Obama To Have Disclosure by May 31

Well everyone knows that one issue can't stop disclosure. That's like saying that because I had to mow the lawn I can't wash the dishes or because I had to go to work and take a shower and shave all in the same day that I can't fill up the truck with gas! It's a matter of applying the right pressure to the right people?

I have a problem about this - I don’t believe, if these things really do exist, that they are necessarily here to help us or our governments - Evident in that we still continue to kill the very planet we live on and continue to be at war with one another. Which leads me to say this – Why on earth would President, Obama, even mention the word “Aliens” when they have done nothing to help us. I cannot see him telling us just to put the frighteners up us all.

This is like Blossom GoodChild and her prediction all over again, only not as farfetched - Come June and step forwards another joker with another date. Atleast you will have Swine Flu to blame for this times failure to disclose.

Originally posted by jackitin
I have a problem about this - I don’t believe, if these things really do exist, that they are necessarily here to help us or our governments - Evident in that we still continue to kill the very planet we live on and continue to be at war with one another. Which leads me to say this – Why on earth would President, Obama, even mention the word “Aliens” when they have done nothing to help us. I cannot see him telling us just to put the frighteners up us all.

This is like Blossom GoodChild and her prediction all over again, only not as farfetched - Come June and step forwards another joker with another date. Atleast you will have Swine Flu to blame for this times failure to disclose.

Well making dates for disclosure was/is still kind of ridiculous because when it doesn't happen, as it often doesn't... people lose interest, become critical about the whole topic, and then the skeptics roll in to take out the dimming hopefuls
Remember Obama never said he would make any disclosure on any date.
That was a statement made at the X-conference, basically giving him a date to disclose by, otherwise, another (France, I think) government would make the claim before the US

Personally, I feel the United States Gov't will follow suit of the newly formed organizations in Europe. Where France and Great Britain have disclosed some files that are mysterious and unexplained.

Admission, no. Restructuring, where those that once studied exobiology were displaced due to an incongruence in peoples acknowledgement. That is, roughly one third, by my estimate, of the population have different motives in the extraterrestrial fields. In that group, some would prefer conflict. I point out that the film/documentary "Alien Autopsy" tends to make them salivate and get juiced up for more.

This displacement will be hard to circumvent. As, hostilities present themselves. But, I think this is the motive for the newer stance. To try and best place knowledgeable groups of peoples in a manner so as to study with balanced decision making on the subject. Doubtful, that there will be a measure of success, though.

Originally posted by chunder
reply to post by HolgerTheDane

 

You must be very young.

There is a mountain of evidence of atypical UFO sightings stretching back thousands of years.

Were these all military craft ?

I am not very young thank you. I have been around long enough to wonder why an archeologist finds a small piece of unexplainable junk and immidiately claims it was for religous purposes.

Same as the UFO buffs do with old evidence of Gods. It's almost a knee jerk reaction with some isn't it?

It is clear to some of us that the logical explanation for God or Gods was the need to explain things they didn't understand. It is just as logical that if there were Gods they would need to travel. Gods live in the sky and travel is done in vehicles in the sky and ancient people have seen meteorites and meteors and decided they must be vehicles for the Gods.

Once the story of Gods and godly vehicles was established it stands to reason that some must have wanted to draw or paint them.

As an anology doesn't it strike you as odd that many paintings of Jesus portrays him as fair haired or blond with delicate features? Even if he comes from the middle east? Or that babies were mostly painted as if they were small adults?

You also ignore completely the whole alien abduction field and sightings of entities.

I don't ignore the abduction field. I believe that it is basically misinterpretations of hallucinations and sleep related experiences like sleep paralysis combined with hallucinations.

People wanting to be center of attention are partly to blame for the bloom. There are also deliberate liars - Adamski anyone?

The hypnosis regression is a field of its own. I have seen several sessions and read numerous transcripts. I have NEVER seen a hypnotist that didn't "lead the witness".
It is a known fact that hypno therapists have induced false memories of alien abductions.
The fact that so many people describe the same thing is not worth the paper or memory bits it is written on.

And since I have been around for so long it is interesting how we have changed from Venusian and Marsian people to the Greys. We now share the same descriptions because we share the same sources.

There are numerous accounts of evidence of clearly unknown technology submitted within the forces themselves (gun camera film for example) that has never been released.

There have been NO release of evidence of "unknown technology". We have plenty of sightings of "light balls" and orbs. That is not nessecarily technology. It is probably of natural origin unknown to us.

Yet you reckon this is all down to military experimental craft and that Govts are holding nothing back ?

No I don't. What I do say is that the military has a lot to hide and that they do so.

What I also say is that there are plenty of unknown occurances that we need to understand.

And there are NO evidence of alien craft. Only people claiming to have seen them or most often - they know someone who knows someone who claims they know of a cover up.
NOTHING proven - just people talking.

Think it through.

I have. And I have seen the same "evidence" churned over and over year after year after year. Nothing new is on the scene from when I first entered it 40 years ago. Except a lot of people are now making money on rehashing the same old stuff. And the Internet has made it quite profitable.

