Study shows a prominent 62 million year mass extinction cycle - We are on the brink of the next one

reply to post by Lasheic

Originally posted by Lasheic
Er, how do you know you've already covered it if you don't even know what the graph is? The graph itself is a visual representation of the numerous extinction events. There have been six major extinction level events, including the one we're supposedly in now. However, the major ones do not adhere to a 65-million year cycle, and the lesser extinction events do not show any apparent pattern coinciding with what you're proposing. If there is a cycle, then the magnitude of the event is essentially indistinguishable from other minor to major extinction level events. This prompts a big - whoo-hoo - who cares? All it would do is prompt studies to fill in a few more gaps in our understanding of what caused some extinctions - but overall they'd still be lost in a varying sea of other extinction level events.

That's what I assumed the graph was of, and I've already explained that no matter what graph it was, the physicists don't have to play a game of finding a cycle in any graph, their results are derived solely from the fossil study and it clearly showed, beyond shadow of a doubt, that mass extinctions were occurring on a 62 million year cycle. Yes, they would be visible in some way on the other graphs, but as you said, because we can't see the apparent pattern, it must mean that the magnitude of the event is essentially indistinguishable from other minor to major extinction level events BUT it's still a mass extinction, and it's certainly not a "who cares" situation.

Originally posted by Lasheic
As another poster above said, there's a huge time-frame window and likelihood of it occurring in our lives is minimal. Further, we've already got our own human-caused extinction event to worry about.

Not to mention it is INCREDIBLY suspect that the cycle just happens to be 65 million years - implying that we should run for the hills, because the next one is upon us since the last major extinction event most people are familiar with is the K/T extinction which ended the Dinosaur's reign. Oh oh! And 2012 is coming up! Sweet justification! Bleh.

Insofar as crossing galactic planes, I've yet to see a single convincing argument that we're even actually going to be crossing this plane, let alone that it would have any detrimental effect on us.

Did you miss this part?

With a 3-million year uncertainty in the calculations, that 64 million year cycle matches well enough with the 62 million year cycle of extinctions. The match resonates with Richard Muller

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The extinction event that cries out for explanation here is the most recent, the Cretaceous/Tertiary dinosaur extinction that dates back some 65 million years. It’s exceptional in this context because it occurred within two million years of the Solar System’s mid-plane galactic crossing.

If you can't see how smoothly all of this fits together...good luck trying to connect the dots with any conspiracy. This is why I want to know when the hell we are passing through the galactic belt. We need a straight answer.

Originally posted by Lasheic
Finally, regarding the Mayans - I still don't see how their knowledge of astronomy, mathematics, or physics is anything so extraordinary that it must be attributed to UFOs or the supernatural.

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However, I notice that nobody generally attributes the advancements of Greek knowledge to UFOs. Nobody speculates that Aristarchus had divine alien knowledge handed to him when he correctly argued for not only the Heliocentric model - but correctly placed the planets and the stars in their proper places within that model. Nobody claims alien intervention when Eratosthenes was able to (within 1% accuracy) correctly measure the diameter of the Earth - from which he and his contemporaries could use the arch of the Earth's shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse to measure the diameter of the moon, it's distance from Earth, and it's orbital velocity, all with rather impressive accuracy. You know how they did it? They used two sticks and some math. Hardly high tech.

So did they see a shadow of the solar system on the galaxy to figure out our cycle through the galaxy and then decide to end their calendar at a time extraordinary close to when we would be passing through the galactic plane? I can't get a straight answer as to when we will pass through it, I've heard we just did, or we are just about to, but one thing is for sure, it happened recently, or is happening recently, and 2012 is extremely close to when ever it may be.

Originally posted by Lasheic
If the Greeks could reach such an advanced state all on their own, and we know it because we have either their dissertations or correspondence regarding these works, then why couldn't the Mayans figure out what they did on their own? Were they the "special-ed" of human civilization, needing a kick-start from ETs just to get up to par?

