have you ever seen a plane stand still?

Dear God no. What an ugly paint job. No, it was predominately white with a blue stripe and red on the tail, or vice versa. It's been almost a decade so...yeah, lot of water under the bridge since then.

Ah, then it was probably an American Airlines flight or a US airways Flight.

AA Plane

US Airways Plane

Since American doesn't have a red tail section then it probably means that there is no correlation between the sightings.


[edit on 15-4-2009 by Studious]

[edit on 15-4-2009 by Studious]

Bingo. Pretty much identical to what I remember seeing. The reason I tried to call the airport for 4 hours (With no answer) was to see if one was landing at that time and to see if I could get a Flight # if so. At this late date, it's just something inexplicable I witnessed and there doesn't seem to be any avenue for research this late in the game. Still waiting for the OP to post again, I "know" my experience, I want to hear more about his if possible as this is verification, (For me at least), that I saw "something" that was a little bit more than out of the ordinary.

The harrier is seriously cool. I've seen it many times and the air show in St. Louis during the VP Fair. Serves as both a fighter jet and an attack helicopter. These things are fast as hell too.

Maybe some type of newbie alien race to the planet? Trying to disguise their craft as ours and they don't know ours are supposed to move FORWARD

Possibly a strong head wind, but even in these situations an aircraft doesn't slow down enough for it to look like it's motionless.

And Zena saw something similar too. What if it's something crazy to do with timetravel, like you or the plane got stuck in some kind of pause mode

I dunno!

Sorry if I am just seriously dense and have missed something here - but what is the relation to these janet flights that everyone keeps bringing up?

The videos show just planes, no stopping or amazing floating. The harrier is cool, but I think most people can tell the difference between a harrier and a commercial airliner.

But anyways, could someone please explain the link between those two things and expand on what a janet flight is. (other than a area 51 staff transport)

I have seen a plane stand still, follow the link for my story

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It seems more people are seeing this phenomenon! There have been a few reportings at the National Ufo Reporting Center too.

Funny how the plane I saw had red stripes down its sides........

I wanted to add also that the plane I saw was not approaching or moving away from me, it was a side view and it was definately NOT flying.





[edit on 17-4-2009 by Beauty_HairyBeast]

[edit on 17-4-2009 by Beauty_HairyBeast]

Hey, lemaster! You've opened a can of worms there, as I've found this subject keeps popping up.

Your original post asks the question, "have you ever seen a plane stand still?" After which you say, "My fiance and i just saw what appeared to be a commercial airliner hanging motionless at low altitude over the city..."

I have to answer and say, Yes! I have, and on several occasions. When I mentioned this to someone else, they suggested that the plane I was observing was either flying directly toward, or away from me, giving the illusion it was standing still.

After having observed this on several occasions, both during the day and at night, and not being dead on oriented with the plane, I have to say that I HAVE seen what appear to be typical aircraft behaving against the laws of physics.

You and I are far from alone; especially of late.

Before I present a mountain of links, I want to say that I believe these to either be piloted by extraterrestrial beings, or by individuals from secret military programs for some as yet unknown purpose.

I am leaning toward the ET hypothesis, because these craft are appearing all over the world like this, and in such a way as to draw attention to themselves. I understand the theory of "hiding in plain (plane) sight," but really wonder where these craft originated and why they are here, for all the world to see, and in such great numbers.

Here are a number of ATS threads from individuals reporting the same strange behavior. You have to wonder why so many people are getting so excited about what appear to be domestic aircraft.

Witnessed strange airplane LAX on 3/26 around 2am

Strange Planes

Overnight aircraft

weird plane formations/flying (not UFO)

UFO's Faking Jet Noises to Blend in?

Is this plane REALLY a UFO?

Plane that hovers

Just saw three red lights on jet, weird

Pulsing lights, helicopters, and a strange plane

Strange Plane

Trying to trace a plane...


YOUTUBE VIDEOS:


UFO's over Six Flags Georgia september 2008 OVNI (This videographer mentions strange planes flying in front of the ufos in the video)

UFO activity in the Hudson Valley (This videographer even states he believes ufos are imitating our aircraft)

The following videos are from Youtube user KingUFOKid, who has been videotaping these "aircraft" for a while now.

KingUFOKid Plane Video 1

KingUFOKid Plane Video 2

KingUFOKid Plane Video 3

Do military jets exist that can hover? Sure. Are they flying over populated areas, all around the planet? Not likely.

