Collection of ET Knowledge: Zeta 2 Reticuli (Greys)

Do you have a source for that?
I'd quite like to read more of this (if there is more) especially about other races of ETs. Pretty Please.

Originally posted by thegagefather
I could go on, but I suppose since none of the evidence I have is "proof positive" it should be discarded, eh?

I'm glad to see you recognize it for what it is, and its shortcomings. As for discarding the evidence, I'm not opposed to keeping it around, just in case some actual positive proof pops up. There's nothing inherently wrong with mythology, either. It's what people tend to do. No harm there.

You realize if we DO have any proof positive evidence of greys, the US government would be the very last organization to share the information with the public.

Well, the U.S. Government doesn't run the entire world, contrary to popular belief. And as inefficient as they are, it's hard to imagine that in this one particular case they're successfully batting 1,000 at keeping it a complete secret. I just hope you also realize that a hypothetical cover-up might just be a convenient excuse for a lack of really conclusive evidence.

Otherwise, a lot of people who really, truly believe in the grays sound exactly like the folks on the religious threads, talking about angels and light beings and fairies, building the mythology and fueling each other's fantasies. Which is fine. I understand a lot of people believe in Jesus, and that he was the Son of God, too. And most of them seem like decent enough people.

Originally posted by mystiq
North America for example is grey territory. Burlington news had an article about the nordics in their flying machines, that gave out of 100 cases, just over 30% experienced nordic contact. According to an experiencers account I'd read, where he'd moved from South America to the US, his nordic lifelong contact became nordic and grey. They worked together on his case. South America was nordic territory. I believe the UK is nordic as well, though can't be sure.

However, in reality, different species work together in federation or galactic organized responses as well as separately, and perhaps not all on the same side, on every issue. And there is reports of a kind of cold war between sides as well going on.

The relationship you're refering to is all explained in the Alex Collier interview in 1994, and later (but not covered as much) in 2008. If you've got the patience to watch the entire two hours you'll be a walking encyclopedia of knowledge of the ET races most important to us, and most of their basic agendas.

The Run Down... Draconians own the Orion Group, who own and genetically Modify the Greys, and are in some "allied" relationship with a rogue sect of the Plaedians and possibly the Giza Intelligence.

On our side are the Andromedans, the bulk of Plaedians, and the rare, but occasionally occuring benevolent greys. There are a few others, but seeing as the Draconians are the most powerful race in our KNOWN universe, the other species tend to try to not interfere with their agenda. Supposedly the draconians and plaedians had a 600,000 year war on Earth before any Terran humans walked on earth. Sounds crazy, right...? Wrong. Evidence here:

Most eye-opening on this link is image 14, an object found on Earth, but dated back to 4,000,000,000 years old... Just 500,000 years younger than the Earth itself is speculated to be.
www.zteck.com...

Skeptics, debunk that one.
(I already hear the "Carbon Dating Isn't Accurate" response... well, I'm sorry to tell you bit it -IS- accurate within 1billion years older than the Earth. :lol

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INSANE VIDEO OF ALIEN ARTIFACTS FOUND UNDER CROP CIRCLES. CROP CIRCLES CONSIDERED "GENUINE" BY MULTIPLE SOURCES, CLAIMING THESE CIRCLES COULD NOT BE CREATED BY ANYONE SHORT OF "GENIUS"

www.disclose.tv...

Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by thegagefather
I could go on, but I suppose since none of the evidence I have is "proof positive" it should be discarded, eh?

I'm glad to see you recognize it for what it is, and its shortcomings. As for discarding the evidence, I'm not opposed to keeping it around, just in case some actual positive proof pops up. There's nothing inherently wrong with mythology, either. It's what people tend to do. No harm there.

You realize if we DO have any proof positive evidence of greys, the US government would be the very last organization to share the information with the public.

Well, the U.S. Government doesn't run the entire world, contrary to popular belief. And as inefficient as they are, it's hard to imagine that in this one particular case they're successfully batting 1,000 at keeping it a complete secret. I just hope you also realize that a hypothetical cover-up might just be a convenient excuse for a lack of really conclusive evidence.

Otherwise, a lot of people who really, truly believe in the grays sound exactly like the folks on the religious threads, talking about angels and light beings and fairies, building the mythology and fueling each other's fantasies. Which is fine. I understand a lot of people believe in Jesus, and that he was the Son of God, too. And most of them seem like decent enough people.

Listen to the Alex Collier '94 interview. The greys are far more closely linked to the US than any other country in the world.

Originally posted by purehughness

Originally posted by DaMod
There have also been reports of Mantis aliens around the UK.

