Why are all the planets in a 15 degree plane?

I would be interested in explanations of why are all the planets in our little part of the verse exist within a 15 degree plane of each other.

With our Sun changing poles regularly.
I don\'t see a natural cause.
Unless we do live in a so to say in a a single plain.
I am just putting this out there to see what comes up.

I am looking forward to your thoughts.

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Watcher

The solar system formed out of a cloud of dust and gas. As the cloud condensed and contracted due to its own gravity, the angular momentum of the material caused it to to form a disk. Clumps formed in the disk and turned into the planets. The Sun formed in the center of the disk. That is why all the planets are in about the same plane.

Originally posted by Phage
The solar system formed out of a cloud of dust and gas. As the cloud condensed and contracted due to its own gravity, the angular momentum of the material caused it to to form a disk. Clumps formed in the disk and turned into the planets. The Sun formed in the center of the disk. That is why all the planets are in about the same plane.

Hmmmm....

Saturn?

Hey there,

The planets are not all exactly on the same plane. The Earth's plane is known as the ecliptic, and the Moon and planets all stray off of it by varying amounts over the years when you look at them.

If you look at a 3-d graphic of the solar system from an "edge-on" perspective, you'll see that different planets' orbital planes are on different tilts, or "inclinations" to use the official term.

The other oddball out there is Uranus, and it's a bit arbitrary to say whether it's retrograde or prograde in its rotation because the planet's rotational axis is tipped almost 90 degrees - meaning that it's "laying on its side" so the choice of which pole is the North pole is somewhat arbitrary. In any case, no other planet has such a highly enclined rotational axis.

Now - on to the "why" part of the question.

The solar system formed from a spinning disc of space dust and gas. This gas and dust had enough gravity to hold it together in the first place, and then as mass started to collect near the center, it formed the Sun and started nuclear fusion. The Sun is rotating for the same reason that the planets orbit it - the original angular momentum of the dust disc remains in the Sun. As figure skaters spin faster and faster when they pull their arms closer to their bodies, so the Sun started spinning faster and faster as the material of the dust disc compressed smaller and smaller.

The same is true as to why the planets rotate. As bands of dust began to collect and form planets, they spun faster and faster as they collected the angular momentum of the particles of dust.

Planets like Uranus and Venus with peculiar rotations are thought to have been hit by other objects in their past, altering their rotation.




Jacob

Gravity acts from the center of the Sun.

Going too far from the plane of the equator of the Sun causes
the planets to realign with the equator.

The same for planet moons that spin around the planet
equator.

Well lets say in time if some Moons and Planets are off the
equator.

Even though gravity acts from the center, we are told the imbalance
of going too far to the top is drawn back the the more massive
bottom the brings the planet back to the equatorial plane.

I would rather an electrical universe moment answer but I
don't know any.

I didn't check any of my astronomy books but I'm sure the
gravity answer should be what is in there.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Gravity acts from the center of the Sun.

Going too far from the plane of the equator of the Sun causes
the planets to realign with the equator.

This is not true. The gravitational force from the Sun is radial and would not change this.

The previous poster was correct. The Solar system formed from an initial cloud of material which, by accident, had a net non-zero angular momentum.

Once you combine that fact, the conservation of momentum, and the clumping due to gravity you end up with objects with closely aligned orbital axes.

One might ask another, more fundamental question: why do planets all orbit in the same direction? Because they all got their original angular momentum from the same place and it hasn't ever gone away.

Even though gravity acts from the center, we are told the imbalance
of going too far to the top is drawn back the the more massive
bottom the brings the planet back to the equatorial plane.

Nope.

We have satellites around the Earth in polar orbits and equatorial orbits. The ones in polar orbits are not being pushed into equatorial orbits.

I would rather an electrical universe moment answer but I
don't know any.

I didn't check any of my astronomy books but I'm sure the
gravity answer should be what is in there.

Your astronomy books should have the right explanation in there.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Gravity acts from the center of the Sun.

Going too far from the plane of the equator of the Sun causes
the planets to realign with the equator.