The question is, What's happening here? There are many reports I missed, only because I didn't look further.

To me, something big is happening, and it's tied into the ET / contact phenomena, and the changes occurring now no doubt.

Wonder if people will be curious enough now to look up and really "observe" what's up there. Especially, seemingly "domestic" aircraft.

Was the landing gear down? Were the flaps extended? Was the plane pitched upward slightly, or downward? Also, can you give us a more precise location? Maybe locate it on Google Earth or something so I can see its relation to airports? Which direction was the plane heading in relation to yourself? For example, directly towards you, away, or otherwise? Did it appear to start moving as soon as you stopped, or afterwards? Was the plane heading in the same direction has the car? Can you remember how many engines it had? Did it have winglets (ends of the wing that stick upwards)?

Thank you.

Also some of them kingufokid videos were definately aircraft.... haven't watched them all went over download limit,

[edit on 17/4/2009 by C0bzz]

(Another) Hologram perhaps?

Maybe you just witnessed a public testing of the latest technology eh!

If it did what you say it did..it's back to the drawing board for those guys.

[edit on 17/4/2009 by nerbot]

In 70's I was a Flight Instrument Instructor.
At Holloman AFB in New Mexico.
We were all Enlisted Airmen. NCO's
We were not allowed on the flight line.
They were worried we might get a wild hair & go for a joy ride.

One day 3 of us rented a small fixed wing prop plane in Alamogordo.
There was a constant straight wind at the small civilian airfield.
Always quite high at that time of year.

We were all instructors & only one of us had a license to fly.
We went threw all the normal junk familiarizing ourselves with the small planes Instruments. (Our Friends. Remember we were instrument instructors)

I had taken my flight instructor final with my peer.
I will call Bill to make it easier.
Well Bill & I could all but finish each others sentences so to speak.
We complemented each others skills.

Bill & I had never flown a prop plain in a simulator or for real.
We were excited. Young & a little crazy.

Rolling down the runway for take off.
Bill and I were quizzing the other guy about full flap roll & lift off speeds.
These speeds very from aircraft to aircraft.

Bill & I were used to dealing these ratings every day.
We dealt with them in jets although in the range of 135 knots or so.
We were surprised to hear "ohh 35 to 40 knots" quipped from the licensed pilot.

The Aircraft responded at the indicated speeds & we made normal uneventful landing after flying threw the pattern. At full flaps in that small Aircraft the angle of attack when landing is quite sever (Steep). It made Bill & I uncomfortable but we trusted our instruments as we were trained and all was good in the world: when we were safe once more on the ground & rolling for another take off.

"Hmm" I said. As I thought threw the take off.

Then I asked if the licensed pilot trusted me.
"Ya sure, but don't do anything stupid."

I glanced at Bill with a twinkle in my eye.
Bill frowned because he new me, then he just grinned.
I throttled back up & was just reaching roll speed when I said.
"Well if we take off at 35 knots" We did so as my sentence ended.

Then Bob said "And then we climb a little". As we reached 100' above the runway. "Then I throttle back a little." As I very slowly reduced the throttle.

We settled into a comfortable 38 knot level fight.
The wind was 40 or a little more.
Soooo we slowly drifted backwards down the runway at about 100'.
We did 2 more touch & go's in this manner before the tower guy yelled at us.

So in a word.
Planes can fly in place & backward & sideways.
Like a boat in water.
In a boat you drift along with the water.
In An Aircraft you Fly along with the Air.
It can be very dangerous for and aircraft at slow speed..
If the wind changes the aircraft becomes a rock without warning.
Bad unexpected events are called wind shear.
We are getting better at prodiction this effect for commercial flights.
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In another thought that might bend you perception.
Very large aircraft in example C5 have a very slow take off speed.
65 knots or so.
I had the chance to be underneath one at Lackland in Texas.
The ground literally shook as it passed over my head at 150' or so.
It is sooo sooo big the only way it can be described is Blimp like.
Even a half mile away it was as if it stood still in the air & the earth moved around it.

If any aircraft is turning towards you at a mile or more it may look as if it just hanging there. The larger the aircraft the greater the effect from my experience.

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Now to the Dark side.

More to follow

Most likely the plane is very high up, and you were watching from the oncoming direction, making it look like it was standing still.

Just like watching a train from very far down the rail, it looks like it is taking forever to come,but then blows by you.

