G20 death was not heart attack

Here is my footage of the riot police that FIRST assaulted Ian Tomlinson. (Notice full black riot gear) This took place minutes before the second assault. Ian was facing the police line with his back towards a police van when two or three officers broke the line, bounded forwards and pushed Ian to the pavement then proceded to manhandle him down the road. The photographs and the video do not show the initial attack but plenty of people witnessed it. I am the guy with the bike. Sorry the picture is an external link for some reason and I can't upload it to ATS.

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Police officers not providing numbers when asked isn't new, I asked members of our local "incident" squad for their numbers back in 1991 and was refused. Eventually got them from the cgarge sheet of the bloke they hounded, made a complaint. Point being this was in rural East Anglia 18 years ago, and they threatened me with arrest for intimidation, meaning asking questions. I had a friend text me from London today telling me there was footage on the news of an Inspetor in the City of London force refusing to give his number to a reporter. Is there some sort of higher agenda in all this, is the UK on the brink of going down the French Gendarme and Surete route?

It is a legal requirement that an officer has to identify themselves to any citizen who asks they have to give their badge number .. i was told by a solicitor when i was in my late teens that a policeman on duty without his badge number on full view to the public could not be officially on duty and therefore should not be carrying out any police work like riot \traffic stops etc... p.s, i got off driving my bike with no insurance because the cop didn't have his badge number visible and refused to give it to me and there fore carried out an illegal traffic stop.......lol...

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Back in my Great Grandfathers day, he was a seargant in the met circa 1910 -1920 9that makes me sound really old!) didn't coppers have to have a striped band just above their cuffs to show they were on duty.

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It is alleged that there was a lawyer of sorts inside the police corden who told the protesters to remember the badge numbers of any officers that assaulted them to which they were all covered up.

its disgusting can you imagine what would of happened if i turned up to the protests in a balaclava with a bat and a shield? pushing people over?

it has opened my eyes alot though the day after you could see plain as day how the police and the media was trying to cover it up


where are the next protests?

I've been following all of the news with poor Mr Tomlinson with interest, and one of the things that struck me first was the fact that the policeman who struck him was to all intents anonymous. I've read this thread, and I like many posters thought that all UK police had to display their numbers at all times. This one didn't. How ironic that the SPG (I must be old, I remember their reputation) gave way to this lot, who seem to be a bit sharper about staying unidentifiable.

I hate to say this, but if the Govt had their way this would be a story about a man who got caught up in an unlawful "anarchic" protest, died from a heart attack as a result despite the efforts of brave, harried riot officers who were pelted with bottles by protesters even as they tried to save him.

When will we in the UK wake up and realise that while we weren't looking, the Govt took over and we're all servants.

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Aah I remember the SPG,t he bad old days of stopping and searching people due to suspicion, hang about, some things never change do they? Remeber the "Spitting Image" puppet called SPG, seems to have become a role model for some of todays Police!

Yes and the hamster in The Young Ones, Viv's wasn't it?

Timely that this week is the 20h anniversary of Hillsborough, can you imagine how modern policing would deal with that? Or was that where "kettling" was born?

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Wow Vivs hamster, completely forgotten that!! Actually weren't the Police ultimately to blame for Hillsborough, by letting in too many fans? Only one ambulance allowed on the pitch as well? It appears that sections of the Police service are being drawn into an increasingly political them and us scenario!

Yes, that's what's disturbed me most, the Police have become a political tool / force, that's surely a long way from what they should be.

It was the Hamster wasn't it, don't make me Google The Young Ones and remind myself how old I am...

Go to YouTube and find anything from 1990 or thereabouts it will remind how free we were and we didn't even know it.

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When were the Poll tax "riots" '92? in the 80's we had the infamous Battle of the Beanfield, and many others. Even so we did seem to have more freedom then. I remember coming home from a concert one evening (I lived in the "sticks") and being stopped by the local Police, showing them my concert ticket, and they let me go, it was 2am!!

That's my point precisely. Since when do you have to prove who you are or where you're going?

I'd love to think that twenty years ago the police were dealing with real crime, can you imagine what would have happened back then if Norman Tebbitt was writing letters accusing Michael Foot with being a pederast?!

Remember, it's not far removed from what's gone on this week.

Norman Tebbit, and Michael Foot, blimey real politicians, opposite ends of the political spectrum, but real politicians all the same!! Make the current generation look like schoolboy swots, Tony Benn was being interviewed recently, and was cautioning of putting a strong man into power because we think thats what we need? Is this where all the current unrest within the country is leading us, the disillusionment with politicians, the apparent lack of faith in the Police. This is going to lead to a siege mentality, and the death of innocents like Ian Tomlinson is going to become more common. Rant over!!

I can't think of an intelligent reply that isn't linked in to the political use of our police force, sorry. Can you imagine how a general strike would play out now? I'd be willing to try it to see just how far they'd go.

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For the tactics used to cope with a general strike, I think we only have to look back to the miners strike in the 80's, and add in 25 years of political machinations. To be honest the thought of it scares the bejeezus out of me!!!

Going back to topic, its shameful how the Met, not long after the De Menezes inquiry, try to completely whitewash and lie their way out of trouble, do they really feel they are above the law they supposed to uphold? There are many similarities in the way the met has managed to put itself on the back foot time and time again. Whatever the true cause of death, the actions of Police officers that day either caused or triggered the death of a completely innocent bystander!

Originally posted by fasrind
Going back to topic, its shameful how the Met, not long after the De Menezes inquiry, try to completely whitewash and lie their way out of trouble, do they really feel they are above the law they supposed to uphold? There are many similarities in the way the met has managed to put itself on the back foot time and time again. Whatever the true cause of death, the actions of Police officers that day either caused or triggered the death of a completely innocent bystander!

Did u ever see the Movie Judge Dredd
'I am the :Law!'

I am glad this has raised awareness throughout the UK about how our Police works.

Manslaughter? It should be murder.

"The officer involved has been suspended from duty.

The news came as attention remained focussed on the tactics used by Metropolitan Police officers who handled the G20 protests on April 1 and 2.

Another officer from the force's Territorial Support Group has also been suspended after a woman alleged she was struck during a protest held to mark Mr Tomlinson's death. "

Good start atleast.

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Originally posted by mr-lizard
A bit of justice at last, i'm thinking there's gonna be more stuff coming out on this.

I wonder how the police are going to change their tactics though?

Hopefully they wont just add a clause -
to read something like some of the government bills do -
in regards to testing on humans -
I don't remember the exact sentence -
but it basically says that they are not responsible or liable even in death -

I could see any up and coming "police state"
adding a similar clause to prevent people from suing - etc.
Let's hope not.