Obama calls for 'new beginning' with Cuba

reply to post by TailoredVagabond


I think he meant it as a figure of speech maybe? dunno
Anyway I'm all for new vacation resort stops.

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Starred and flagged due to the fact there isnt many negative Obama posts here and in the main, while old enemies should be kept close(r), people seem at last to recognise the importance of dialogue and besides - Cuba's a great place to visit!!!!

your the same type of person that says mexico is a good place to visit when beheaded bodies are hanging around you on the beaches.

I say a good thing...

Castro will be dead soon, as will most of the 'cold warriors' - and the rest of us youngsters are gonna be left wondering what the hell the problem is...

Move on - this is an old man's quarrel. Most younger cubans and americans don't even know what the embargo is all about and really don't care.

I always find the Cuba thing really hilarious. I mean come on - the US is the 'land of the free' yet you are told by your government where you can and can't travel? LOL

Nice work Obama... I hate his new dog though, it's really kind of un-masculine. Do you think maybe Obama had a homo experience at college? In his frat? Ugghh

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Starred and flagged due to the fact there isnt many negative Obama posts here and in the main, while old enemies should be kept close(r), people seem at last to recognise the importance of dialogue and besides - Cuba's a great place to visit!!!!

your the same type of person that says mexico is a good place to visit when beheaded bodies are hanging around you on the beaches.

Sure thing - but Jesus, I want it to be MY decision as to whether I go there or not - I don't want any government ass-hole telling me where I can and can't travel damn it.

Originally posted by Dutty_Rag

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Starred and flagged due to the fact there isnt many negative Obama posts here and in the main, while old enemies should be kept close(r), people seem at last to recognise the importance of dialogue and besides - Cuba's a great place to visit!!!!

your the same type of person that says mexico is a good place to visit when beheaded bodies are hanging around you on the beaches.

Sure thing - but Jesus, I want it to be MY decision as to whether I go there or not - I don't want any government ass-hole telling me where I can and can't travel damn it.

then you shouldnt complain if you so happen to get arrested and held on spying charges or some other BS charges for just being american.

I know better. This is just for show.

Obama is no dummy, Chavez is no dummy, and Castro certainly ain't no dummy.

These guys know who really runs America, and who calls the shots. The Fed! They also know who are the people involved with the Fed and other collaborative groups. The face may change, but people calling the shots are the same people who were calling the shots 80 years ago.

Something greater is going on here, that the public does not know about, and may never know.

Originally posted by Swatman
then you shouldnt complain if you so happen to get arrested and held on spying charges or some other BS charges for just being american.

But that's exactly my point - you know the risks so you decide if you want to go or not... Everyone should have the right to travel where they like - some kind of blanket ban on heading to a country just on political grounds is Big Government interfering in people's lives.

It's more than enough for the State Department to issue a Travel Advisory advising people of the dangers.

As a Brit, I've been to Cuba several times and love it. Amazing place. Lots of poverty, but certainly not dangerous for tourists. Indeed, they rely on tourism for much of their GDP, so anything that would put people off coming there is dealt with quickly and effectively.

If they open up the crossing then trust me, no one will be going to jail - they'll just open more hotels and brothels for all of the Americans who would no doubt flock their for the Cuban women. It would become like Tijuana! LOL

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by TailoredVagabond
Starred and flagged due to the fact there isnt many negative Obama posts here and in the main, while old enemies should be kept close(r), people seem at last to recognise the importance of dialogue and besides - Cuba's a great place to visit!!!!

your the same type of person that says mexico is a good place to visit when beheaded bodies are hanging around you on the beaches.

I have to hand it to you Swatman, you are consistent, never miss a chance to paint with a broad brush and expouse your myopic right wing ideology. Have you ever been to Mexico?
I spend a fair amount of time there chillin on the beach with a nice cold corona, livin large and I have never seen a beheaded body on the beach.
In fact I have never seen a dead body on the streets, in any Mexican city at anytime. However On the Mexican beaches I have seen some beautiful bodies belonging to women that were very much alive with their heads still attached.

I'm glad for the opportunity to visit Cuba and perhaps see some beautiful bodies on their beaches.

Life is much to short to not make every day a party. Swatman, someday I honestly hope you can find some peace and not see the world from a standpoint of fear and negativity.

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I think it’s a matter of Propaganda. After the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union we are left with


Cuba as the key benefactor.

The G-20 and Obama fear that Cuba truly can live sustainably. The fact is we need their GDP input. I wonder what strings they will pull with Cuba..I’m sure it isn’t a fair trade agreement.