Oh my days... I sure hope I don't run into one of those on a dark night.
Found this:

Cassiopeia, the home of the Praying Mantis Race or tall grays. The Praying Mantis allegedly have long, narrow faces with long, narrow large eyes slanted upward and outward in an almost V position. They have thin, long torso; long, thin arms which are usually crooked; a sharp bend at midjoint with the hand and fingers growing almost erratically onward from the wrist; and legs bent at an almost right angles, creating a crouched pose.

Found here

Those Grey descriptions came from your own link Just click "Greys"

Originally posted by thegagefather
Listen to the Alex Collier '94 interview. The greys are far more closely linked to the US than any other country in the world.

And why exactly should I believe this guy? What kind of positive proof is he putting forth? Or is it just more mythology?

Good thread, very important subject. My question is very simple about this race and its this......what do they want?

NOT do they exist but what do they want?

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Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by thegagefather
Listen to the Alex Collier '94 interview. The greys are far more closely linked to the US than any other country in the world.

And why exactly should I believe this guy? What kind of positive proof is he putting forth? Or is it just more mythology?

Well, he predicts 9/11, and is off in date by less than 1 month.
His IQ high enough to rival Einstein's
He quit his 6 figure job to pursue his knowledge of this area further
He has no apparent reason to lie
The likeliness that at least one person on this planet has contact with ETs is high, if they really do have anything to do with Earth.

You don't have to believe anything he says, it's all up in the air at this point. However, just as in science, theory is more important than fact... You'll never learn anything without research and willingness to learn, instead of skepticism over every peice if evidence we have out there. Witness testimony IS evidence, whether or not it can be proven.

Originally posted by Mr Green
Good thread, very important subject. My question is very simple about this race and its this......what do they want?

NOT do they exist but what do they want?

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The most commonly believed theory is that Greys are here working for the Draconian agenda (To enslave); However, because they are supposedly too genetically modified to sexually reproduce, they are trying to use human DNA to create a hybrid race, or just restore their reproductive organs. Currently, all "credible" sources claim that the Zetas reproduce using cloning, or something similar.

Originally posted by thegagefather
Well, he predicts 9/11, and is off in date by less than 1 month.
His IQ high enough to rival Einstein's
He quit his 6 figure job to pursue his knowledge of this area further
He has no apparent reason to lie
The likeliness that at least one person on this planet has contact with ETs is high, if they really do have anything to do with Earth.

Yeah, but what's he GOT? Where's the beef, as it were? What can he show anyone that can be tested and verified? I know a lot of smart people. I'm no slouch, myself. And I'm not known for being a horrible liar. But that doesn't mean if I say I have leprechauns in my back yard I get a free pass and you should believe everything I say. I better come up with a pot of gold, or something. You get what I'm saying here?

Witness testimony IS evidence, whether or not it can be proven.

I agree that witness testimony is evidence. It's just not very good evidence. It's like finding a smoking gun lying on the street, but no body, bullets or blood.

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Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by thegagefather
Well, he predicts 9/11, and is off in date by less than 1 month.
His IQ high enough to rival Einstein's
He quit his 6 figure job to pursue his knowledge of this area further
He has no apparent reason to lie
The likeliness that at least one person on this planet has contact with ETs is high, if they really do have anything to do with Earth.

Yeah, but what's he GOT? Where's the beef, as it were? What can he show anyone that can be tested and verified? I know a lot of smart people. I'm no slouch, myself. And I'm not known for being a horrible liar. But that doesn't mean if I say I have leprechauns in my back yard I get a free pass and you should believe everything I say. I better come up with a pot of gold, or something. You get what I'm saying here?

Witness testimony IS evidence, whether or not it can be proven.

I agree that witness testimony is evidence. It's just not very good evidence. It's like finding a smoking gun lying on the street, but no body, bullets or blood.

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How many contactees do you know that came forward and said "Hey the aliens gave me this! They want everybody to know that they said hi, so they gave us this technology far beyond our understanding while thousands of light years away from their nearest planet, to tell all the nonbelievers that they exist. We might as well just give up our belief systems and get the Christians up in arms over the apocolypse, because hold on to your britches, Mary-Sue, the Earth isn't the center of the universe!"

Alex Collier wouldn't care if you refused to believe him, because he isn't trying to convince the world that ETs exist... he's only trying to convey his knowledge to those with an open mind.

Secondly, if you want to talk hard evidence, go up to the post where I talk about "Object 14." Find it, and debunk it. It's been studied by Linguistics PhD's, and yet none of them have been able to make any sense of it. Carbon dating is definately accurate within 1 billion years, and seeing as the artifact was dated to 4 billion years, that leaves that nice 1billion year gap from before Earth formed, according to all current sciences. so there's some "beef" to sate your hunger for hard evidence.

