Billy Meier HOAX Documentary - Very odd UFO Footage/ Can it be debunked?

I was checking out this documentary about Billy as i have always been interested. I myself believe him to have faked some things, and i belive him to an extent, but this documentary has video footage from the 70's of UFO's that is pretty incredible and supposedly tested by special effects studios and said not to be "models' set up by Billy himself. Its a decent size documentary but to see the UFO footage go to 47:00 minutes in, its very good, and couldnt be CGI in the 70's. I know a lot of you dont believe this guy, but im looking for truth in the footage. Please look at the footage before the hate spewing of Billy Meier, i would just like to talk about the UFO footage in the documentary and see what you all think of it. thanks!!

To add one more thing as i watch the documentary, the laser gun that is spoken of in previous threads is brought up and there is some interesting points about the weapon. (that photo with that weapon is one thing i definately thought was fake, but it has me thinking a bit now after evidence is shown what the gun can do)

www.guba.com...

[edit on 21-4-2009 by SkepticOverlord]

Looks like it's swinging to me. Perhaps it is being held up by a crane... suspended on some sort of wire... a moveable crane that is.

I often hear the charge made against Billy Meier that his videos were faked using models and that "proof" of this is that a model was found on his property. However, this documentary (Thanks for posting it ) shows Billy appearing openly with models which were made by a special effects guy but based on the objects that appeared in his videos, which obviously, is quite a different story and would explain why models were seen at Billy house. So what is the truth of this matter? Do we have any Meier experts who can answer this definitively?


[edit on 13-4-2009 by Malcram]

you share my thoughts exactly. even as you watch more of the video, you can hear the story behind the "laser" gun, other people who witnessed the ufos, etc. Its a good resource for people to possibly see some truth behind this.

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If Billy Meier hadn't been proven to "have faked some things," as you admit, he'd have more credibility.

As it stands, no one else has reported the same craft he's videotaped so extensively. Billy says there are others. Name one.

Once a fraud, always a fraud.

deny ignorance

jw

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Hi there. What can you prove that Billy faked? That's not meant to be a "challenge" - as I don't know all that much about the Meier case. But if you make the statement that it's been "proven" that he faked some things then I'd like proof that it was "proven" LOL.

As it stands, no one else has reported the same craft he's videotaped so extensively. Billy says there are others. Name one.

Adamski? There were many different types of craft in the Meier case and so we shouldn't expect craft to be identical.

Once a fraud, always a fraud.

Have you ever lied? Is everything you say therefore a lie?


[edit on 13-4-2009 by Malcram]

There was a long thread about Billy some time ago discussing his photos.

Its a great read and can be found here.

Its a good thread and alot of very credible members made some great points.Check it out.


BTW,Micheal Horn was also involved in the discussion.

[edit on 13-4-2009 by crowpruitt]

I believe Billy's story - I believe he was contacted.

However - I don't believe Billy had actual physical proof. I believe he created "proof" to back up his real experiences.

Jdub - if you check out that documentary, i know its long, but there are other people who have seen the UFO's and a woman in the documentary has pics as well.

Lets please just talk about the footage in the documentary if possible. I know its hard, but please go to 47:00 of the video and just watch for a few minutes. Its interesting footage.

It seems pretty obvious to me, after checking out the footage at 47:00, that the "UFO" is swinging on a string. I don't know what it's hanging from, but it displays all the characteristics of a model on a string. The pendulum-like motion, the little wobble to it.
Not buying it at all.

There's so much wrong about the whole Bill Meier deal, I don't see how anyone can give it any credance at all.

Even without Mike Horn....

ok thanks for that - but did you just watch the first clip?? Or listen to what they said about the footage? the fact that this footage was also tested by special effects studios and was stated by them that it couldnt be done with a "model", they could only do it with CGI, which clearly wasnt available in the 70's.

Yeah, according to Horn, the special effects guys said it couldn't be duplicated.
The problem there is that Horn lies constantly. He lists people on the site who have never even heard of this foolishness, let alone studied it. This has been shown numerous times, right here on ATS.

He's said that the "beamship" audio file can't be duplicated, either. That a top shelf sound studio has analyzed the tape, and found an amazing range of frequencies in it. In fact, they even found frequency ranges that were beyond the capability of the tape to replicate.

I can't say whether or not Meier ever had some kind of contact, but pretty much all his "evidence" has been faked, from what I've seen.

Still not buyin' it.

Originally posted by ziggyproductions05
Its a decent size documentary but to see the UFO footage go to 47:00 minutes in, its very good, and couldnt be CGI in the 70's. I know a lot of you dont believe this guy, but im looking for truth in the footage. Please look at the footage before the hate spewing of Billy Meier, i would just like to talk about the UFO footage in the documentary and see what you all think of it. thanks!!

