Obama Will Sign GIVE ACT Into Law Today!

In my heart I feel like the American people will not take this

much longer.

Is it too soon to start impeachment procedings against Obama?

I have three grandsons and one greatgrandson.
Today, I feel very frightened for their future in this country.

I won't sleep well tonight.

There's a storm comeing, and it appears to be a very bad storm.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


Raven, congrats on your award and all the service you give. I am sure you are an inspiratin to your fellow classmates and a great example.

The seriousness of what we are discussing here lies in the fact that you made all of your honorable contributions by choice. You stood up and took a stand and made a difference on your own - at a place of your choosing. Made you feel pretty good didn't it? Doing the right thing always leaves a special "glow." Now think how you may have felt had you been forced to volunteer, perhaps at a place where you didn't want to be. Under the Obama plan if not immediately, eventually, there will be no choice, there will be no control over where or what you do. You will answer to the State. That is the fear that many are expressing concern over. Don't confuse the outrage people are feeling at the idea of our personal freedoms being taken away with lack of concern or complacency for our communities. I would bet that many people commenting already volunteer in some way or another, we just prefer to do so at a time and place of our choosing.

The government should have no jurisdiction over our personal beliefs and choices that are within the law. Period.

You were not lied to. He told you what he intended to do.

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The above is a post from the GSW blog about what he plans to do.
Some quotes, you can find the actual speach online.

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I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am President of the United States.

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This will not be a call issued in one speech or one program - this will be a central cause of my presidency. We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve. And we will direct that service to our most pressing national challenges.

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That’s why I will call on a new generation of Americans to join our military, and complete the effort to increase our ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 Marines.

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Today, AmeriCorps - our nation’s network of local, state and national service programs - has 75,000 slots. They tap America’s greatest resource - our citizens.

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As President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots,

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People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem - they are the answer.

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We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We’ll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.

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And we’ll use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

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So when I’m President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you’ll have done 17 weeks of service.

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At the middle and high school level, we’ll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we’ll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom.

For college students, I have proposed an annual American Opportunity Tax Credit of $4,000. To receive this credit, we’ll require 100 hours of public service. You invest in America, and America invests in you -

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To marshal their talents in building a new energy economy, I will launch an initiative to give our veterans the training they need to succeed in the Green Jobs of the future. It’s time to end our energy dependence at home so our national security isn’t held hostage to oil and gas from abroad.
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And we will not leave out the nearly 2 million young Americans who are out of school and out of work. We’ll enlist them in our Energy Corps,

So it's not like he didn't make his plans crystal clear. America just choose to ignore it. He laid out the full agenda, and anyone who knew history, knew what this was, or they should have.

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Exactly, I do volunteer work for my local hospital, when they started to get too peaky and monitoring everything I do, I kiss them good by.

That was my choice to do the volunteer and it was my choice to chose to stop it when I was not feeling comfortable doing it.

Plain and simple, I had not obligations.

Unless I'm mistaken Hitler did something like this too. Oh yeah it was called the Hitler Youth Corps. The current Commander-in-Chief has got to be the dumbest smart guy to ever live. Prison death camp survivors from Hitler's time even recognize this. I can guarantee if I ever have kids they will never do one pushup or anything else for our twisted government. If they don't like it they know where they can go.

[edit on 10-04-08 by Beach Bum]

Originally posted by Beach Bum
Unless I'm mistaken Hitler did something like this too. Oh yeah it was called the Hitler Youth Corps. The current Commander-in-Chief has got to be the dumbest smart guy to ever live. Prison death camp survivors from Hitler's time even recognize this. I can guarantee if I ever have kids they will never do one pushup or anything else for our twisted government. If they don't like it they know where they can go.

[edit on 10-04-08 by Beach Bum]

By the time they start with the grade school kids, and indoctrinate them for eight years, they will be ready to turn you in, if you speak out of line about the government. The line has been crossed, and I think the war has been won, but we just were not the victors. Oh I know it's too soon to give up, we should wait till the trains start picking people up.

Once they get the minds of the children, then it's too late.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


Sorry but I shouldn't have to do a damn thing if I don't want to. Period. Especially volunteer to help people. No one should force anyone to do anything like that. Plain and simple it's wrong. Do I think people should volunteer? Of course! But being forced to is a whole different ballgame. I honestly don't believe it should be forced in schools as well. You're taking control away from the individual and giving it to the government, if you can't see why that's wrong, then you really need to re-evaluate your life and priorities.