This is not true. The gravitational force from the Sun is radial and would not change this.

The previous poster was correct. The Solar system formed from an initial cloud of material which, by accident, had a net non-zero angular momentum.

Once you combine that fact, the conservation of momentum, and the clumping due to gravity you end up with objects with closely aligned orbital axes.

One might ask another, more fundamental question: why do planets all orbit in the same direction? Because they all got their original angular momentum from the same place and it hasn't ever gone away.

Even though gravity acts from the center, we are told the imbalance
of going too far to the top is drawn back the the more massive
bottom the brings the planet back to the equatorial plane.

Nope.

We have satellites around the Earth in polar orbits and equatorial orbits. The ones in polar orbits are not being pushed into equatorial orbits.

I would rather an electrical universe moment answer but I
don't know any.

I didn't check any of my astronomy books but I'm sure the
gravity answer should be what is in there.

Your astronomy books should have the right explanation in there.

That is just it.
I have asked astronomers.
All are quite perplexed.

I under stand the rotation explanation.
Why are some aligned to our so to say 15 degree plain.

Others may prove to have the same degree of plain but are in a 45 degree offset from ours.

This seams like a simple question but it is not.

Compare our sun to others.
Are they the same?
Are they limited to the same plain?
Are they aligned to ours if limited to the same plain?

Dose this apply to Galaxy systems?
They are all tilted this way & that when viewed
Dose this have significance?

Atoms can not be viewed as far as I know.
Without blowing them to kingdom come first.

Why would the 15 degree plain not apply to their electrons?

We were taught that they exist every where with in there valence shell at once. I wonder if it is just a limitation of our technology of not being able to viewing their component's in a freeze frame.

I once was privilaged to look at an electron microscope that a Dr was analyzing & viewing micro cracks in operating needles. The world is much stranger than we procieve.

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Mystic's have come out & said that we are what we are.
We are composed of what we experance.
Everything we eat, do & say.

Looking close enough we may find our selves.
Just looking back.

I say this half in Jest.
I am very interested in the Tech end...

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Watcher

There are all sorts of satellite paths.

Some Moons or Planets may not be in the 15 degree plane,
but perhaps will be.
However the central gravity object must be rotating if I recall.
Still recalling from astronomy books and lectures.

Comets come in at all angles and if captured may never
be in an equatorial plane.

Gravity does not have enough variables to effect positioning
as perhaps an electronic universe does with Sun currents
and transfers of momentum via current and charge forces.

Currents are going into the equator of the Sun from the
planets and thus might play in the equatorial alignment for
a highly conduction object like the Earth.

Actually the earth is the only one at a 15° (0°) plane:

Orbital Inclination (degrees) - The angle in degrees at which a planet orbits around the Sun is tilted relative to the ecliptic plane. The ecliptic plane is defined as the plane containing the Earth's orbit, so the Earth's inclination is 0.

Source

Mercury 7.0°
Venus 3.4°
Earth 0.0°
Mars 1.9°
Jupiter 1.3°
Saturn 2.5°
Uranus 0.8°
Neptune 1.8°
Pluto 17.2°

No 2 inclinations are the same.

Cheers.

Seems to have nailed it. ^^

Originally posted by Demonis
Seems to have nailed it. ^^

By 2.5 degrees.
Don't think so.
Chuck out Pluto.

The plane of rotation of the Sun still govern all the planets.

Why?
Because of gravity imbalance from the central point or from
current paths of a stellar electric motor.

Even nine inch nails can get bent, and do when the
gurus grow them.


ED: Anyway thanks for checking an astronomy book.

[edit on 4/27/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

What is your interest based on?
Near rings? Skew Fields? Prime numbers?
(111111 = 3*7*11*13*37).

The planets are attracted by the gravity of the sun, but also one another.

This is why they tend to form a line within a plane. Some argue we'll lose Pluto if a body encroaches close enough, which would destabilize the Solar System. Others think we may pick up an extra planet that wanders in too close. Also, destabilizing the Solar System.

Originally posted by eyecatching
The planets are attracted by the gravity of the sun, but also one another.