I would like for one human on Earth to tell me how they managed to figure such a thing out, when humans have only recently calculated the cycle using modern scientific methods. Oh...that's right...they used two sticks and some math.


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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Even if we're on the brink of the next one what's the 'brink' relative to a 60 million year cycle? 10,000 years give or take?

Yes, that's one thing I can't argue upon. Even if we just did, or are about to cross the galactic plane, we don't really know what the cause is, we can only link it to the crossing...it could be up to another 2 million years before anything actually happens. It just seems to me that 2012 is such a significant date, and when we can link it to mass extinction in such a compelling way...well it makes me think there may be more to this 2012 thing than most people think.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I'm confident mass natural extinction isnt going to happen in my lifetime. Mass man-made extinction however....

We've been causing a slow mass extinction for a while now.

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I'm going to go out on a not-too-streteched limb here..

Has anyone taken into account a Pole shift?

And just what is it that we could lose that would make life 'harder' if we pass through the plane?

Could a combination of plane passing and a pole shift make life just as difficult as it already is, or could life exist on a higher mental level rather than relying on technology. Could this be why the dinosaurs died out? They had no concept of spirit or soul or magic or electricity.

We mostly rely on our tools to survive these days, electricity is a major factor.
Could any event make a lot of our tools 'void'?

And thinking of a little video I saw a while back... It would not be a comet alone that would do all the damage.

What happens to a planet when a comet hits? The planet gets bigger.. it has taken on more material so what must the planet do to compensate for the exess matter? It must grow.. and how does it do that? By the breaking of its surface causing earthqakes and volcanoes... Add those events into the impact of the comet and you have some serious butt kicking action going on.

A comet strike is just bad luck, but if any odd event takes plce as we go through the plane then I cant honestly see what difference it would actually make unless we had a pole shift at the same time, which occur every 32,000 years if I remember correctly, so each event on its own must not be as bad it would seem, but a combination is the killer.

Even if we did lose the ability of things like electricity or radio, there would still be a mass of us left alive.. many would ot know what to do or how to get by, keep warm, cook.. Many will simply starve or kill each other over any resources readily available, which in turn would be quite a sad end for many a pet cat or dog.

Anyway, in regards to the expansion of the planet via comet strikes, I'll post this vid here as it keeps me guessing...



And also, I found this site, not sure if it is in any way connected to the maker of the vid, but,
www.expanding-earth.org...

Originally posted by Extralien
I'm going to go out on a not-too-streteched limb here..

Has anyone taken into account a Pole shift?

Yes, I thought about that for a while and came to the conclusion that it couldn't be.

Originally posted by Extralien
And just what is it that we could lose that would make life 'harder' if we pass through the plane?

We don't even know what is going to happen when we pass through the plane...so we don't even know what we might lose, nor how we will lose it.

Originally posted by Extralien
We mostly rely on our tools to survive these days, electricity is a major factor.

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Even if we did lose the ability of things like electricity or radio, there would still be a mass of us left alive.. many would ot know what to do or how to get by, keep warm, cook.. Many will simply starve or kill each other over any resources readily available, which in turn would be quite a sad end for many a pet cat or dog.

Well, the past mass extinctions had a measurable effect of most species, and they weren't dependent on any sort of technology. I can only imagine how vulnurable we are these days. With dependence comes weakness.

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i read this:
www.physorg.com...

PhysOrg.com) --
Mass extinctions occur repeatedly, though irregularly, throughout Earth’s history,
and occasionally these extinctions have been devastating to life on our planet - or have they?
Extinction events have sometimes accelerated the evolution of life on earth by eliminating old dominating species and making room for new ones. A new study ...

