Guns are Evil lets ban them all!

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean

Originally posted by The Bald Champion

I'm more afraid of a car wreck as you said... Have your weapons man, I have no problem with that, I hope you can at see that in my experience two guns in the situations I cited would have not provided for a good outcome. Maybe you can see that is some cases two guns puts the situation "over the top" ( purely from a person to person angle, might help you in the future )

As it is I lost nothing from either experience, no money, nothing.

Do you fear the unknown??? or maybe fear being ill prepared?

truth be told if we could assure only law abiding citizens could have fire arms we could be on our way, right???

its to bad...

Yes it is too bad. God bless and keep you safe.

Same to you

For what its worth I will defend the 2nd even though I chose not too exercise... I think
our exchange is what America needs. Even though nothing has resulted from it we both got perspective from it and neither of us felt our concerns were discounted as a result.
I honestly think the attitude and tone of this debate in society would do wonders for silencing many anti gun citizens. The problem will not disappear, but I think the hurt, conflicted feelings - " what about my concerns " - would be out there and work wonders in the public arena.

Silly but true

A spoonful of sugar and all that jazz...

goodnight

My 2A loving friends -- Logic doesn't enter into this debate. It is fear, pure and simple that makes people want to ban guns.

The hoplophobes will argue incessantly about the evils of guns, but never stop to consider the rationality of that fear. They will hyperventilate and berate 2a advocates for daring to own one. I say more power to them for being disarmed. Darwin was right.

The simple fact is that the supreme law of the law is not open to interpretation. The 2nd amendment stands unamended. The only way its going to change is by force, and they know it. And since the hoplophobes don't believe in guns...

reply to post by Aztec Riddle


You're absolutely right. They may the weak strong. This is why my grandparents have them and why the wheelchair bound folks I know carry everyday.

I'd give you a star and comment "great point" if it werent for the rest of the jackassery in your post.

I'm no advocate of gun control. How could anyone actually think that criminals won't be able to get guns if there is gun control?

I'm a woman, 4'10". I live alone, in a decent house, on a few acres, out of the city limits, with trees and bushes scattered around--plenty of cover for a weirdo. So, I guess Azetc Riddle has a point: I DO know defenseless I am. I would be a perfect target for a criminal. I have horses on my property. I'm especially paranoid now that I have read about the trend that has started in Florida where horses are being butchered, sometimes on the owner's property, for meat. If I go outside at night to check on things, I take a dog that can sense someone hiding, and a gun to deal with them.

Have I pulled a gun out to deal with creeps before? Yep, and it sure levels the playing field. Once was when I lived in an apartment in Houston, and at 5 a.m., some weirdo was trying to get me to "get in his car and help him find an apartment." I had to go feed my horse and get to work, so I went inside, got my shotgun. Weirdo had parked down the road, but took off like his rear was on fire as I walked out with that shotgun in plain view.

Next case, same apartments, second floor with balcony. The apartments had gone bankrupt, were under HUD, and almost totally abandoned. I think criminals got diplomas at that place. Creep was hiding in the abandoned laundry room between the buildings. My dogs were barking that direction and sniffing the air. I went out on the balcony, held up the shotgun, opened the chamber, showed the shells, and the box of shells, then invited the hidden weirdo to come on up the stairs and kick my door in so I could take his brain out with my loaded shotgun. I went back to bed, the dogs barked one more time, as creep apparently left his cover for another place.

At the house I am at now, at 3 a.m. the dogs were barking. A truck with two guys was in my driveway, and one guy was out of the truck, standing by the open truck door. I don't know what they were doing-- looking at my house, peeing on my driveway, looking for UFOs, whatever, but they didn't belong there. I opened the blinds, held the .38 up, waved it while shining a flashlight on it. They saw it and the guy by the door started smiling and waving his hands as if to say, it's ok, we're outta here! They left in a hurry.

I can forget about calling the Sheriff, especially at night. Everyone around here has acreage, so fleeing out the back way in the dark would be easy. Heck, the smart criminal could even plot out his route(s) on Google Earth.