Just because a number of people (non scientists) claim to know aliens are amongst us, why are they more believeable than the many thousands of very knowledgeable scientists that dispute the "evidence" put forth?

P. T. Barnum was right.

Believe in unknown phenomena. Relish the memory if you have seen one.

If there have been alien craft on earth for millenia there would be at least ONE piece of hard evidence.

And please do not refer to the so called "implants" that only the initiated can see in person and that proper independant scientists are not allowed to examine.

Disclosure is not putting up some reports in the INTERNET.
My Mum and My dad don't know how to work with Internet, and so must of people in this world. The people in charge, such as government leaders must attend to their responsibilities with a public announcement.

I'm glad someone is doing the pressure needed for this subject to be properly discussed and aware among EVERYONE.

God Bless Stephen Bassett and rest of crew from Paradigm Research Group.
Finally someone is doing something about this issue

ImNOW good point.

Although it was live on multiple websites, including CNN i think, and most people know how to connect to the internet now, and if not know somone that can just get them on to it for them,. Its just that most people dont wanna hear this stuff.

[edit on 1-5-2009 by theflashor]

Originally posted by ImNOW


I'm glad someone is doing the pressure needed for this subject to be properly discussed and aware among EVERYONE.

God Bless Stephen Bassett and rest of crew from Paradigm Research Group.
Finally someone is doing something about this issue

This is all Im sayin

If you read the thread , half the people said

"Dont hold your breath"

well, relax , Im breathing fine, Im just glad someone is bringing this topic up

and not letting it fade away

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reply to post by Seany


HI everyone and I enjoy reading here and the updates and other veiws/opinions..

I beleive they have visited this planet for many many years.
I personally dont think there here to show us the way or save us from ourselves,,nor want to be our friends,,
personally I find them frightning,,but Im sure they think the same towards us.

I found the FDR battleship ufo reports and its frightning.

I seen a ufo when I was 9 with my uncle and we were 300 feet away from it while it just hoverd above the corn field for 3 minutes.
The horses didnt come out of the barn also for 3 days after that.

I know they are real but I sure dont want to see 1 face to face,,

Thing is with disclosure we want the truth but how many would actually want to be face to face with one.

I think eventually soon there will be disclosure but the govt's and not just urs alone have some top secret stuff,,just a few of these craft could could make all our(worlds) jet fighters obsolete and a world power in themselves..

I will wait and see also..

thankyou everybody for reading my input.

oh,,i always came here but finally joined so I can comment and give my 5 cents worth,,

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Hi,,,

We'd all like the truth,,,

but if the president says "hey they are real" but we dont have any answers on what/who they are would create turmoil to the max....

the church's/religious instutes would not like this as well,,,

then the govt will(WOULD) have to deal with abductees',,cattle mutilations as well,,

I really dont know if it will be full disclosure on this level...
I really dont count on it...

but hey,,,interesting read....

Does it really matter now? I mean, the world's not looking for Mr Obama's USA authentication now. We have a whole bunch of other governments in respected Countries already acknowledging EBE reality.

But I would suggest, next to Bill, this US President may full well plan to make the truth be known.

My curiosity is, why all the deception, intimidation and possibly death to people, aviation professionals and government officials (Sec Forestall) for the sake of keeping the lid closed?

Sometimes "National Security" don't cut it !!

But admitting EBE reality now by US Officials, seems to me, leaves a whole bunch of stuff needing investigation by the trusted and independent Justice Dept. peoples--yes?

Decoy

reply to post by HolgerTheDane


Thanks for your response, however I have to say that I disagree with your conclusions and that the chain of logic and analogy you use does not stand up to scrutiny.

Unfortunately I do not have time to compile as detailed a response as I would like. Detailed info can be provided on any aspect of my following response should it be specifically requested but otherwise I am afraid there are a number of generalisations.

1. With regard to gods and paintings of Jesus, I don't understand fully the point you are trying to make. If it is to state that detailed depictions of flying saucers painted or described hundreds of years before the "modern" ufo wave are logical extensions of the need to invent "transport for mythical gods" then I would argue the opposite.

That what is more likely is that what is being depicted is actually a mechanical means of transport and the misunderstanding is in what a god actually is.


2. You dismiss abduction cases on three grounds - that of hallucination, the desire for attention and that memory regression through hypnosis can induce false memories.

What about the multiple witness cases that occurred during broad daylight when the subject has been fully awake, where there has been real hesitancy to even let close family members know of the event and where full recall has been available without hypnosis.


3. With regard to gun camera footage of what is obviously something other than "light balls" (which you state is probably of natural origin - ever seen the Concorde footage because if that's natural you have just discovered a completely new life form) there are numerous accounts from pilots who have described the object and how the footage was confiscated.