Mass Extinctions, Ancient Viruses May Hold Clues to Life’s Origins
April 3rd, 2009 By Lisa Zyga

According to a new model, because these viruses live in hot, acidic environments, they may have been immune to the mass extinctions throughout Earth’s history,
which explains why they have almost nothing in common with today’s more modern organisms. Image credit: Jalasvuori and Bamford.

local cosmic events are the more likely explainations for these calamities...
nearby GRBs, wandering Black-Hole encounters, preturbuations of the Oort cloud of icy comets into the inner solar system...

there s an exotic idea that our solar-systems oscillation to the border of the Galaxy edge... causes distress because there is an 'envelope' of 'Dark-Energy' which forms a sort-of membrane around the material Galaxy.... just what would the inter-action between a close proximity to matter-&-DarkEnergy/DarkMatter result in ???
One fallout from such interaction might result in mass-extinctions

Originally posted by St Udio

Mass Extinctions, Ancient Viruses May Hold Clues to Life’s Origins
April 3rd, 2009 By Lisa Zyga

According to a new model, because these viruses live in hot, acidic environments, they may have been immune to the mass extinctions throughout Earth’s history,
which explains why they have almost nothing in common with today’s more modern organisms. Image credit: Jalasvuori and Bamford.

Very interesting...this could give us a clue as to what may happen.

Originally posted by St Udio
local cosmic events are the more likely explainations for these calamities...
nearby GRBs, wandering Black-Hole encounters, preturbuations of the Oort cloud of icy comets into the inner solar system...

Yes, but here we actually have a working, and very compelling theory based on facts and evidence, why move off onto other totally theoretical ideas?

Originally posted by St Udio
there s an exotic idea that our solar-systems oscillation to the border of the Galaxy edge... causes distress because there is an 'envelope' of 'Dark-Energy' which forms a sort-of membrane around the material Galaxy.... just what would the inter-action between a close proximity to matter-&-DarkEnergy/DarkMatter result in ???
One fallout from such interaction might result in mass-extinctions

I'm not sure what such an encounter would result in but that could very well be the cause. I don't think we will come up with an answer as to what will happen, only that it will happen and it's linked to our solar-systems oscillation around the galaxy.

Come on people...where is the interest...what do we think about all this...theories...ideas...information...

Yeah, it's going to be hell when we transit through that gravity wave (a.k.a. galactic equator/plane) come 2012. Rumor has it that it will take about 3 months to pass through the worst of that wave. Apparently this will cause the poles to flip, which will spawn tremendous earthquakes and volcanoes, break up continents, sink some existing continents while others rise. Large solar CMEs are suppose to happen too. Already the climate on all the planets within our solar system have begun to warm up as we get closer to this gravity wave.

Yeah, I've been reading about all this stuff for quite some time now. The evidence it pretty darn overwhelming and convincing. Rumor has it that the big governments know that this is coming, and they have been building a lot of underground survival habitats/bunkers (some quickly and easily accessible by air, like the one off and under the Denver airport). And, in the US here, apparently they are busy stuffing all kinds of knowledge and valuables into some place called Iron Mountain too.

I myself think part of this current economic mess is caused by our government funneling money (via these bailouts) into the continued construction and supplying of these underground survival bunkers. The government has been purchasing huge stockpiles of freeze dried food (from companies such as Oregon Freeze Dry) for these facilities too. Rumor also has it that they, the PTB, have known about this impending doom since 1910.

I guess time will tell if any of this is true or not, huh. I've spent many years reading about all this and I'm quite convinced it is true. I'd be taking bets but .. well, you know .. how would I collect later after all of this has come to pass?

Enjoy what time you have left. And hey, at least ya don't have to worry about saving for your retirement. And, no wonder the government doesn't seem concerned about the state of the social security balance sheet, ha. And, no wonder they are printing money like there's no tomorrow, ha.

Oh, and for those nah-sayers that blow all this off and criticize those that are trying to warn you, while you haven't spent at least a year researching any of this to know what you're talking about .. here's laughing in your DOOMED face NOW .. because it will be too late to do so later when you're proven ignorant about what all this is about. The galactic equinox is REAL! Research this completely .. I swear, if you do, you'll become convinced too. When I first heard about all this back in 1996 for the first time, I laughed. I'm not laughing now though, because it's REAL, it's cyclic, like the 4 seasons every year here on Earth. And, they are keeping it a secret! Be ready .. or be DOOMED!