So, TPTB can ask me to turn in my guns all they want. It ain't gonna happen.

Originally posted by 5thElement
reply to post by Donkey_Dean

 

Yep, we Americans are strange bunch, we allow our 11 years old children to handle guns, we send our 18 years old sons and daughters into war but yet we do not let them drink alcohol before they are 21...

So, what exactly makes 11 years old kid "mature" enough to be able to handle deadly weapon ? What kind of logic stands behind it ?

Nobody ever takes it seriously enough till someone in their family dies or kills someone else, then is too late

And we give our 16 year olds 2000lbs guilded missile that travel over 60mph.... WE ARE INSANE!!!



[edit on 12-4-2009 by thegear]

Let's see, Gun control and ammo limits are crap and would do nothing to deter crime or lunatic shootings as CRIMINALS & LUNATICS do not follow the law!

HOW ABOUT WE NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL until the problems of illegal immigration and drugs are 100% solved.... Why you ask, because TONS of dope flow into this country every day.... Every criminal or loon who wants drugs (AND GUNS) will get it. (Tons people, Tons)

ANYONE with half a brain knows this. If you can get coc aine freely, you can get guns and ammo freely.

Until then, I say IMPRESS Me and Prove that criminals and lunatics can no longer get smuggled guns and drugs!

Let's talk about "Gun Control" once we have guaranteed that it is IMPOSSIBLE to smuggle drugs, people, and guns into the U.S.

Until then, Anti-gun nuts and cowards, please stop trying to disarm, regulate, and "take away" the rights of Law Abiding American Citizens. Because THAT is the only thing these freeking control & limitation "SCHEMES" are for and we all know it.

The "I'm afraid of guns an I'm afraid of law abiding citizens with guns" crowd are a bunch of cowards. You fear your law abiding neighbors more than criminals! Talk about paranoid... And think about it.. the criminals would wholely agree with you.. disarm the law abiding citizens! Makes crime SO much easier when you KNOW that the people are defenseless.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
I really would like to understand the gun control mindset, and thats why I am posting. To me it just makes no sense whatsoever. Can some of you explain? I am all about saving lives, but I would think guns save more lives than they take.

Gun control is all about controlling only the legal firearms, there by giving the bearers of illegal firearms less of a chance of being challenged by legal firearms.

The left wingers have always had a place in their heart for those who operate outside civil society. Just look at all the 'rehabilitiation' and release programs for violent offenders in prisons now. Where do you think that came from?

Those who beat their guns into plowshares will wind up plowing for those with the guns.

Train your children that firearms are dangers and should be used with safety in mind. As a former special operations weapons sergeant I have trained my wife how to shoot.

She can’t hit the side of a barn door by the way, but none the less I still keep all weapons unloaded in the house. Not only for her safety, but for mine as well!!

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Firearms are no more dangerous than your family car. Both should be respected, and only used by those trained in their proper use. Building up a false fear in your children over guns is the wrong way to go.

Originally posted by USamf
It is a very simple concept: More responsible people with guns equals less crime. Proven time and time again. I have a 12 gauge and a 30-06, anyone who comes into my home is getting a face full of buckshot. I live in a "redneck" area of Missouri, there is little crime here, if at all.

Originally posted by Aztec Riddle
There's no effin skill involved in killing someone with a gun, a child can kill a man with a gun, at least when war and fighting meant something there was some skill involved, nowadays none, just point and shoot. Guns are only around because they make weak people feel strong, makes them equal to someone else, that's why rednecks love guns, cause they know just how defenceless they really are.

'Aztec Riddle', let me explain something about us 'Rednecks'-
If we're confronted by some low-life, why should we subject ourselves to the mental anguish and physical attack? It's just easier to aloow them to know that we are armed and not going to put up with their bullsh*t. If they persist in their behavior, we'll just 'nip it in the bud' so to speak. Besides, we 'Rednecks' don't run(most of us can't) we might spill our beer!

