Why do Atheists care about religion?

Originally posted by Welfhard

Originally posted by Aermacchi
They don't say you won't find any atheists in foxholes for nothing.

Argumentum ad populum.

You apparently missed the point son

typical

Originally posted by bumptiousness
OP, off the bat your thread is generalizing all Christians in America. Why should anyone take you seriously? There are proud and radical members of all religions. The people who founded America unanimously decided that “In God We Trust” was what they wanted on the American currency. Don't blame the average Joe, who has nothing to do with how money is made or printed. The majority of members here have a habit of generalizing a group of people, the discussion is immediately doomed to antagonism and it will end up no where. I don't think you've ever met all Christians.

That's because this is another troll thread to antagonize Christians like 99% of the overwhelming number of threads like it that they love to create. You see he has to prove his atheim to himself by actively disbelieving in God 24/7 or he may be feeling the call to beg for mercy

reply to post by Toadmund


Toadmund....I prefer Secular Humanist....

'agnostic' is the anti-thesis of 'gnostic'...just as 'atheist' is the anti-thesis of 'theist'.

I feel I can't much go wrong with Humanism.

Rational thinking saves!!!

reply to post by lastxdance


Sorry, but there are two different creation stories in the Bible. In Genesis 1:3-5 God created light and called it day and the darkness light on the first day. In Genesis 1:14-19, God created two great lights, a greater and lesser. One ruled over the day and one over the night on the fourth day.

I don't see anything about a big bang here. Did I miss it?

Hey God, if you are out there, how can you create an entire universe, but be unable to proof read your own book?

Originally posted by Gawdzilla

Originally posted by scorand
reply to post by Aermacchi

 

and again i see you need to practice what you preach.. you love to make the claim that people are bigoted and are haters against believers.. my how hypocritical.. and talk about brushing with a broad brush..

Sad, isn't it, when a good person acts like a god-botherer? Now if your type wasn't pushing your voodoo idols down everybody else's throats you have never heard from me.

really and what type would I be?? and what voodoo idols did I shove down everyones throat??

Originally posted by ghaleon12
No one wants to be alone in misery. They have come to their own conclusion that there is nothing that is going to exist after their body dies, and they want others to feel the same way as them. Like I said, if everyone around you is happy and you're sad, it'll make you feel worse. If even one person is also sad, it provides some comfort.

You're falsely equating atheism with sadness. False assumption with no evidence. I'm happy. All the other atheists I know are fairly smiley happy people, too.

Do you think they just want to have their atheist belief, be quiet (which is what they should do)

Why should we again?

and become dust in the wind? Heck no, they need to shout from the rooftops that their own fate is everyone else's as well.

I think you're mixed up. I'm not cramming my belief down your throat, pal. I don't care what you belief is, it's of no consequence. But when you guys get away with murder cos you're the in-crowd, that isn't fair on anyone.

I think they denounce religion because that way at least they'll have free choice, but even if you're rebelling against something, you're giving it power and it isn't free choice. You're just being "anti" whatever it is you don't like.

Rebelling huh? The church isn't authority or is it Law.

If they did be quiet with their beliefs, I think too in a way they'd become and feel like an animal compared to others. But if they can attack and lash out against the people that they feel (and are) superior to them, then they feel like their life has value and it gives them a pretense of superiority. When in reality, it is baseless.

It's baseless to say that you are inherently better than anyone else, that you're a class above. We want everyone to get along in peace in this secular world, not to make everyone believe the same things. Observing that we are all equals with equal right to think, express and speak, and not be marginalised or drowned out cos we believe differently to you.

[edit on 11-4-2009 by Welfhard]

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Originally posted by Welfhard

Originally posted by Aermacchi
They don't say you won't find any atheists in foxholes for nothing.

Argumentum ad populum.

You apparently missed the point son

typical

K. By the way, your gleaming detest is showing.

If you don't agree, it is most likely the same reason I don't agree with your broad brush sweeping all believers under your own presumptuous bigotry and hatred

I believe they call that hypocrisy; you know the ol "you won't find any atheists in foxholes" generalisation thinggy.