Despite their economic road blocks they have defied history and the reorganization of their economy is in full swing. It seems fairly historic, especially with their neighbors to the north and south.

The main goal is to change the financial architecture. It’s the only way it can work. This chart only shows GDP for education. I’ll try to find a better comparison.

This whole thing has a more deceptive nature to it!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
OH yeah
Hes has been spewing some harsh rhetoric about the states lately. That's why it's kind of funny to see them shaking hands and laughing maybe something good will come of this who knows.

Hey, so has Obama....no wonder they get along!

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The Bonefish is overrated...you should go to the south shore and get some fresh lobster and barracuda....mmmm.

Slayer I think this quote from you pretty much sums this up

Yeah if we are not careful peace and mutual respect may break out

This is great. Fidel Castro wasnt much willing to talk with us, however the US wasnt much willing to talk with him either. Now that Raul (Castro's brother) is in power over there, he is excitited to talk with us, and hopefully work on oneday, removing the embargo.

Obama removing a few restritcions was a good start to get the ball rolling.

THIS is what I thought Obama would be best at doing. I thought he would be a good diplomat. That seems to be proving true.

I thought that he would be the best person (atleast out of who was running) to help get back all the respect that the US has lost. That seems to slowly be proving true.

Now I am not sure he is doing such a great job with the economy, but that is a story for a different thread, and I always suspected that diplomacy would be his best tool/quality.

Thanks for creating this thread Slayer.

obama is selling whats left of this country out from beneath us.

when obama was asked if he was a socialist and obama gets upset and calls back the reporter vehemtly denying is one.

and there he is shaking hands with the biggest example of what he wants this country to end up like.


spending trillions on the "great crusade of socialist change in america"

kissing the ass of cuba
kissing the ass of chavez

have you people actually read and heard what these people say do you know what they really think of united states.

cuba and venezula are even talking to the us they want something in return.

just like iran and north korea want something from us thing is we have nothing left to give them not even our self respect, not even or dignity anymore when certain dignitaries of this country go around begging other countries for money.

understand what obama truly represents. bigger government more interference in private lives.

if it looks like a duck if it sounds like a duck. in this case its a big government socialist duck.

from what i have seen both parties are corrupted beyond recognition having said that what i seen now is one party wants to give you things the other wants to take things away from you(because they think you have too much and dont deserve it) and both parties want you mad as hell at each other hence the hate speak.





[edit on 18-4-2009 by neo67]

Originally posted by jam321
I think it is time for the US and Cuba to let bygones be bygones. Restore relations and try to be good neighbors with each other.

Although this is a good gesture on Obama's behalf, I still don't buy that he would have done this if there wasn't a good reason to. I may be one of the few who believe there is a hidden agenda behind this. Otherwise a former President would have done this years ago.

I agree with this post, but would like to add:

I wonder if all this friendliness has anything to do with the new ID program? The one where you don't need a passport to travel in the western hemisphere. I don't know the name of it, but have seen commercials on it.

How about this, Raoul Castro orders the Dirección de Inteligencia and the Policía Nacional Revolucionaria to turn over Assata Shakur/Joan Chesimard and all the other 60s and 70s Black Nationalist and Marxist terrorists and then well talk.

This seems like good news on the surface

lets see how this really pans out later on

we sure have been gettin friendly with red nations lately. are we to see socialist reformation in the USA within Obama's time as Prez?

I agree with the late great Frank Zappa on socialism, it doesnt work because "people like owning stuff"

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Great point I'd rather be talking to these people than wondering what is going on behind close doors and not having a say what may or may not be happening besides we need all the business we can use over the next 30 years or we wont be able to pay back all the money we have borrowed.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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Edit to add this is a picture of Hugo Chavez that was posted with the story link
Yeah if we are not careful peace and mutual respect may break out.

I am skeptical of all parties but I like what I see here in this picture. I especially like your comment Slayer. Wouldn't that be something if mutual respect and peace broke out.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


I was going to start another thread but unfortunately good news doesn't get much press like the gloom and doom ones.


Rising Expectations on Cuba Follow Obama

PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad and Tobago — A day after President Obama pledged a new future in Washington’s relations with Cuba, Latin American leaders at a summit meeting here insisted that the future is now.

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I like this new approach Obama is taking it's clear after 40 some years that all the rhetoric and saber rattling towards Cuba has not gotten us anywhere.Sorry to all the people who have been anti-castro all these years but the past is dead.Chavez,well let's see what happens there.