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I think the people who are putting it to us must be drinking their own fluoride and taking aspartame and mercury vaccines.

It's like this country has turned stupid almost overnight. Look at the ideas they have come up with!

No great cures for cancer, no zero point energy, no new economic theories that show promise. Just endless stupidity and plain EVIL.

So there goes our 13th Amendment... XD
They're gonna have to drag me in a body bag before they drag me into any mandatory service.

wewt for socialism... not... *snip* Obama is a piece of crap and just needs to... oh wait.. i cant say that or i would be a terrorist.. god our gov't sucks compared to 30-40 years ago


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reply to post by Jadette


So - lets get this straight .. you want to live in a totally communist state - like China or North Korea - or more probably like Stalins Russia?

Do you know how many people died in Stalins Russia? He killed tens of millions - maybe a hundred million or more - and you want to let America become exactly that?

If you don't fight this - then nothing can make you fight.

reply to post by jibeho


jibeho, you hit the nail on the head when you said disadvantaged youth. This will make it easier to sway their minds to do as they are instructed. We already know the majority to start with will be disadvantaged minorities in obamas Civilian Youth Force and are more apt to be his followers and obey. Follow the money because there will be lots of money funneled into this program. Once the youth get a taste of money and handouts it will be hard to break away from the pack and endoctrination.

What powers will be given the Civilian Youth Force when it comes to turning adults into the state. This is not a joke I feel it coming and no one thought obama would move so quickly with his changes he talked about before being elected.

I'm frustrated with some responses so I will continue with the bullet technique.

1. If you think other people should volunteer but you don't want to yourself, ask yourself why.
2. It's better to have mandatory volunteering requirements than mandatory military service. And no, I don't things are moving in that direction.
3. Why wouldn't you feel better helping your country directly through volunteering, than through indirect means like taxes? I would think people would be complaining more about that. It's the same thing, only better.
4. I do believe that everyone volunteers somehow. And if you don't, then you should. I've said it before. You do lots of things that you don't want to do already because the government says so. This one is actually HELPFUL.
5. Some of you have said you want a better place, without this new thing, for your grandkids and kids. I'm pretty sure that you should be encouraging your family to volunteer and to help out. I don't know why you wouldn't do that. This is only an issue about being "forced to" for people who for some reason don't do it already. For the people who are doing what they morally should by helping out, it's not even a problem. Especially since many countries have mandatory draft. Would you rather have THAT for your kids and grandkids?
6. It's not hard to volunteer. It doesn't cost money. If you wanted you could just start a website or work for a website or edit for free or tutor online or something like that, you could do it from the same chair or couch that you access ATS from, it wouldn't take a ton of time, and you would be helping. Plus, if you're religious, most churches fund volunteer activities and relief programs ANYWAY. If you hike or metal detect and follow rules of cleaning up litter that you find, that helps. Or just tutor a kid. Or make sandwiches for a soup kitchen. I mean, I guess I won't understand what the huge issue is. Yes the government is making you do it, and if you don't want to, you're mad. But the government makes you do lots of things you don't want to do, you're kind of just complaining anyway. This is going to be really helpful and it's something that we should all do for each other anyway if you follow the TRUE American spirit and work to improve our country and our lives. If you think the government is a waste and you're super right-wing or mad at Obama anyway or perhaps really just lazy or selfish, then yeah you will be upset and there's nothing I can say or do to change your mind. I know this is a good thing.

Besides, the act is just going to get Congress to work on it. Specifications still need to be voted on, and I think you're all getting scared for nothing. Or maybe, again, just selfish.

It's not about being "instructed." And if you think it is, go live in another country and tell me that it's better. And again most schools require students to volunteer anyway.

If you think I'm young and stupid and brainwashed then whatever but I know I've raised the grades of the girls that I tutor by two letters, and I know that the hiking trails around here are a little cleaner. I know that for awhile the histology lab at the hospital had some extra help because of me, and I know that the website I created to help students from my town with homework questions will be put to good use. There are volunteer positions that I've applied for that have been overapplied for and I'm MAD that I can't volunteer at some of them.

You complain about capitalism and materialism and then turn around and post things in this thread that are examples of how bad society is.

The question is, what happens if your kids don't realize that they need to help one another?

