The Gender of our Creator Androgynous??

There was a time when we ALL use to refer to this place as "Mother Earth", What is the earth mainly filled with more continents or water?

Most will agree water, the very same will also recognize our bodies are made up of 78% water when born and the same very place we exit from the "Womb" is form those we call our MOTHERS which also has water within, Jordan Maxwell has explained the importance of water,the womb, and the purpose of birth certificates in detail plenty of times.


When you are baptized, you are baptized in water, only it's labeled "Holy" and its the most famous Biblical place for this is Jordan River, but never the less you are being re-entered into the same substance you wash your body with daily and the same substance you came out of, the main component of your body, and not only its that which is the source of life in itself.


Women's role and essential essence in life has been censored for centuries ever since Mary Madgalane (real name Mirium) was chosen to continue the message of the Divine son in the flesh which is that of the sole Creator of all himself.

Many wont tell you that the actual creator given when decides to take a human form is just like actual Angels, they are Androgynous

I mean surely you've thought such things? Especially given the VERY VERY old B.C. pictures depicted of Angels were naked but had no genitals not that they didn't want to show if they had them or not for pervasive artwork given that there were of course artists who have always made rather "explicit artwork" before the thought of the Porn Industry came into existence and Playboy was put on newstands..

But NO they painted them Androgynous because these creations of that of the VERY sole creator had no genitals.

The rebellion of Lucifer gives you detail that Angels were made from things such as water,air,and famously Lucifer was made from fire. Not only that even Churches preach he was the most "Beautiful" of all the Angels and he was also Chief before he rebelled.

And I'm sure you can accept the fact that they were Androgynous beings once you remember Adam and Eve were both created in that of the deity's very own image.

So either we have a very beautiful possibly with feminine features MALE God and league of Angels or we have both a God and the Creations co-existing as both counter-parts (male/female) just without the actual "features" of what both separates and makes the opposite genders.

That explains the reason why there was a 2nd rebellion in Heaven with the Fallen Angels from the Book of Enoch lusting after the daughters of men and creating the offspring known as the Nephilim basically giants (David vs Goliath)

It's also noted in the Book of Enoch when the descended from the Heavens (which we call space) they took form of humans, same way demons can appear as apparitions of whoever you wish them to be.

And there's the cold hard thought through truth that some never want to admit but is really the only most logical answer.

But some would rather believe in evolution, they really need to watch
"A Trip Into The Supernatual: With Roger Morneau" and take some demonology lessons.


Some may depict this thread as speculation, others with a brain and the ability to process common sense will most likely understand where I'm coming from and how it makes LOGICAL sense.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by hezekiah]

hmm kinda hard really if i was looking at the first thing you said that stud out was the "mother earth" thing.

I think the reason for the gender aspect is the comming together of choas in order to make order and the "female" gives birth to this.. our universe is kinda like the womb and our earth is a smaller womb "i hope i spelt that right" lol neways..

I think useing a women giving birth is a good corolation to how we got here

but then who is our farther? the farther of creation.. funny? i never hear about my mother much...

; )

Nice interesting topic!


i dont think "it" has a gender

Heavenly Father is used for a reason, the preferred state of spirit creature's is the male, all angels and demons always materialized as men.

Even when some angels decided to rebel against God they didn't become female. Even there children where always male.
Genesis 6 verses 1-4
1 Then the people began to multiply on the earth, and daughters were born to them. 2 The sons of God saw the beautiful women and took any they wanted as their wives. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years.”
4 In those days, and for some time after, giant Nephilites lived on the earth, for whenever the sons of God had intercourse with women, they gave birth to children who became the heroes and famous warriors of ancient times.

Women who go to heaven are rendered genderless, but then so are the men.

Some people will not like my next statements, but earthly women were designed by God to compliment the earthly man in every way; emotionally, physically, mentally, and spiritually. The perfect companion. But Sin, Abuse and Liberalism have messed that up so bad after 6000 years, the perfect companion isn't what it used to be. This cuts both ways for both male and female. That's one of the reason's there is so much homosexuality today.

But I digress, physically God is genderless, but ALL spirit creatures are considered Father(One) and sons(millions), there are no spirit daughters in heaven.

There is one spot in the bible that talks about a woman in heaven, and this is symbolic for God's heavenly organization, producing the Messianic Kingdom(Jesus Christ)

Revelation 12
The Woman and the Dragon
1 Then I witnessed in heaven an event of great significance. I saw a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon beneath her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant, and she cried out because of her labor pains and the agony of giving birth.
3 Then I witnessed in heaven another significant event. I saw a large red dragon with seven heads and ten horns, with seven crowns on his heads. 4 His tail swept away one-third of the stars in the sky, and he threw them to the earth. He stood in front of the woman as she was about to give birth, ready to devour her baby as soon as it was born.
5 She gave birth to a son who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her child was snatched away from the dragon and was caught up to God and to his throne.

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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
.... the preferred state of spirit creature's is the male, all angels and demons always materialized as men.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by Blue_Jay33]

Is the reasoning for your first part of that sentence the second part? Either way, I couldn't disagree more

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Very good replies my friends, both enlightening and thought-provoking :-D

(that's why I love this site)

Blue_Jay I agree with what you said about a woman's role to complete companionship 100% because the deceit and unfaithfulness today in relationships always reminds me of the Garden of Eden when the snake tricked Eve into not only deceiving God but Adam also.

