Chinese plan for human rights

Chinese plan for human rights

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The National Human Rights Action Plan of China , issued by the Information Office of China's State Council yesterday, promises a raft of improvements to living and income standards, better conditions for detainees, a closer watch on the death penalty and improved openness in the legal system.

"The realisation of human rights in the broadest sense has been a long-cherished ideal of mankind and also a long-pursued goal of the Chinese Government and people," the 54-page document says."

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Such is the future of China. A bloody marriage between Socialism and Capitalism.

You can't have a free-market economic system without being influenced by the notion of personal freedoms and individual gains in society, which stem from Capitalism.

The Chinese Government realises in order for Communism to survive, it must either spread perpetual revolution around the world (patently impossible in today's age) or introduce successive reforms into the Communist system as their populace becomes ever more exposed to Western ideas.

The future of China closely resembles the American nation at a particular point in time...

When it too was struggling to maintain a unity between the urbanised, educated upper classes and disillusioned rural majorities which led to a civil war in which the nation came out effectively more liberal and far more consolidated Federally than ever before.

China's heading down that same path of consolidation American did long ago, the only difference being if China's economic growth is anything to go by, this transformation will happen in years not decades.

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S & F

I'm glad they are moving in the right direction I just hope that they can really apply this in the real world. It's easy to make statements but it will be a whole other ball game when they try to apply it to their massive population.

Freedoms such as stated tend to lead to drastic change. This change may not be what the Chinese Government is expecting or possibly want. You cant put the Ginnie back in the bottle once it's released, Time will tell.

China has a large cash reserve hopefully nobody will look too closely when they start to spread the money around within their own borders and see just how thin it will be when one considers the billion or so of their rural population.

I'm optimistic but I think it will take decades not years.

bye bye cheaply manafactured items from china, who will we pay pennies to make our cheap crap now?

Originally posted by MR BOB
bye bye cheaply manafactured items from china, who will we pay pennies to make our cheap crap now?

Make your own stuff?

That just MAY fix the American economy. Create jobs and maybe some Capital.
Be the post wwII USA that everyone admired.


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Originally posted by xbranscombex


Make your own stuff?

That just MAY fix the American economy. Create jobs and maybe some Capital.
Be the post wwII USA that everyone admired.


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I'm not too sure about that. We stand now at or about the same dept level relatively speaking as we did right after WWII with no 50s to 60s type of growth projected ahead of us to grow our way out of it like we had in the past.

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Let's not go nuts.

Just because China wants to provide comprehensive reforms to its citizens doesn't mean they're all going to just leave the factories and stop producing the world's necessities.

Right now, it's either that or communal farming, the only two viable options for most Chinese.

[edit on 13/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Originally posted by xbranscombex

Originally posted by MR BOB
bye bye cheaply manafactured items from china, who will we pay pennies to make our cheap crap now?

Make your own stuff?

That just MAY fix the American economy. Create jobs and maybe some Capital.
Be the post wwII USA that everyone admired.


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Good idea! Or pay more for proper manafactured items, from tin or wood for example.

Who needs all the plastic crap a lot of stuff is made of nowadays? Plastics basis is made from the world's black gold: OIL!

WHY is China still cheap? Maybe because they have so many people living there that it is hard to feed every mouth?

Well just my 2 cents ....

China reforming... yeah right. Reforming a dictatorship. Great ideas. Was Soviet Union a great country when Stalin died and was ``reformed``?

It was the same, but just a little less worse. That's gonna be the same thing in China.

BTW, have they stop harvesting organs from political prisonners and killing tibetans? No? That's what I thought.

Boycott China, let them have a revolution or a civil war so they can have real change.

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China reforming... yeah right. Reforming a dictatorship. Great ideas. Was Soviet Union a great country when Stalin died and was ``reformed``?

Comparing China to Stalinist is Russia is really apples and oranges. That's just so far off the mark.

Stalin wouldn't have dreamed in his wildest dreams the idea of a free-market, socialist economy.