Very large aircraft in example C5 have a very slow take off speed.
65 knots or so.

All large aircraft have a takeoff of over 100 knots, even STOL aircraft like the C-17. Airliners are more generally around 135 knots. What kind of plane did you fly backwards in?

[edit on 17/4/2009 by C0bzz]

I can't speak for the one the OP saw but the one I saw was side on to me, at most 400 yards away at about 400-500 feet and was stationary for the 12-15 minutes I stood on the side of the interstate watching. I can't stress enough that this was in no way an optical illusion. "What" it was and more importantly WHY it was is beyond me but I know what I saw.

reply to post by king9072

Originally posted by king9072
Sorry if I am just seriously dense and have missed something here - but what is the relation to these janet flights that everyone keeps bringing up?

The videos show just planes, no stopping or amazing floating. The harrier is cool, but I think most people can tell the difference between a harrier and a commercial airliner.

The point is lemaster described a plane with odd similarities to the markings on Janet aircraft. There is no substaintial evidence I have read that directly links Janet aircraft to hovering. However the markings are very similar and it is worth looking into.



Here are the quotes that made me notice the similarities

Originally posted by lemaster
The craft was white with a red tail and possibly a red stripe down the side.

Originally posted by treemanx
The plane described in the OP sounds kinda like a Janet flight out of Area 51........White plane with red stripe and tail......

Now on to your questions.

Originally posted by king9072
But anyways, could someone please explain the link between those two things

There is probably no link. Just interesting to see similarities in the description. The aircraft seen by lemaster just happens to have similar markings to these secret planes.

Originally posted by king9072
and expand on what a janet flight is. (other than a area 51 staff transport)

Wikipedia on Janet (Airline)


Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier, Inc. (EG&G) is a defense contractor. EG&G operates the Janet aircraft.

EG&G subcontracts security for Groom lake to Wackenhut.

Wikipedia on Area 51 talks of EG&G and Wackenhut.

These Janet flights allegedly fly from Mccarran to several places including Area 51, the Tonopah test range, Edwards AFB and Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake. Presumably they are only a transport service.



This site has brought up that CSC (Computer Sciences Corporation) may now be contracted for base security. However EG&G still has the contract to fly the Janet flights.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 17-4-2009 by Studious]

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I'm going to have to refer back to my previous post, because a preoccupation with identifying the plane itself has overshadowed, first, the bizarre behavior of the craft itself; and second, the fact that the original poster has just been added to a long list - and growing - of people who are witnessing seemingly domestic aircraft bahaving in very strange ways; ways contrary to the laws of physics.

lemaster says in his original post,

My fiance and i just saw what appeared to be a commercial airliner hanging motionless at low altitude over the city. We pulled over into a parking lot to ensure it wasn't some sort of optical illusion.

It appeared to be hovering and as we watched jerked and started to move slowly to the north. It was low enough for us to be able to see the windows and engines clearly. We saw exhaust coming from the far engines obviously moving away from the craft while it did not move.[Emphasis added]

This individual is sharing something I have experienced on a number of occasions; recently - for the first time in my life. My own sightings occurred within the last two years or so.

lemaster also shares something I have noticed as well, and frequently, but took it as an optical trick,

The craft almost seemed to be scaled down. Not quite sure how to describe that.

I've seen what appear to be commercial jets, but the size has been "off." Like lemaster says, it's hard to explain.

I've seen what appear to be commercial jets appear to "swim" across the sky; almost bobbing(?).

It's funny how I can post so many links to similar testimonials, even videos, and folks here want to dissect the type of plane it was.

Last post in this thread. Just wanted to point out the obvious...The elephant people seem to be trying to step around.

If I see a plane hovering that shouldn't be, or otherwise acting outside of the laws of physics, or reason, I tend less to be interested in dissecting what type of craft it is, and more interested in determining who's in it, and what they're doing.

Either we are seeing a bizarre case of mass hallucinations, or something very strange is going on in our skies of late.

Follow up on previous post to "Can an aircraft just stand still" Part 2

Question: What did you fly backwards in?

Weather: Very High Stright wind from the west
Cat 5 but very cool afternoon.
Alamogordo Civilian Airport - SW of town.

Aircraft: I am trained in t38/t26/f4/f15 Ect.
Thus I am not so familiar with the correct lingo in small prop aircraft
but here is my best shot.

Small single engine
high wing - 4 Seat instrumented rated - Cessna.