Do you want to start arguing honestly and logically for you point now or should I put you on ignore now?

[edit on 11-4-2009 by Welfhard]

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I can't believe I just read all this back and forth... anyway, atheists care about Christianity because they want to believe but can't find the doorway to faith. Christians aren't persecuting atheists just as the majority of atheists are not persecuting Christians. But there will always be the exception to the rule and that is what we talk about.

Atheists need and want Christians. They could care less about the Bhudda or allah, or any other God. Only the Christian God stands out. For instance, when have you ever seen here on the ATS a thread where atheists bring up topics for discussion on the god of Islam, or on the Hindus. If so it is rare and only in reference to diminish the Christian God of the Bible.

Yes... atheists care deeply about religion, but only the Christian religion because it has staying power and a pull that is hard to resist though they try.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Lots of atheists are not sincere about atheism. They are simply rebelling against something else, usually the Catholic Church.

Atheism is an existentialist nihilistic principle, which intrinsically lends itself to uncivil behavior. In other words, there's no compelling reason for an atheist to respect anybody. Even people who believe in the Law of Returns are not true atheists per se.

Who are these "lots of atheists" you know so much about? Funny, I can't seem to meet "lots of atheists," although I am trying to!

Yep, I'm rebelling against something alright, it's called ignorance and superstition. You see, I need SOME KIND of proof for what I believe in. Without proof, or at least darned good evidence, it's not a belief, it's just a hunch, idea, suggestion, etc..

The reason I respect people is because they earn it, I am not compelled, i.e., forced to give respect. The people I respect have some kind of quality that I admire about them. I respect all life because I see a reflection of myself in it. For example, I moved a moth away from a tree where I was clipping branches awhile ago. I'm sure that a "loving" Christian god wouldn't burn me in hell for killing the moth, but I respect it for being a creature trying to stay alive, just as I am.

Atheist are led to uncivil behavior? OH REALLY? I suggest you brush up on your daily news, world history, and just for kicks, this web site has already done some of the work for you: Fetid Fruit It describes itself as, "...a clearinghouse of immoral religious hypocrisy in the news. Our Mission is to debunk the myth and propaganda that religiosity is synonymous with morality."

I am going to guess that you are Christian or Jewish. If I am wrong, please disregard this next part. I want you to read your Bible/Torah. Notice that God is the most uncivil creep in the universe. What bad thing does he NOT do? Murder. Rape. Infanticide. Abortion. Genocide. Slavery. You name it, it's there. The Old Testament even states that God created evil. In the New Testament, God changes his mind and gets all soft hearted, telling me I'm a sinner, (wow! Pot-kettle-black!) but I can be forgiven, although if I don't believe in his son, I'll be burned in Hell forever. Do you really thing I would be a better person for worshiping this god?! Talk about uncivil behavior!

Yes indeed, it seems to me that religion seems to find itself wrapped up in uncivil behavior quite a bit. I'm going to make the assertion that it is not uncommon to find this at all. In the next few weeks, as you watch the news, notice how many negative reports involve religion.

I want you to do something for me, if you live around a good sized city, look up a local meeting of atheists. MeetUp will probably have one listed. Go to the meeting and actually talk to real, live atheists. I think you'll find them to be pretty darned civilized, although they may get fairly passionate when talking to you! You may come away with a better understanding of how other people think.

being as the OP is protesting the association of "atheist" with "unamerican", i feel akward making this post.

i am BOTH anti-religion AND anti-american. i am sick and effing tired of them both. neither of these belief systems has done anything but hurt me and force my mind to become smaller: i feel literally destroyed as an individual because of their influence.

lies lies and more lies. we are completely surrounded by lies.

Originally posted by Fromabove
when have you ever seen here on the ATS a thread where atheists bring up topics for discussion on the god of Islam, or on the Hindus

i have nothing to say about these religions because i have not been directly harmed by them. although, i strongly suspect that they also cause problems in their respective cultures.

i have been harmed by christianity. THAT is the reason i speak out against it and not the others.

no, christianity does NOT hold some unconscious allure over my mind.