Boycott China, let them have a revolution or a civil war so they can have real change.

Which is your solution to everything really... Which doesn't help anything in reality.

Screw this, bomb that, forget this, kill that.

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I dont know how old you are, But if you're like me I remember good quality stuff that was once available.

I wonder if people nowadays even know what real quality stuff is anymore even if they see it?

Oh and to answer your query WE buy that garbage. WE all go and purchase the cheapest stuff we can find so we can spend our money on McDonald's and get fat.

So if you're looking to blame anybody we all need to look in the mirror or at least on the scale.

Comparing China to Stalinist is Russia is really apples and oranges. That's just so far off the mark.

I know, it was just an example... a bad one. But I'm just saying that it's hard for a government like China to reform itself for real.

Which is your solution to everything really... Which doesn't help anything in reality.

Well... how do you get them to change? Send them UN letters? Bomb them? Do a coup d'état? Embargo? Talk to them? You can talk to them about those things but eh, let's be realist here, serial killers won't change their mind because you say that murder is bad.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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I dont know how old you are, But if you're like me I remember good quality stuff that was once available.

I wonder if people nowadays even know what real quality stuff is anymore even if they see it?

Oh and to answer your query WE buy that garbage. WE all go and purchase the cheapest stuff we can find so we can spend our money on McDonald's and get fat.

So if you're looking to blame anybody we all need to look in the mirror or at least on the scale.

No I'm blaming nobody I meant that just in general. I will be 50 soon so indeed I do remember times that when you bought a product it would last for decennia

Never spent me money at McDonalds tho and I hope I can still see the difference between good quality stuff and crap.

I try to avoid buying stuff that's made out of plastics but it's very hard nowadays.

For the grandkids I prefer old toys (2nd hand good made almost indistructable) or new ones from wood. But even new woden jigzaw puzzels are made of 'funny' woods and paints ....

IF we want to change the world we should start with ourselves, always! It's easy to point a finger and blame others but that won't change things a bit.

Cheap attempt at publicity untill proven otherwise IMHO. ts nothing mroe than that. A glossy veneer over a human rights record that would make a hardened Nazi puke.

I wonder how thier new fleet of mobile death penalty vans fits into this reform

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What's with all the rabid Chinese bashing, seriously?

Most of your posts Fred, seem quite well-informed and thought out, but then anything involving China just degenerates into childish berating for some reason.
I don't get it.

What makes you think they're not serious about human rights reform? A communist government cannot adopt a free-market economy without adopting the Democratic ideas of personal freedom, gain and material possession behind it.

To further build up stable relations with the West, which is within their best interests to do currently, means to adopt practices that are morally acceptable to Western nations. Look what happened with the Olympics, people threatened China with boycotts and suddenly they pulled most of their Tibetan Guard off the front lines.
International Pressure is something China that's going to prove an insurmountable obstacle for the Chinese, and their newer, Western-influenced generations.

Originally posted by MR BOB
bye bye cheaply manafactured items from china, who will we pay pennies to make our cheap crap now?

If there is one thing that this planet is not short on, it is huge populations of cheap labor. China will simply go the way of other nations that once produced huge quantities of materials with minimal labor costs... The United States, Germany, Japan, Korea... I still remember when seeing something labled "Made In Japan" was a joke.

Take a look at your clothing labels, that'll clue you in to where the next wave of cheap crap will be coming from.

Free market Capitalism and socialist autocracy.. China really combined
the worst with the worst. The few positive sides of their previous regime,
like a completely free and excellent medical health care, they traded in
for the horrors of free market, where the rich get richer and the poor
only get poorer, and now no one can afford health care anymore, while
a free health care system is the most important aspect of a good society.

I think China and the World could do very well to create jobs and restructure our environmental abuse by shifting the focus of abusing and destroying our ecostructure, and instead become caretakers of this world, and create many jobs in all the nations for environmental management and products that are truly earth friendly.