Thanks for sharing this interesting video ziggyproductions05, I see and read quite a lot of his material but did not see this one before.

Originally posted by Malcram
So what is the truth of this matter? Do we have any Meier experts who can answer this definitively?

The only expert I know of about this case is retired U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Wendelle C. Stevens, 86 years of age now.

www.ufophotoarchives.org...

He wrote a book about the Eduard "Billy" Meier case called "UFO Contact From The Pleiades”.

www.galactic-server.com...

Having spent 8 years on this case, 7 trips to Switzerland and 81 days on site, interviewing 29 eyewitnesses, 5 photographers, 4 recorders of the spacecraft sounds, and dozens of observers, I feel that I am as qualified as anybody in these United States to draw some conclusions from what I have learned.
Somebody not of this Earth is indeed visiting Switzerland, and those extraterrestrials were contacting Eduard "Billy" Meier living in Hinterscbmidruti.

Interesting to read is the letter at the last few pages that he received from a security agent.
Here a small excerpt.

The following is information you might find interesting.The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy's case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity(forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get pissed(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any breakins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up graded his record keeping sense the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that.The way we got copies of Billy's pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives. at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy's name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

Jdub - i agree with you on some points. My thought on it is that he did have contact, and it was covered up, stopped happening, im not sure. If some of this evidence was presented today, of course it could be easily faked anything today can, but this was in the 70's when recorded. I never even heard of Michael Horn until i watched the doc and heard some of you guys on ATS talk about it. I'll have to do some research on his facts of who studied the footage, where, and when. Or if you can show me some proof of the studio he mentioned that stated they couldnt replicate didnt say it would be great

[edit on 13-4-2009 by ziggyproductions05]

Hey Ziggy,

First of all, S&F for posting up the documentary. That was an absolutely terrific documentary and I cannot express in words just how much I am greatful you linked it. I have since the last 2 weeks become so fascinated with Billy Meier that I've almost obsessively been perusing all his material I can get my hand on. Of course this is not the the first time I have encountered Meier. I've had a love and hate relationship with his case for the last few years. It frustrates me so much, there is all this remarkable evidence and this list of prophecies and predictions he has foretold and there is all this questionable evidence like the wedding cake UFO, the raygun, the photos of the dinosaurs and the meeting with Jesus. I have in the past vacillated between believing he is an outright hoax to undecided. However, I can safely say now, I am past my undecided phase, and I am virtually convinced Meier is the real deal now.

In retrospect I was looking at the evidence of the ray gun, wedding cake, dinosaur pics with prejudice. I realised that I could not possibly know what a 600 year prehistoric Pleaidian gun would look like. I could not possibly know what a picture of an almost 100 million year individual dinosaur would look like. Ditto for the wedding cake UFO. I still have some doubts about this evidence, it is still possibe he fabricated this just to produce proof to support his contacts, but I consider this unlikely.

Billy Meiers case is the mother of all UFO cases when it comes to sheer evidence: hundreds of photographs, several videos, scientifically analysed metal samples, sound recordings, 2500 pages of highly detailed contact notes containing a wealth of scientific, historical and spiritual information. More than 200 witnesses corroborating his case, who have seen these UFO's themselves in different locations. In addition whistle-blowers from the government who testify that Meier is genuine. The mass of evidence is overwhelmingly in Meiers favour.

I am familiar with the skeptical objections but have found they have not stood up to scrutiny. I have perused many duplications by skeptics claiming to imitate his UFO's using models, fishing poles, and perspective trickey and they have been pitiable. They do not even require scientific analysis because the technical differences between these and photographs and videos is visible to the naked eye itself. Unsurprisingly, even the so-called professional skeptical bodies have not submitted any of their duplications in for scientfic analysis.

[edit on 13-4-2009 by Indigo_Child]

reply to post by Malcram


you may notice that statement was in quotation marks. That means someone else said it. Read the OP.

Deny Ignorance!

jw

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Adamski is even worse. I can tell you that I have never defrauded anyone for personal gain at their expense. I am an officer of the Court, and my word is my bond and my stock in trade.

Originally posted by subject x
It seems pretty obvious to me, after checking out the footage at 47:00, that the "UFO" is swinging on a string. I don't know what it's hanging from, but it displays all the characteristics of a model on a string. The pendulum-like motion, the little wobble to it.
Not buying it at all.

There's so much wrong about the whole Bill Meier deal, I don't see how anyone can give it any credance at all.

Even without Mike Horn....

Did you not see the part where it stops in it's swing momentarily? The guy even says it's impossible for something on a string to do that.

Right on Indigo_Child!! glad i could be some help. It seems your journey with this case has been similar to mine. I just thought i would post this doc up for discussion of the video footage, but after watching the whole thing it answers a lot of my questions as well! i plan on putting together a new thread up soon of just UFO Documentarys, i've been watching them all day.