IT'S NOT COMMUNISM

Go live somewhere else. Honestly. Be drafted. Then come back here crying about how unfair THAT was. They're not going to just assign positions. They're going to let you decide what kind of volunteering you want to do, probably from a list. It's not like they're going to give someone who wants to volunteer in a hospital a job in the Peace Corp and that's the end of it. You're going to have a choice. You'll probably need to record your hours or get an official letter sent in with taxes or something. It's FINE.

This is what we need. And it's people like you that are making things worse. It's not going to get better because clearly the helpful people who realize how bad things are, how many jobs need to be done for different places that just don't have the money to pay but make such a big difference, the things that need to be done to keep our environment healthy, are in the minority.

I'm so sick of listening to this garbage. Honestly. I don't know if you all think I've been brainwashed or what but I'm pretty sure it's the other way around.

But whatever, don't read my response, keep commenting the same selfish ignorance. It's perfectly fine when you guys are all elderly or have cancer from the problems with the environment (NOT from doctors or vaccines or chemtrails) or whatever and my generation is left with this disgusting mess. No fossil fuels, no forests, no resources. Just warfare for survival. It's totally fine. We won't have any other option because today right now nobody wants to donate a few hours of their time to try and prevent a catastrophe of selfish, materialistic thinking.

If that's Communism, whatever. I'm a Communist. Throw rocks at my face and beat me to the ground and call me in 50 years when things are even worse.

This needs to stop. This as in this selfish thinking, this complaining instead of helping, this hatred of new ideas. It's ridiculous.

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This is incredible - there is only one real response - revolution.

STOP working - dont pay tax, read a newspaper, watch TV - just get in your car and go Washington - just you - you alone - because if you do, you won't be alone for long.

You are all about to be made into communists - if you cant or wont fight, then all the heroes who died fighting for your country, may they spit on you.

If you stand still any longer you are all dead - and you deserve it. Throw yourselves onto the machine - make it stop - throw your bodies onto the gears, on the levers - just make it stop.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
I'm frustrated with some responses so I will continue with the bullet technique.

1. If you think other people should volunteer but you don't want to yourself, ask yourself why.

Because it's suppose to be a free country, and people can do what they want to do. Hand out posters, but don't tell people they need 50 hrs to graduate from College, and yes it will come to that.

3. Why wouldn't you feel better helping your country directly through volunteering, than through indirect means like taxes? I would think people would be complaining more about that. It's the same thing, only better.

Again force is not helping. You have a very mixed up sense of the two. Do you date much? You have to have sex, vs you have a choice. But why wouldn't you want to have sex. (I am not trying to be perverse, I am just throwing your flawed logic back at cha.)

4. I do believe that everyone volunteers somehow. And if you don't, then you should. I've said it before. You do lots of things that you don't want to do already because the government says so. This one is actually HELPFUL.

I could use the above argument again, but I won't. The idea again is choice. There are lot's of thing that are fun, and not everybody does it, but every body should, and the reason not everybody does it is choice, and when that choice is taken away, it's servitude. Just ask some of the volunteers on Craigslist.

5. Some of you have said you want a better place, without this new thing, for your grandkids and kids. I'm pretty sure that you should be encouraging your family to volunteer and to help out. I don't know why you wouldn't do that. This is only an issue about being "forced to" for people who for some reason don't do it already. For the people who are doing what they morally should by helping out, it's not even a problem. Especially since many countries have mandatory draft. Would you rather have THAT for your kids and grandkids?

I should be encouraging kids and family to not eat meat, but it's a choice. When you are forced to encourage your family to not eat meat, cause it's healthy, it's for a better future, this might all be true, but you remove choice, and that is the difference between a free people, and a forced people.

Why should it be a choice of either or. Get off the Hegelian dialect. We want all choices. Not just either or. Yeah people should be helping out, but in a free society they have a choice to not help out. People should avoid being racist, but in a free society, they have the right. It all comes down to choice.

6. It's not hard to volunteer.

It's not hard to not volunteer. It's not hard to not eat meat, but it's a choice. What is right for one is not right for another.

It doesn't cost money. If you wanted you could just start a website or work for a website or edit for free or tutor online or something like that, you could do it from the same chair or couch that you access ATS from, it wouldn't take a ton of time, and you would be helping.

Like honestly who sent you? It cost no money to not volunteer either. They could do that, but in this free society they could choose not to do that, see how that works? I will refer you back to example number 2 if you forget.

Plus, if you're religious, most churches fund volunteer activities and relief programs ANYWAY. If you hike or metal detect and follow rules of cleaning up litter that you find, that helps. Or just tutor a kid. Or make sandwiches for a soup kitchen. I mean, I guess I won't understand what the huge issue is.