This is why they tend to form a line within a plane. Some argue we'll lose Pluto if a body encroaches close enough, which would destabilize the Solar System. Others think we may pick up an extra planet that wanders in too close. Also, destabilizing the Solar System.

12th Plant style.

I am trying to discribe the plain I am speaking about.

Place the sun at center of the table.

Now place the planets all in there proper position on the table top.
The plain that I am asking about it +-7.5 Degree's from the center of the sun tilting up and down from the table top.
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The zero represents our sun.
The dash's are the area that I am speaking of.
The planets skew their orbits within this area.
Not their poles alignment to the suns poles.

The line threw the center of the sun would be the zero area.

Is this line parallel to other stars?

Tesla's electronic explanation triggers my electronic background.
Cap & Inductance influencing the orbits.
That why posted the question looking for an interpreter for a layman.
I maybe confusing my simple atomic explanation for something much bigger.

I was thinking that the harmonic of the body in the flied would be a constant.
And that it might apply upon all aspects of matter.
Fixed Inductance Fixed Mass Fixed Cap.
If this were true I would expect to see patterns repeating in the stew of creation.....

I am trying to find a Harmonic table value for all elements.
I would think it would be organized like the periodic table.
I would think that I would have to have temperatures of Electronic & Physical Harmonics.

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Lost looking for answers - Watcher


[edit on 4/28/2009 by n120by60w]

reply to post by n120by60w

The planets in other systems also orbit around their own stars in close to the same plane.
www.skyandtelescope.com...

Are you asking if all of the other planetary systems are in the same plane as the Solar System? There is no reason to think so. The plane of the Solar System is at an angle of about 60º to that of the Milky Way. The formation of planetary systems is independent of the galaxies in which they form so the plane of their orbits would tend to be random in relation to the galaxy.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by n120by60w

 

The planets in other systems also orbit around their own stars in close to the same plane.
www.skyandtelescope.com...

Are you asking if all of the other planetary systems are in the same plane as the Solar System? There is no reason to think so. The plane of the Solar System is at an angle of about 60º to that of the Milky Way. The formation of planetary systems is independent of the galaxies in which they form so the plane of their orbits would tend to be random in relation to the galaxy.

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Picture below
Is this what you are saying
Or are the plains random

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I believe this would apply in the all the XYZ Axis's depending on their position with in the Prominent Center Black Hole.

Watcher







[edit on 4/28/2009 by n120by60w]

reply to post by n120by60w


The planes are random, that's why it so rare to find another solar system whose plane is aligned close enough to ours for us to see its planets transiting the star. That's why the Kepler mission has such a huge sample size of stars to observe. Only a tiny percentage will show transiting planets, even if most of them do harbor other worlds.

Originally posted by ngchunter
reply to post by n120by60w

 

The planes are random, that's why it so rare to find another solar system whose plane is aligned close enough to ours for us to see its planets transiting the star. That's why the Kepler mission has such a huge sample size of stars to observe. Only a tiny percentage will show transiting planets, even if most of them do harbor other worlds.

I don't understand is there is so much stuff out in the Ord cloud.
Looking threw it?
For things much smaller from our prospective.

Why optical observations
are not just made irrelevant by skewing of data?

Is it like looking threw a window screen?
Missing data but still a good picture?

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reply to post by mbkennel


Non of you are actually right.

How does dust attract dust in space?
They both need to be magnetic in that case?

How does very hot dust attract cold dust if there is space between them?
In that case!! If the heated and cold dust is magnetic that could happen if the distance is right between them.

Why does a rock fall to the ground?
Could it be the atmosphere between the ground and the rock that makes the rock fall to the ground?
The rock won't go up because the atmosphere is thinner above the rock.

To have gravity in space besides a magnetic force you need a atmosphere of some kind that can make them attract.





[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

Originally posted by spy66
To have gravity in space besides a magnetic force you need a atmosphere of some kind that can make them attract.

If that were the case, it would be impossible to orbit anything around the moon since the moon has no atmosphere and no significant magnetic field. Clearly this is not the case.