Begining to trail of topic... More on the supposed inhabitants of the Zeta systems will be posted soon.

Thanks for the patience.

Originally posted by Mr Green
Good thread, very important subject. My question is very simple about this race and its this......what do they want?

NOT do they exist but what do they want?

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For a more in-depth, but highly speculative answers of "Why" the greys abduct humans, click here www.abovetopsecret.com...

Source: www.burlingtonnews.net...

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Originally posted by thegagefather
Alex Collier wouldn't care if you refused to believe him, because he isn't trying to convince the world that ETs exist... he's only trying to convey his knowledge to those with an open mind.

So, in other words, he ain't got nothing. Okay. That's fine.

Secondly, if you want to talk hard evidence, go up to the post where I talk about "Object 14."

(FYI, most scientists date the Earth as being around 4.5 billion years old.)

But, oh, my goodness. I guess if you're going to buy a rock with a story and some random lines scratched on it who knows when as "proof positive," I really don't see how I can continue this discussion, other than to say good luck and keep doing your research.

UFO fleet spotted over Mexico.... maybe "spotted" is the wrong word.

This is often called the "most spectacular UFO fleet seen in history"

Speculated to be greys.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by thegagefather
Alex Collier wouldn't care if you refused to believe him, because he isn't trying to convince the world that ETs exist... he's only trying to convey his knowledge to those with an open mind.

So, in other words, he ain't got nothing. Okay. That's fine.

Secondly, if you want to talk hard evidence, go up to the post where I talk about "Object 14."

(FYI, most scientists date the Earth as being around 4.5 billion years old.)

But, oh, my goodness. I guess if you're going to buy a rock with a story and some random lines scratched on it who knows when as "proof positive," I really don't see how I can continue this discussion, other than to say good luck and keep doing your research.

Haha, quite a quick debunking. I wasn't focused on researching the rock as much as I was with bringing it to the attention on my forum. Thanks for the information. If I find any truely "hard evidence" I'll be sure to contact you.

But if you aren't going to accept or consider any of the evidence presented for you, then I'm not quite sure what you're seeking in this forum. It seems nothing short of a peice of the mothership or a skull with DNA samples is going to persuade you.

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Originally posted by nablator


The distances used in the data used by Marjorie Fish may be way off too. Both Tau1 Eridani and Gliese 86 are much closer to zeta Reticuli than they are supposed to be for a reasonable match such as this artistic interpretation:

You mentioned Gliese 86. It was a coincident that just before I logged onto ats I read an article, about a world like earth is this the same star system?

HATFIELD, England – In the search for Earth-like planets, astronomers zeroed in Tuesday on two places that look awfully familiar to home. One is close to the right size. The other is in the right place. European researchers said they not only found the smallest exoplanet ever, called Gliese 581 e, but realized that a neighboring planet discovered earlier, Gliese 581 d, was in the prime habitable zone for potential life. "The Holy Grail of current exoplanet research is the detection of a rocky, Earth-like planet in the 'habitable zone,'" said Michel Mayor, an astrophysicist at Geneva University in Switzerland. An American expert called the discovery of the tiny planet "extraordinary." Gliese 581 e is only 1.9 times the size of Earth — while previous planets found outside our solar system are closer to the size of massive Jupiter, which NASA says could swallow more than 1,000 Earths. Gliese 581 e sits close to the nearest star, making it too hot to support life. Still, Mayor said its discovery in a solar system 20 1/2 light years away from Earth is a "good example that we are progressing in the detection of Earth-like planets."

news.yahoo.com...

Good post.

It's funny how NASA comes out with the planets we think are "close to being inhabitable" and announces them to the public, but once they suspect activity in they retract it... Don't be surprised if the planet turns out being "a peice of cheese on the lense"

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Many Varieties of Greys

manuel.sekmeth.com...

Grey Autopsy?

www.ufocasebook.com...

Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin saw UFOs on the Moon, and admitted to it. Top clearance NASA officials stepped down when it was covered up to bring it to the general population.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

...I don't understand why some skeptics say NASA denies knowing about ETs. Maybe NASA the organization does, but not NASA the people... You know, the first-handers? The one outraged enough to lose their job just to tell you? Overly-strong skepticism is often times due to utter lack of research.

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come on man, I'm not convinced of this stuff in particular but aren't you being overly dismissive? It's clearly not just any rock; the oldest rocks ever found are just barely 4 billion years old.

Skeptics are the ones that lose credibility with debunking like that.