Great the indoctrination begins. These are great ideas, and people being aware of them, not so bad. People being forced to take part, that's bad. Speaking of religion same thing. Tell people about God, good, forcing people to believe in God, not good. Belief should be a choice, and so should volunteering.

Yes the government is making you do it, and if you don't want to, you're mad. But the government makes you do lots of things you don't want to do, you're kind of just complaining anyway.

Are you serious? The government makes you do lot's of things you don't want to do, yes, all the more reason they should resist this effort of doing one more thing they don't want to do. Unless they do want to do it, and then it's ok. I refer you back to example number 2.

This is going to be really helpful and it's something that we should all do for each other anyway if you follow the TRUE American spirit and work to improve our country and our lives.

Actually the other part of the true American spirit involves having a choice, that's where the true heart of America lies.

If you think the government is a waste and you're super right-wing or mad at Obama anyway or perhaps really just lazy or selfish, then yeah you will be upset and there's nothing I can say or do to change your mind. I know this is a good thing.

If you know it's a good thing, then that's great. Good for you. Some don't think it's a good thing, and they don't want themselves or their families near this, and that's their right. The problem comes when that choice is taken away from either party.


[edit on 21-4-2009 by Harassment101]

reply to post by ravenshadow13


Still don't get it do you? Maybe someday you'll wake up and realize what you wrote. You have the wrong idea what the True American Spirit is. I would suggest studying American history and the U.S constitution, before they rip it up. But I guess you'll have to finish shining your Medal of Smugness. Your heart is in the right place kid, but that head of yours is pretty swollen. You tell people to get out if they don't like the way things are, perhaps that'll happen if things get really bad. But I think it is you who needs to get out because obviously you don't understand what freedom you are losing. You calling people selfish, when you don't know what anyone here does in their lives is arrogant and this post shows that you don't do those things to help people, but to make you feel good about yourself and to raise yourself on some imaginary pedestal over people. Grow up.

reply to post by Harassment101


You're going to have a choice for what volunteer work you want to do. And it's still better than a draft. Americans don't have choices for lots of other things, and this isn't even a big deal.

Almost all high schools DO have a graduation requirement of volunteer hours and most colleges do as well, volunteering or interning.

Honestly, whatever. There is a choice. Do what's right, or get in trouble. That's how it should be. If there's no incentive, no one would want to help, especially adults who are busy with their jobs and families.

Eating meat is personal. It helps the animals, hurts the meat companies, and helps you. Volunteering directly helps other Americans, and in a time of need, that's important.

Religion is also personal.

And dating is personal, even though I do date. I also have a social life. And both my boyfriend and my friends volunteer. I didn't think so many people had an issue with it. It's not like deciding whether or not to shave your legs. It's deciding whether or not to make a difference. Being vegetarian makes a difference, but not as much as being vegan as well and not wearing leather or fur. But feeding people who are having trouble paying bills is a big difference that more people should care about. And it should be necessary to do things like that.

If people don't want themselves or their family near this, when bills get passed (which they won't, because of people in congress who will no doubt take your stance) then they can leave or stay. That's a choice. How ironic.

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Isn't it funny that I have studied the Constitution and the amendments, American Government, and US and World History.

I kind of think that it's more important that people aren't starving or having trouble with their businesses or that the environment is clean and that it is safe to live here.

But you're right that's just so selfish and ignorant of me. Of course, I'm 18, what do I know about the place I want to live in when I have a family? Absolutely nothing. I might as well go live under a rock.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


Again - this is a matter of choice.
It is a matter of making sure that our government does not get comfortable with "telling" us who we are - or who we are suppose to be - or who we must be.
It is a matter of maintaining our individuality and staying away from a herd mentality.

Again - give the people options -
Motivate them - this is good. But don't MAKE them follow.
We were not born into this world as any ones possession.
We do not have to follow.
And it is important that we understand that this is our right.


[edit on 21-4-2009 by spinkyboo]

I'm really not understanding some of the comments here.

Disagreement is good. Different opinions are good.

Just because someone has a different outlook on things than you do does not mean the proper response is to start mocking them for their opinion, tell them to grow up, or various other condescending statements.

This is certainly a topic that people are going to disagree about. Do so civilly. You can dispute someone else's opinion without calling them names.

I hope I won't have to remind everyone of that again.