First of tall, the study by Rohde and Muller was not looking at extinctions but in cycles of biodiversity. They don't claim a correlation with extinction events.

We indicate the five major extinction events of Raup and Sepkoski by dashed lines. They all occur during declining phases of the 62-Myr cycle, indicating that the 62-Myr cycle might be related to the timing or magnitude of these extinctions. However, as shown in the Supplementary Information, extinctions do not demonstrate as strong a periodicity as that shown in diversity itself.

muller.lbl.gov...

Nor are their methods without criticism. Both their use of available data and their statistical analysis have been called into question.

Note that Kirchner (and Weil) write, "Rohde and Muller demonstrate a 62-m.y. cycle in fossil biodiversity during the Phanerozoic."

NO, THEY DO NOT!!! They demonstrate that Fourier analysis (which MUST produce a cycle) found the best cycle it could in the remnants of a crippled data set, and that cycle had a period of 62 million years.

www.geology.ucdavis.edu...

But, allowing that such a cycle of biodiversity (not necessarily extinction) may exist, it is problematic trying to relate it to the harmonic oscillation of the solar system. The period of the oscillation is thought to be anywhere from 83 million years to 52 million years. The uncertainty is because we don't really know exactly where the "plane" is. The galactic arm we call home is 2-3,000 light years thick. We don't know exactly where it starts or where it ends. To pin down our crossing of the plane to a specific year is futile. To claim a specific date is silly.

You see a conspiracy because of conflicting theories? It's called science. You're going to find a lot of conflict when the theories involve as much speculation as these do. But whatever the case may be, according to some, we are not entering the galactic plane, but leaving it. It is thought that we passed through it, on our way "up" about 2-3 million years ago. The "danger" would seem to be lessening rather than increasing. Again, there is no way we have of knowing exactly where the plane is.

For all the models we consider, the most recent passage of the Sun through the galactic plane occurred in the past 3 Myr provided only that the present position of the Sun is between 0 and 20 pc above the plane.

www.nature.com...

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I think the earth will never be a perfect place regarding weather (even today feels GREAT OUT).

But. if we are 3 million years out of cycle, lets say with another million years, you would think humans (if we do not kill ourselves) will be technologically advanced enough to live through whatever comes our way?

Originally posted by CHA0S
scientists who discovered the pattern after a painstaking computer study of fossil records going back for more than 500 million years.

This 500 Million year date bracket is important, because the journey around the milkyway lasts around 250 +/- million years, so we can say we have a snap shot of the last two trips from the fossil record.

If we travel through a particularly dusty arm of the spirals off the milkyway, then I would imagine it could have some sort of adverse effect on the earth.

The main problem with understanding this trip is that human science has only been in existence for the past 7,000 years or so, and that is not even 1/10,000th of the trip, so there could be some highly unpredictable events along the way

OOOHHH, NOOO, WEEE ARE SCREEEWED !!!

The CHART in first article that you posted a link to.

This chart shows previous extinction events of concern or that we have record of ...

I have previously studied this by looking up extinction events in Wikipedia and their chart was much more ambiguous, extinctions where not so peaky more ON-GOING but this chart is from Berkeley certainly a more scholarly source and of greater authority !!!

THE CHART SHOWS 8 PREVIOUS EXTINCTION EVENTS !!!!!!

1: Sponges 2: Arthropods 3: Unknown 4: Unknown 5: Unknown 6: Spined brachiopods 7: Trilobites 8: Dinosaurs 9: Humans !!!!!!


ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin ELEnin

EXTINCTION LEVEL EVENT NINE !


number nine,,, number nine,,, number nine,,, number nine,,, TURN ME ON DEAD MAN !!!

I've seen galactic models that reveal massive jets of plasma that emanate from the galactic core (mega dense black hole). I wonder how close to this super charged jet we actually come...

