading what the bill is about.

It is about post partum follow up questionaire. But it has been turned into, the government is gonna determine your unfit and keep your baby at the hospital!

That is drama.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by silo13

 

What I mean by drama is everyone getting their panties in a wad before even reading what the bill is about.

It is about post partum follow up questionaire. But it has been turned into, the government is gonna determine your unfit and keep your baby at the hospital!

That is drama.

I agree, it's people jumping to conclusions. There is nothing in the bill that even mentions a post partum follow-up questionnaire.

[edit on 22/4/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

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reply to post by silo13

These *threads* as you call them are shining a light on tyranny - pure and simple.

I will call tyranny when I see it, and this isn't it. It is bringing to light a very serious problem. It is just giving the option for a screening on a very serous mental issue. It is about time this government started paying attention to mental health issues.


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n an age where the President is calling for mandatory public service for children?

You mean those programs many states have already isntituted? The ones where they actually get real world experience. You call it service, I call it an extention of the classroom, and a realistic one at that.

Not any different then the kid who has to rebuild the car in votech.

When there is case after case after case of the government taking children away from parents for no other reason than to fill quotas and make money?

Where is your proof??
Fill what quotas, make money how?

I think your thinking of Wal-mart. do you shop at walmart? Then you are supporting this very thing. Do you wear Nikes? Then you are supporting child slave labor.

You’re right it’s drama - it’s drama of the highest kind - when little by little by little each and every right of a parent is taken away - under the guise of *saving* children.

When you take a bill and turn it into something completely absurd without even reading it, it is called DRAMA. Children also have the right to sane parents. This is right up the alley for pro lifers, making sure the kiddies are safe. Telling people the babies are gonna stay in the hospital when the real thing is that parents get a volunteer screening is called DRAMA.

Wake up!

stop the drama.

reply to post by silo13


Ok, so now I'm feeling guilty for being so hard on you. I realize that it is quite tempting to jump on things like this and I have done that myself as well. I do also know that your intentions were not bad. Just keep to the facts and everyone will be better off.

reply to post by silo13

And if you think this - along with so many other rights taken away from parents isn't just another step to allow government to take children?

I would submit that you are the one that needs to do some research. Read the bill. As several people have stated, nowhere in the bill does it mention taking children away from anybody, nor not allowing someone to leave a hospital.

I fully support this bill, post partum depression is a very serious mental health issue. If you took the few minutes to actually read this bill, what it does in actuality is try to help diagnose a serious mental health issue, and provides funding and services for said issue. The bill is also meant to increase public awareness about this mental health issue, for example:

SEC. 102. NATIONAL PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN.

(a) In General- The Director of the National Institutes of Health and the Administrator of the Health Resources and Services Administration are encouraged to carry out a coordinated national campaign to increase the awareness and knowledge of postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis.

(b) Public Service Announcements- Activities under the national campaign under subsection (a) may include public service announcements through television, radio, and other means.

There are enough things to worry about without fear mongering about something that is meant to (and will) help people.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

Silo, did you even read the bill or did you just take that website's word for it. This is pure propoganda (in the negative sense). Before you keep on, I'd suggest you actually READ the bill and then come back and apologize to people for not checking a source BEFORE you post something as ludicrous as this.

ROTFL - Apologize?

Do you have any idea how many people are involved in this fight?

Dr. Katherine Albrecht is the one who alerted the public to this problem.

The original news article, for two.

And on and on and on.

Your trollness just kills me - like it’s all my doing.
Well you know what?
I’d be damn proud if it WAS all my doing.

I’m PROUD to be affiliated with people who can read between the lines and truly SEE what is going on in the USA.
Obviously you’ve yet to join that club.
Good luck to you.
I’m done replying to this kind of blind ignorance.

By the way you misspelled propaganda.

peace

Silo-that is a little harsh don't you think?
...considering I actually read the whole bill....

As someone who has worked as a natural childbirth doula I can say I am actually well versed in the subject.

The website you quoted was dead wrong. Not you. You make a mistake-I'm not going to flame you.

If you want to make this about "what is could be" or "its the first step before complete control!" fine. But don't demonize me because I actually read the bill in its entirety. For three years now I have been working for a mother's "lobbyist" group. This is not the first time I have heard of this bill, trust me.

If you don't like the medical establishment-make sure you tell everyone to have their baby at home and then they can control their situation completely. But about the postpartum education-Homebirthing midwifes will educate you on it anyway before they leave your house-and again at the 6 week checkup. Because they care.