I put that last bit in just to lighten it up abit. Seriously thou, no matter what gun laws are implied, the low-lifes will still have them.

I do fully agree that all gun owners should have the confidence in the use and the responsibility of ownership.
The number 1 rule on gun ownership is "Don't own a gun if you're not willing to pull the trigger". What really cracks me up are some of these anti-gun people saying that if they owned a gun they would probably shoot their foot off. Simple solution, don't own a gun but hope that if you're ever in a situation where your self-being is threatened, that one of us 'Rednecks' are there. 'Rednecks' are also more than happy to protect you with no thanks needed.

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


wow your thread title!but whoooo!


pure and simple fact is that guns are tools.

to eradicate the "gun problem legislation" one must remove the people not the guns!

it is the thoughts of people that kill, what ever the reason!

soon they will come to get that type of people and the funny thing is, when the come we will all be gone with them!!!!!

short and sweet we are in one h#ll of a situation in the world today,and everyone should carry just like the days of old.

When are we going to realize objects are not inherently evil or good . I really sick of the whole position of lets ban or control items in society .

The last time i needed some cans of spray paint I could only buy 1 can at a time , law was passed locally to prevent graffiti . Law abiding citizens pays for a criminal act of others .

If you have asthma and use the over the counter medication like bronkaid pills well here again due to the meth making criminals I have to buy 1 package at a time the pharmacist records my DL and makes me sign a form i bought them and they are for me and wont use them for drugs and my other half cant go in buy them either unless she lies and says they are for her .

A few years ago my boss at the time fired a coworker . This whack job went crazy trashing things as he left threatening to kill the foreman and owner . Both took the threat VERY seriously . Owner went home got his 38 to keep in his desk and the foreman wanted to get one in his truck and couldn't 5 day waiting period . Another coworker a reformed car thief said his old friends could get the foremen one in less than a hr and sure enough he did . In 45 mins he had a clean no paper trail 44mag . But the supplier offered 41 glock, 456 cusull , 9mm ,38, 357mag ,32 ,25auto and a 22 mag/22lr some were hot some were not .

BTW police were informed and tried to apprehend him . 3 days latter the whack job was arrested after being shot in side the to the owners home he was armed with a 38 had rope duck tape and a large hunting knife and his truck down the street had an ax saws,and a bat . A wife and 3 kids at home what if the owner didnt have a firearm ? Tell the intruder wait a sec im calling 911 .

What good are these laws when it hurts the law abiding citizen plainly criminals and crazies still have guns make meth and graffiti your house .

I am sick and tired of laws that place more burden on law abiding citizens and seem to do nothing for our social problems .

Originally posted by bluewaterservant
reply to post by Donkey_Dean

 

wow your thread title!but whoooo!


pure and simple fact is that guns are tools.

to eradicate the "gun problem legislation" one must remove the people not the guns!

it is the thoughts of people that kill, what ever the reason!

soon they will come to get that type of people and the funny thing is, when the come we will all be gone with them!!!!!

short and sweet we are in one h#ll of a situation in the world today,and everyone should carry just like the days of old.

There is a definite media drive to push gun legislation. ABC should be boycotted, their “If I had a gun special” was the most biased piece of anti-gun propaganda I have ever seen.

If ABC and its affiliates lost the gun owning public they would think twice before attempting this again. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, but when you do a show like this it borders on fraud. The show basically attempts to prove that ordinary citizens cannot defend themselves anyway!!!!!!!!

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

"Plug a nickel at 100 yards with an AK".

Kinda makes me question if the originator of that statement has a full understanding of the accuracy limitations of the basic AK platform.

Other than that, I agree with your stance completely.

Originally posted by Retseh
"Plug a nickel at 100 yards with an AK".

It’s a figure of speech, but on that note I have seen some quality AK's that would give the AR-15 hell at 100-200 yards. Lots of time at the Gun club when I was younger.

On the same note I own a WASR and it is likely the poorest made gun I have ever owned.