I find your post disrespectful, espeically the part about the Boy Scouts. I find that extreme personally offending. Why? Because your complaining your being prosecuted because atheists are discriminated agaisnt. Not without good cause.

Your claiming your first amendment right. Legally it matters, but it retrospect, it does not. The founding fathers wrote the, freedom to worship clause because the early Americans came here because they were prosecuted for practicing belief in God.

The founding fathers of America wrote their Constitution and Declaration of Independence under the given that the Republican Ideology would be satisfied by Christan Morals. Given. All of the signers of the Constitution were Christians. Our country is based on the premise that OUR country is based off the fact that Christan morals must exist.

So when you complain about being discriminated while the fact exists the entire PREMISE was the fact that GOD EXISTS, you have no argument. My advice: Find your own country to hate on.

So your stance is to come into MY country, complaining about ME and hijacking OUR system to exploit it for YOUR wants and needs. Just because I am argueing for the conforming side doesn't mean I'm right.

I'm not arguing that Christianity is RIGHT but that your status is WRONG.

Like they said, "When in Rome, do as the Romans"

This thread was a undisputed cheap shot and I do no agree thoroughly.
I do not care about your beliefs as long as you know where you stand.

I have nothing but contempt for atheists who claim they have a RIGHT to complain and ***** and moan about THE SYSTEM, when the system was written to not accommodate them. You can have your atheist beliefs, but don't expect to get anywhere.

Again, our entire government system is based off of Christan Morals which was SUPPOSE to support Republican Ideology. Atheists have taken the Republican Ideology created by Thomas Jefferson and mutated it into some sick form of democracy where morals have no place.

I understand some atheists have morals, but there is NO GUARANTEE.
Like they said, "When in Rome, do as the Romans"


[edit on 11-4-2009 by truth_seeker3]

Originally posted by truth_seeker3
Like they said, "When in Rome, do as the Romans"

Absurd.

It seems to me you're suggesting that atheists should adopt a belief in Christianity based solely on the popularity of that religion.

I'm no bible scholar, but isn't that one of those things that your god kind of frowns on? Converting based not on conscience, but on the basis of political and social acceptance?

More to the point, isn't the act of pressuring someone to convert against their conscience a sin in itself?

reply to post by Gawdzilla


There are many who do so, and many who really are sincere

How are they cowards?

I always thought that religion was a remedy against the fear of death

reply to post by vcwxvwligen


No, religion is a product of the fear of death.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Welfhard]

reply to post by truth_seeker3


The founding father's were for the most part deists, you ignoramus, who understood the importance of the Separation of Church and state. It that were preserved, you wouldn't get the clashing between these schools of thought.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Welfhard]

I'am atheist and don't feel I have ever been persecuted for it,it does make the churchmongers run faster from your property which is always delightful.I try to respect their beliefs when not pushed down my throat and hope they would try to respect mine.I have found most religious folks in our area to be mean,rude and hateful to anyone who thinks differently then them.
I will state one thing a 28 year old sunday scool teacher,mother, and daughter of a pastor arrested today for the murder of the missing 8 year old california girl.Wasn't this supposed to be a wonderful women just because she believed in religion.Makes me sick do you still think your god will accept her into heaven?
I really don't think quotes such as one nation under god should be removed because it is our history rather you believe or not.
Too whomever said atheist need religion that is like me telling you all you need is science and no god.I do not nor do I want religion and might I add my family was devout catholics don't let it slip your mind all the poor little boys that have been molested by these men.

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EDIT....for dee...I hope this worked as I intended....?

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Second EDIT...seems it worked....this was number 13 in a great issue of previous posts, by this man...I'd recommend you seek out the others....they are all good!

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reply to post by Welfhard


Thanks for answering me - I agree, it doesn't matter what you believe in, I just wondered. Everyone believes in something.

I think that atheists worry about religion in case they got it wrong. Much safer to be an agnostic. Mind you, I despise agnostics because they are sitting on the fence and can jump either way. They are too scared to have an opinion.