Hospital staff, BTW, can alert child protective services whenever they feel like if they think something is "wrong" with you anyway i.e crackhead/homeless/etc. For example-Octomom anyone?

Think of it this way: its the same as them showing you how to care for the umbilical cord...or bathe your baby...or use a nasal aspirator. Its the same way in instructing you to care for your "wounds" after giving birth. Prenatal depression and postpartum depression are caused by hormonal fluctuation which can potentially cause serious imbalances, which as I am sure you have read, can have fatal consequences.



Oh by the way, thought this was interesting:

(One of the organizations behind this push is CCHR. CCHR is the Church of Scientology. Need I say more?)

The Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act does NOT recommend drugs or require drugs or endorse drugs. What is does is the following:

-Encourage the Department of Health and Human Services to coordinate and continue research to expand the understanding of the causes of, and find treatments for, postpartum conditions.
-Encourage a national public awareness campaign to be administered by HHS to increase awareness and knowledge of postpartum depression and psychosis.
-Encourage HHS to make grants available for projects for the establishment, operation and coordination of systems for the delivery of essential services to individuals with postpartum depression.


There is no nefarious undercurrent, no plot by "the man." The simple point is to continue to look into the causes of postpartum mood disorders, to let people know they exist and to provide better support services for the women who have them and their families. Period, the end. Every woman has the choice to decline participation in a screening, and every woman has the choice to look at all of the various treatment options available to her and choose the best one for her, whether it includes medication, therapy, alternative treatments, support groups or some combination thereof

postpartumprogress.typepad.com...

Oh the horror.....







Again, nothing sinister here.

I’ve had it, just had it with story after story of children being taken to fill quotas, forced adoptions, Social Services who take children from families and don’t give them back no matter what the parents do to *comply* with parenting classes - Social Services that allow children to be sexually and physically abused while *caring* for them, forced military and/or community service.
Forcing children to take inoculations.
Fluoride in BABY water now!
No more home schooling.
Don’t discipline your child or the government steps in.
The trash in the food.
The endless lists of behavioral drugs for children.
The list is endless!
(And I must add here I’ve video and written accounts of so many parents who’s children have been legally kidnapped by the government it’s hard to take in. I wish I had the info on this computer but I don’t. Anyway, I’ll post is soon.)

Now, before your child even leaves the hospital it’s at risk to be taken. I mean really - I’m asking you - What do you really think is going to happen?

When did this Government fall so low it would even think of taking the rights of the Parents and turning them into privilege!

Example:
The mother takes the *test* for “diagnosis and management”.
The requirements for being *fit* are not met, or the new mother is labeled suffering from postpartum depression. (Don't even ask the percentages that do - it’s like all mothers experience it at some level)...

So, now the test taken by this mother that proves she's a *risk* is registered and is on file.
But, the mother is allowed to take her child home with promises to take *parenting classes* and *allow social services to stop by every day*.
The mother kills the newborn.

Who is going to pay?

The HOSPITAL - you got it!
The defense lawyer for that mother will OWN the hospital before the circus is over.

So what’s going to happen to the next little newborn who's mother *might* be a risk?

It’s not going home now is it.

What will be heard next? *Thank God for those tests! All the babies saved! Just think! We used to just let any mother take her child home! Look how many children are being raised by the State or in Government approved homes - children that would have died."

Now take a look at history, that does repeat itself and tell me what tyranny attacks first.

The next generation. The generation that will rebel will soon die. Get the next generation while it’s young.

No, it isn’t written out in black and white when reading HR20 - it doesn’t have to be, but it’s plane as day to me - and many others.

peace


[edit on 22-4-2009 by silo13]

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

Ok, so now I'm feeling guilty for being so hard on you. I realize that it is quite tempting to jump on things like this and I have done that myself as well. I do also know that your intentions were not bad. Just keep to the facts and everyone will be better off.

Don't feel bad! We've all got our own opinions and some of us can be pretty stubborn, me included.

I'm just doing a horrible job explaining what I mean.

If I made any mistake in this is was not rewording my original post to read more like my last post on this page.

Thanks

Originally posted by silo13
I’ve had it, just had it with story after story of children being taken to fill quotas, forced adoptions, Social Services who take children from families and don’t give them back no matter what the parents do to *comply* with parenting classes - Social Services that allow children to be sexually and physically abused while *caring* for them

Well, I'm not down for abolishing Social Services. I certainly don't think liberty and justice for all, as per the Constitution has anything to do with potential physical and sexual abuse of children.

forced military and/or community service.