4. Yes I agree, the military does hide a lot. However to state there is "NO evidence of alien craft" you are obviously either seriously misinformed or an outright liar. There are mountains of evidence that point towards some UFO's being alien craft. Whether acceptable as proof is debatable and I suppose depends on the individuals view of burden. Also it is not just people talking, there are cases of physical trace and plenty of physical evidence. Also the fact that it is people talking should not lead to it being dismissed, it's called testimony elsewhere, a lot of it eye witness testimony.


5. Finally you arrive at the clincher "If there have been alien craft on earth for millenia there would be at least ONE piece of hard evidence".
Firstly I would have to ask why ?
Secondly here is my own analogy - go to a busy highway in the middle of night and bring me back one piece of hard evidence that earlier in the day it had hundreds of cars on it. Or that dinosaurs once roamed the location you now stand on.
Thirdly it would seem to me to be logical that as human civilisation develops, particularly as we enter space, develop nuclear weapons and trash the planet so efficiently, the number of visits may increase, thereby increasing the likelihood of accidental damage or even damage caused by human technology. Maybe this co-incided with the military becoming aware of the presence and therefore it would be logical that the military holds all the hard evidence.

PS: Regarding implants try watching the video recording of Dr Leir's removal of one. That would disprove your final statement.


In conclusion whilst you are obviously entitled to your own opinion on the subject, to state falsehoods as truths as you did in your previous post leads me to call you a debunker.

Originally posted by chunder
reply to post by HolgerTheDane
***snip a lot of previously discussed evidence***

PS: Regarding implants try watching the video recording of Dr Leir's removal of one. That would disprove your final statement.

I have seen it many times and while it looks convincing I still want to read the original unaldulterated analysis report. Not just torn out quotes that are clearly part of a larger picture.

Two statements from the video deserves a quick reply:
The good doctor states for a fact that you cannot have a foreign object inside you that doesn't create an inflammatory response.
That is wrong.

"No point of entry". It has been documented by real doctors that foreign objects like needles, glass shards, pebbles, grit and bullits have migrated through the bodymass to locations far from the entry point.

If this doctor lies about two basic facts why should I trust him in anything else?

In conclusion whilst you are obviously entitled to your own opinion on the subject, to state falsehoods as truths as you did in your previous post leads me to call you a debunker.

Debunk
"To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of"

Sceptic
"a person disposed to skepticism especially regarding religion or religious principles"

I expect that the true insult you are looking for is Sceptic.

But as you say - I'm entitled to my opinion. Thing is that my opinion is based on a certain cynicism that eveolved after I have followed the UFO scene since mid seventies. I have seen all the old stories become more and more embellished. Some would call it "emergence of new fact".

Even though I doubt we would get disclosure by May 31st
I am still very hopeful.
And actully kind of excited to see what happens on June 1st
Well I guess only time will tell
and the good news is we dont have very long to wait to see what happens
we only have 24 days left!
and time goes by sooo fast. The 31st will be here before we know it.

Yer UFO/Aliens is a industry now so no one wants that threatened with disclosure!Stephen Bassett wont have a job after disclosure.

But then again if aliens did exist we could make it go mainstream and further increase profits! The merchandising potential would be huge!!!

I don’t think that we will get any meaningful disclosure ever. For two reasons.

First is the possibility that there is nothing to disclose, because they are in the darks as much as us. Although I am just about certain this is not true.

Second and far more worrying is that if just 10% of what I have been looking into over the past four years or so is true. Then no government could disclose their hand in it. The media will have a field day like there has never been before it will go on for the whole century and I don’t think plausible denyability is going to cut it do you?

After all both the main political parties have been in power over the last sixty years or so. So Obama would have to admit the atrocities carried out under the democrats and so forth. You haven’t got enough prisons to hold them all. However on top of that the 31st of May sounds about right, but if it doesn’t come then it will not come while he is in the chair.

I hope I am wrong but that is my penny’s worth.

Bumping this topic, as everybody seemed to get DISTRACTED by the Swine Flu and everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten about the May 31 deadline. I wonder if this ultimatum is still on track, I would hope it is. Let's hope it's not yet another empty promise leading us on a wild goose chase to nowhere - if they have something to disclose regarding the extraterrestrial presence then it needs to be put out there! No ifs or buts!

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Do you really think that the ptb are going to listen to this ultimatum, i seriously doubt it.

There press cnference was rubbish to say the least, and we never get any professionals to do this job lol.

reply to post by HolgerTheDane


"If there have been alien craft on earth for millenia there would be at least ONE piece of hard evidence."

Say that evidence is ubiquitos, its something in our environment that we dont even reflect upon. If i wanted to monitor something i would do it that way.

reply to post by sybiss0705


"Even though I doubt we would get disclosure by May 31st
I am still very hopeful. "

I suspect we will get the same sort of disclosure that countries like the UK, Denmark and many more got, the government will open up their old files and everyone who wants to can read and discuss them. I suspect that Roswell for example could have been a smoke screen for the real aliens that landed in the US after WW2, namely Operation Paperclip. So they (government bodies) perpetuated the UFO explanation for their own purpose. Could be that, i am just guessing, meh.