So yes he corrupted the chance of the two opposite ever having "true happiness" if you would say but we MUST not forget where the "Inspiration" for such a counter-part creation came from.

Still that doesn't take away the fact that if GOD himself may not be Androgynous, surely his Angels (the creation BEFORE humans) are.

Most would agree beauty is associated with females considering they are 10x more concerned with how they look than males are, but before beauty was associated with Women it was associated with this all-male Angels you speak of, which again brings me to the conclusion they must've been Androgynous, especially if we we're made in his image.

Are we missing the fact I'm just saying the Creator or the Angels possess both features of both male AND female just without the genitals to separate distinction?

Because to me that would be in his image except when the 2nd creation came along which is the creation of humans (Adam) he decided to be more creative if you will, differences amongst the creations considering Angels have wings, Humans do not, so there you have already there was "thought,design, and basically a blueprint" of what will be apart of the new creation(humans) and what will not be.

So there you have a clear distinct picture that the actual sole creator exists of all things, that's the purpose and gives distinct CREDIT to that which is of his REAL Hebrew name YHWH "I Am Who I Am"

Surely you can recognize this? It only makes sense when you apply it to

Corinthians 10:4

"And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

The story of the rock that follows attempts to give us a sense that all things that are and ever will be in existence are creations, from divine inspiration coming from the King of Kings himself!

And I wasn't trying to challenge why we call him "Father" either because I have common sense to recognize he not only fathers, but gives birth to all (Life) and he does not both but all there is and ever will be.

It's up to you and I how we "use" these things given to us just like Nikola Tesla quoted "There's two reasons for everything a man does there's a Good reason, and a Real Reason"

But in our case of using free will with these choices and reasons there's a way to live it in the eyes that's pure and just which is that of our God's will, or that of those he casted out of the Heavens.

And who are we to say God can't take human form when he begot his only son to die for our sins? That's like us being dictators on what God can or can't do, is or isn't.

I believe one of the core purposes of the sacred Hebrew name YHWH "I Am Who I am"

Especially after considering the Rock that followed, God is of everything and all you wish him to be, the CREATOR, the very same creator responsible for passing that DIVINE inspiration to great minds that such of Nikola Tesla and even your Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (people call this; the HOLY GHOST)

Sometimes we get so lost in how great we are and then we begin to forget who's really greater than ALL, the spirit and the feeling from within to better mankind because in the beginning isn't that all our father sought on doing and continues to do everyday by giving us signs to "Let Him In" if you may when he Knocks?

But us having free will we can choose to either answer or ignore the fact GOD is there, and instead decide to make ourselves "Larger than LIFE" as some like to say.


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Therefore, time and time again we seem to "Forget Where We Come From" like the old folks and old friends, who usually still use such phrases today.


That is in fact we do, we forget we came from an ALMIGHTY creator one that just like his name "I Am WHO I Am" is basically him telling you he is of all which is.

So in the end who's to say he isn't of both male and female for both to exist there must exist a "sole" divine design or being if you may, a source. Like changes, alterations, making the creation whatever it may be "new", they come later.

Surely what we all refer to as the "feminine" side was created because before it was divided that too was and still is apart of the SUPERIOR being.

Only Once Adam felt he needed a counterpart (something reproductive) came the need to make a new creation, which really wasn't that new if you know the story of Adam and Lilith :0) but anyways, something if you will to distinguish between the two came into being when the thought of creating counter-parts because why? He creates.

But Keep in mind we are talking of the Hierarchy's to be Androgynous in the sense of excluding reproductive organs all together, no distinction so you wouldn't know male from female because why? No one is perfect but that of the all mighty Lord himself, and sense Angels favor humans or since they were created before us we favor them only MINUS wings and some major abilities. And since both were made in his image what does that make you think of what he/she would appear to look like if it decided to take form which I'm pretty sure he has given;

The creativity that of our father and his his praise for being such a divine Creator is demonstrated quite artistically given the description of the beasts if you ask me in Revelations 4 with the 24 thrones.



4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

6And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

7And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

9And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and WERE CREATED.

Really my friends whether we seek knowledge outside the Bible or not it always gives us the final "Closure" on what we seek to know it's only up to man to actually feel the urge to "Prove" such things like myself.

But I don't like referring to it at proving anything because that makes me sound arrogant as if I'm responsible for such knowledge and I'm not, I'm just sharing in hopes of enlightening others.


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Judaism, Christianity and Islam are male based religions and dominated by men. Most of the religions and beliefs that preceded those faiths were female dominated and women usually were the priestesses.

The Mother Goddess aspect of religious belief was so powerful that the early Church replaced her by giving a Goddess aspect to Mary (Mary, Mother of God, The Virgin Mary). Isis was extremely popular, and the populace did not want to give her up, so they replaced her.

Even the Jewish had temples to Isis/Ishtar, as she was a very popular Goddess.

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Well said, and while this was brought up I wish you guys would've said something about Yahweh/Jesus actually being the demon who is actually the antichrist and has framed Azazel to be the bad guy when he's really the one who gave us the free will to accept him or not, and since he was given the title Satan by the one who truly is wicked many choose not to.

Just the thought of how deep this rabbit hole has gone has made me

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