Does not currently exist.

Forcing children to take inoculations.

Does not currently happen. However, certain ones are needed for public and private schooling.

Fluoride in BABY water now!

Well, you should be breastfeeding anyway.Buy distilled. Baby Water is a marketing sham.

No more home schooling.

Where's this?

Don’t discipline your child or the government steps in.

With the "naughty step"? Or your belt?

The trash in the food.

Buy organic.

The endless lists of behavioral drugs for children.

They don't have to take it if prescribed.

I would like an example of a new mother with postpartum depression who has had their child taken away from them. A case on file. Maybe a single mother, LEFT UNTREATED, with no family members as support....who attempts to kill her children....but I still can't find one!

The obstetrical and midwifery communities are far too involved in the diagnosis and possible treatment and referral for postpartum depression to let some kind of system that you say will happen...happen.

Example:
The mother takes the *test* for “diagnosis and management”.
The requirements for being *fit* are not met, or the new mother is labeled suffering from postpartum depression. (Don't even ask the percentages that do - it’s like all mothers experience it at some level)...

That is actually called the "baby blues". Postpartum depression is completely different. Look it up. That is why no one is going to diagnose you as you leave the hospital. They just give you 20 brochures on it and send you home. Like I said earlier, anyone whos had a baby can attest....

So, now the test this mother is a *risk* is registered and is on file.
But, the mother is allowed to take her child home with promises to take *parenting classes* and *allow social services to stop by every day*.
The mother kills the newborn.


Who is going to pay?

The HOSPITAL - you got it!
The defense lawyer for that mother will OWN the hospital before the circus is over.

Thats kind of how it works now, except with actual care providers-most of which who carry malpractice insurance. The American Way!

No, it isn’t written out in black and white when reading HR20 - it doesn’t have to be, but it’s plane as day to me - and many others.

I wouldn't panic just yet. This is absolutely NOT how the medical establishment works.
This bill does not even begin to "pave the way" for such a situation. A bunch of women, and their families, who have been affected by the disorder have started this bill. I'm sure, yet again, their intentions are not sinister.




[edit on 22-4-2009 by silo13]

reply to post by silo13


I transcribe psychological evaluations that consist pretty much entirely of evaluations that CPS has asked for during a case. I haven't transcribed a single one yet who did not have an excellent reason for having their child taken away, from abuse of the child, to abuse of drugs, to worse.

I'm sure there are times where mistakes are made, but probably few and far between. I've transcribed more reports that I feel like the parent should not have their child, and they do, than vice versa.

I find it hard to believe that the government is just taking children away willy nilly without any reason - trust me, there IS a reason, whether the parent wants to admit it or not. CPS is taking plenty of children away who NEED to be taken away and NEED the help of CPS to where I doubt they need to take any extra children from parents who are doing a good job.

Oh, and by the way, there is a department called APS which is adult protection services, and they also will take adults who need their help. There are plenty of mentally challenged adults who need to be taken away from their handlers too.

There is nothing nefarious in this bill. This bill has absolutely nothing to do with taking away children, this bill is ENTIRELY to help combat post partum depression, period.

CPS already can take any child they feel like they need to, they do not need this bill to take a child, I promise.

Wow, it's starting to look like the whole Brooke Shields thing may have been part of a greater agenda.

Peace

Let me just copy and paste something here for you...

The birth of a baby can trigger a jumble of powerful emotions, from excitement and joy to fear and anxiety. But it can also result in something you might not expect — depression.

Many new moms experience the baby blues after childbirth. An estimated 10 percent of new moms experience a more severe form of emotional distress known as postpartum depression. Rarely, an extreme form of postpartum depression known as postpartum psychosis develops after childbirth.

Postpartum depression isn't a character flaw or a weakness. Sometimes postpartum depression is simply part of giving birth. If you have postpartum depression, prompt treatment can help you manage your symptoms — and enjoy your baby.

Yeah I bet they didnt figure that into their stupid law.
My mother once told me that having children fulfilled the "pursuit of happiness" clause in the constitution!
If her new born child was to be taken away because of a questionnaire she would be pissed!

Which would probably make the test givers think shes even a less worthy mother, which she isnt! I love her to death!

I am outraged they would do this! OUTRAGED.

reply to post by Pimpish


Thank you for your post.

Maybe you can answer then - When a mother is labled *at risk* due to these *tests* what will happen to the child?