[edit on 13-4-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

This is all very simple.

The constitution says we have the right to bare arms. So a full gun ban is off the table. We already know the Clinton Era Joke Assault Rifle ban, was indeed a failure, Statistically, and proved how very little Senitors know about the innerworkings of Firearms. and Branded Guns with Pistol Grips the devil, LOL.

States that have enacted the CCW (Conceled Carry Weapon) law, have had Great success.

So in the end, Gun Control is simply an IDIOLOGY, That cares not for statistics, or facts.

Then there is the King Argument. The people causing the Gun problems are most likely in possesion of an illegal firearm anyway. Thus all these laws would be pointless. Police have no need for them to make the arrest. They are pointless.

I haven't seen a valid argument supporting Gun bans, Yet people hop on board with it.

Originally posted by USamf
It is a very simple concept: More responsible people with guns equals less crime. Proven time and time again. I have a 12 gauge and a 30-06, anyone who comes into my home is getting a face full of buckshot. I live in a "redneck" area of Missouri, there is little crime here, if at all.

anyone ?
even santa?
even the newlywed daughter in law?

are you available for children's birthday parties?


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reply to post by Donkey_Dean


Banning every gun is hopeful but very foolish.

That fact is guns are a part of our society, an unfortunate part but a big part none the less. If we were to ban all guns we would do nothing but make gun violence more prominent. Yes we would take all the evil guns away from good law abiding citizens, but we would open up a huge black market selling the very guns we banned to criminals.

Then you would have a bunch of criminals walking around with every kind of firearm known to man and good citizens with nothing but baseball bat and knives.

Originally posted by Aztec Riddle
There's no effin skill involved in killing someone with a gun, a child can kill a man with a gun, at least when war and fighting meant something there was some skill involved, nowadays none, just point and shoot. Guns are only around because they make weak people feel strong, makes them equal to someone else, that's why rednecks love guns, cause they know just how defenceless they really are.

And the great irony of your post is that you're right. A very large number of people, due to age or health issues, simply are not capable of adequately defending their homes and their families in the event of a violent home invasion without a firearm. In those instances, the firearm is an equalizer.

Those 'rednecks' love guns because, unlike some, they're smart enough to realize that they aren't half as bad ass as they may try to pretend to be.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
I grew up in the country, my closest neighbor was five miles away. My dad did not allow my sister to get out and about without her AK-47. She was highly trained in its safe and effective operation.

He chose the AK-47 for its deterrent properties. Everyone around there knew she was armed, and that she could plug a nickel at 100 yards. It was also a very rugged weapon that could take the constant abuse. Did this make him a bad parent?

Please don’t give your kid a gun just because you read this post!!!
Had my sister not shown complete competence for many many years she would never be allowed out of my dad’s sight with a high powered rifle.

I had my first gun at the age of 8 a semi auto 22, and I got a break over 12 gauge two years later. When I was older I got a gun “I got to choose, if not too expensive” for birthdays and Christmases. Needless to say I wound up with a pretty nice collection.

I really would like to understand the gun control mindset, and thats why I am posting. To me it just makes no sense whatsoever. Can some of you explain? I am all about saving lives, but I would think guns save more lives than they take.

Please do provide your feedback. I would really like to hear from those that advocate further gun control legislation.

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[edit on 12-4-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Good parenting would negate the need for gun control. However, real good parenting does not exist in many areas and parents blame everything wrong on some other thing rather than taking the time to show and teach their kids right from wrong.

Some kids take longer to accept this and believe it and value it.

Some parents dont' try hard enough.


Some parents leave their family and leave a single parent home where there is not the the supervision that is needed at such a young age to teach right and wrong.


If we better educated our kids and in school with stuff that is actually useful and important than more people would understand the stupidity of using a gun against somebody.

Less people would have to carry guns to protect themselves because more people would be responsible, but people could still carry guns and it would not be an issue because it would be a known thing that gun carriers are very aware and informed about the gun they carry and when and when not to use it.


That is just some of what would help.