I don't know what else I can tell you about it but would be glad if you are specific.

---- Double check your fax's on the C5

The wing mass on the aircraft is is increadable.
Loaded Verses Unloaded maybe is what you are thinking of.

135 knots is reasonable loaded. It might even need to have minimal fuel to get off the ground & have attached Jato paccks. Then it would fuel up once up to altitude.

Unloaded it is a frigen kite.

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Back to the Basics
The Dark side.

With my previous post in mind there are other theory's.

A few of us UFO buff's believe that some UFO's can in a word cloak.
Some refire to it as projected holograms.

What ever you call it.
I have seen at least 3 of these objects in my lifetime in the daylight.
They seem to pop up repetitively & are sometimes not to scale.
One was the wrong type of aircraft for what they were doing in full daylight.
(They Mess'ed up they are Fa liable beings)
They are usually the precursor to following objects.

One of the most signifacnt UFO's that I witnessed after one such insident.
Flew slowly down the Michigan I94 Hwy (Detroit to Chicago)
It followed the median at less than 1000' in altitude.
It was massive. Over 1/2 mile long & 600 or so yards wide.
Small objects slowly flew off the main object.
While others flew towards it then docked with the main object.
I and another witness viewed it for over an hour.
As it progressed only about 15 miles or so.

The other method that is not talked about much is literal invisibility.
I have see 3 or 4 of these.
1 was one of ours.
2 were not.
Both had heat problems that betrayed reality.
Both were at night.
and very very close.
less than 100 yards.
I experienced lost time along with my wife during 2 of them.
That's a different subject.

It is my belief that if I had an Infra red or simply a heat monitor they would have stood out like a sore thumb.

I have seen different flight characteristics of UFO's.

One stood still until we intervened. (USAF Scrambled F15's from Holloman). The UFO then shot over the horizon in less than 2 seconds. (Over 500 miles - Weather clear & a million)

One of the most Bizare I witnessed in Michigan.
It swooped up & down rolling end from end.
It did so at less than 100' from the ground.
I observed this craft from about 1 1/2 miles.
I continued to roll like this until it stabilized under very high tension wire's.
(They are directly feeding from a near by nuke plant & are long transmission wires)
It then then just flew off at a normal speed. (for a Jet)
It flew purposefully to the north.
I believe it recharged something using the power lines.

Well i will but out unless you have any questions.

--- Watcher

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If I see a plane hovering that shouldn't be, or otherwise acting outside of the laws of physics, or reason, I tend less to be interested in dissecting what type of craft it is, and more interested in determining who's in it, and what they're doing.

Right.

And if see a plane I know what type it is instantly which can then help aid in finding out what the plane was doing; which is exactly what the majority of questions were about. So, uh, maybe you can find out who's inside by detecting what kind of plane it is, which direction it was going? Sorry it just seems the sighting was too vague. Yes plenty of people see Cigar shaped objects hovering in the sky; I've also seen Airliners appearing to hover in the sky merely from perspective. It's not wise to discount either.

The wing mass on the aircraft is is increadable.
Loaded Verses Unloaded maybe is what you are thinking of.

135 knots is reasonable loaded. It might even need to have minimal fuel to get off the ground & have attached Jato paccks. Then it would fuel up once up to altitude.


Unloaded it is a frigen kite.

Aircraft with similar wing loadings have stall speeds above one hundred knots even when completely empty thus there is no reason to believe the C-5 is any different.

[edit on 19/4/2009 by C0bzz]

Im just wondering wether the plane you saw could have been a NASA 747 like this one

science.ksc.nasa.gov...

Could be something liked with the Philadelphia experiment going on?

reply to post by C0bzz


?Aircraft with similar wing loadings have stall speeds above one hundred knots even when completely empty thus there is no reason to believe the C-5 is any different.

[edit on 19/4/2009 by C0bzz]"

Cobzz - Oh I love this site.
Challenging & intelligent conversations.
It makes us all better able to sort out our thoughts & idea's.

I Emailed Lockheed Martian to see if they could clear it up.
If its not classified.

I was a insturment instuctor in the USAF in the 70's
What I was talking about was skuttle butt that circulated about the C5.
One had recently been shot down with a bunch of orphins loaded on it.
It was quite a loss for us.
The nation did not take it too well.
It was one positve thing that could have come out of the war.
When we were in a would of s##t at the time.

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