If these jets are what they're calling 'the galactic plane'... whoa nellie! I can see where all the gamma rays, asteroids, comets, and distorted orbits come from! It would explain the calendars and every thing else!

So... Who can verify this theory of mine?

Interesting read OP

And there was me worrying about starting a Pension and providing for my retirment in 20 years or so.......

I might just go and book that holiday to the Maldives instead now....!

Cheers

PDUK

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo
I've seen galactic models that reveal massive jets of plasma that emanate from the galactic core (mega dense black hole). I wonder how close to this super charged jet we actually come...

If these jets are what they're calling 'the galactic plane'... whoa nellie! I can see where all the gamma rays, asteroids, comets, and distorted orbits come from! It would explain the calendars and every thing else!

So... Who can verify this theory of mine?

Edit to add:

Ok folks - I've looked at info on Sagittarius A* and the link provided shows a picture of it shot by Chandra.

THE IMAGE SHOWS NO AXIAL PLASMA JETS ANYWHERE... TO THE CONTRARY IT APPEARS THAT THE PLASMA JETS ARE DIRECTLY FACING US!!!

This has GOT to be the smoking gun of all the damn silence. If this is indeed the case, this is beyond mind blowing!

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But the article says that these 'jets' are 12,000 light years away ??

PDUK

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I know it says that, vs. where are they? We should clearly see them in this IR image, but instead we see various clumps of matter as if we are staring right into the jet!

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Do you have a link to that?

Any reason to suppose these 'jets' can not only travel 26,000 light years, but then have any effect on organic life?

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo

Edit to add:

Ok folks - I've looked at info on Sagittarius A* and the link provided shows a picture of it shot by Chandra.

THE IMAGE SHOWS NO AXIAL PLASMA JETS ANYWHERE... TO THE CONTRARY IT APPEARS THAT THE PLASMA JETS ARE DIRECTLY FACING US!!!

This has GOT to be the smoking gun of all the damn silence. If this is indeed the case, this is beyond mind blowing!

those jets of exotic quantum energies and gamma ray energies pointing directly at us are what Paul Violette has been saying all along... that there will be a Cosmic SuperWave to hit Earth & this whole local bubble of star

we need to understand that the Wave/Jets/Galactic energy plane is something we will pass through in one theory
IOW this plane of exotic energies are a constant radiating phenomena from the galactic core

or else....some 26 thousand light years ago, the galactic core had a hiccup... and the galactic explosion from the central core source will radiate to all points in a 10 second to 60 second gigantic blast as the unhindered GRB expands to the edge of the Galaxy itself.....

we have possibly seen these explosions in distant galaxies and termed them magnetic star bursts or maybe SuperNova...

maybe in the near future a blast will flood our horizons with a electric blue light for (3) days-&-nights, (blocking out the natural yellow-white Sunlight)

then afterwards our Earth & Solar System as a whole unit will begin its travel towards the galactic center as all the galaxy collapses into the gigantic black hole of a instantly and rapidly growing small SaggitariusA into a hugemongus 10 billion solar masses black hole.


Then... if all this takes place.. it matters not if the mathematical & physical Galactic 'equatorial' plane is above or below our solar system. Its thought we are presently 2 LY_ above the galactic plane right now.
And this hypothetical 'Energy Plane'//'photon-belt' is only a theory by thinkers out-of-the-box, and we don't know where its sitiuated in Galactic space.

if the cycle remains... then after the GRB,
things will return to normal, and the solar system will contine the orbital wobble
which passes above then below the Galactic Equator plane every 62MY or 5 passes**
through the plane every Galaxy rotation which is estimated to be ~appox. every 250MY


** Isn't 5 one of the basic configurations of the mandebot series? (spelling) and one of the basic designs in Nature
++ its all interwoven, in the eyes of a CT person++

reply to post by Heyyo_yoyo

Your link does not lead to an image of Sag A but here's one. It does appear to show an x-ray jet.

chandra.harvard.edu...