How can the infinite universe expand?

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


42!

Originally posted by AntiConspirator
I was just wondering, cause i have heard it alot growing up. My teachers would say it, my science book, my parents. Can u guys tell me how, or if it really is? ty

My limited take on it is..

The mere act of observation, progressively towards a possible border, is the reason it expands. Kind of a quantum mechanics thing I guess. This is the answer I eventually came up with, lest I go insane.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


= 6

42 = 3 = question - infinity = do not ask = you know why your asking = because you are

why would you ask if you know that asking will in fact give the answer?

is it not you who is asking? 6^^)

question = answer

reply to post by Rhaze


how very correct

and what is qp based on? "chaos" so what would be the result of chaos? well you would in fact get logic...

or we would not be here correct? what is the basis of our reality?

i find it ironic in many ways not hypercritical just ironic.. and let me show you why.

Math is a form of understanding that allows mankind to solve and understand problems using measurement as its basis...

God "or it" on the other hand is more based on what? "faith" faith in what? that you have a god? a creator a "something" that just put you here?

for what? to just watch? observer? make your life as you know it some kinda test? so he can reward you at the end?

Tell me how stupid this sounds?

Now lets look at nature! what is it that makes "humans" so different from a tree? or say a lion?

what was our role? or there role? to just grow? to kill its prey?

what must this function be? hmm? you see life is not about god or about new aged being one with myself "tho granted i do like that" but one has to step back and forget all you know

To see the BIG BIG picture here

our very "being" is based on laws.. laws that are the same thing you have or call a MIND

when you look up at the stars that is not physical well it is to us i guess but on the bigger "scale" its nothing its a question..

Now i use question because no matter how smart you are or how dumb or even if you are an alien "or tree"

You ask questions.. we "life" ie the moving things do it in another way to say a tree..

A tree asks how can it grow as a tree its CODED to do that "no this is not the matrix" but its kinda close lol

it was made to be a tree to answer a question


Life itself is an answer to a question... and why i say this is in order to get order out of chaos one would require a question to do so as it propagates answers do you understand that?


our universe is a physical question.. you may ask one but you in fact live INSIDE ONE

funny how all that infinity stuff works ain't it

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


Actually the meaning of life is subjective.

Surely the meaning of life depends on the person, just as quality of life does

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


only if your subjective is clouded by ones own judgment


free yourself

The Universe isn't infinite, at least what's inside the Universe
isn't infinite.. it just has the potential to expand infinitely.

[edit on (14/5/09) by Wehali]

reply to post by Wehali


The universe is infinie. it is expanding. if it wasn't infinite it wouldn't be able to expand because of the other forces beyond our universe. Sooner or later the universe will enventually expand too far an soon everything will just pull apart.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Astyanax

 

And when did we as a speices take stock of all the contents of all the universe? Much less how did we forget how to travel so that we could take stock of the entire universe? Or even that we did it?

And how do you know that is not the case? Perhaps not in this age, but long ago when we watched campfires and painted rocks, how do you know what mechanizations occurred within the collective subconscious of mankind? When no one was around to tell him what he could and could not do?

Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
to be honest we still dont know

the universe was once thought as static, but it seems not!! its expanding.. the more we mesure it the faster it expands

we aint got a clue, thats the best and only thing i know so far.. its got alot to do wiht gravity darkmatter and dark energy..

But how? who knows just one of them questions mankind does not yet understand

hope that helps

Heres an idea is it expanding because we're measuring it

reply to post by SpacePunk


We are in a void, not a bubble. Past he 15B+ LR limit is another wall of suberclusters which border yet other voids. Infinite successions occur in nature, eg. reflections proceed infinitely until coherence is lost as in a laser. Also see fractals, where patterns are repeated regardless of scales. In theory, electrons have no body, being infinitely small. Thus electricity covers all magnitudes, possibly past the Plank length.

Originally posted by Astyanax Nothing in nature is infinite, and that includes the universe.

That is a bold statement which I am not entirely comfortable with. Even if the universe is finite, infinite quantities exist, as we can see in relativity. With infinite space we derive zero time, and with zero space we derive infinite time. The photon exists within the latter framework. So to find if the universe is infinite, go ask a photon.

Otherwise you make a great presentation as is true with all your work.

My question is: What is the universe in?

2nd line.

Space is infinite.

The universe is finite.

The finite universe is expanding into the infinite space.

Here is what astounds me. Science tells us that there is nothing outside of our universe. And the Universe expanding is from what i can understand creating itself as it expands?

So where the universe is not there are no Chemicals, Matter, Dark matter, Energy of any kind, No Gravity No Heat no Cold no temperature. So If I understand it correctly as the universe grows it is expanding the gravity field (if there is one) the Higgs field the laws of science are actually being CREATED as it expands? Thermodynamics does not exist then, all of a sudden as the universe expands it DOES exist. Time does NOT exist outside the universe, then ass the universe expands it DOES exist?

reply to post by klain


haha!

i did state this be for.. the expansion of the universe is mm an expansion of ones mind as that's what we are in fact exploring.


our universe is a question it has to be in order for us to be here

what is the answer ? LIFE / one side

but yes the more you ask the "bigger" it will get "and in fact dose"

so what is our problem??


we do not know the question we ask.. but to use this "question" gives us our very answer

logical P_)


now i shall play david bowie

As best I understand it is that the universe at the big bang did not expand into infinite space so much as rapidly expanded creating the space as it did so... and that is how it is happening now as well.

Imagine an empty balloon... it is a limp, small, empty bladder... pump air into it and it expands many times its original size... the expanding universe is kinda like that.

What gets me thinking though is that as I can understand it if space is curved then it must by necessity be curved in all directions which means that eventually the universe will turn in on itself... and perhaps, just perhaps the missing dark matter/dark energy is the pull of all the galaxies on the back side of the curve.

I think, if the big bang is real, that maybe the 'expanding' is merly the movement of all the galaxies moving into the empty space and spreading out. Giving the illusion it is expanding. Some Where out there, there is empty space and galaxies speeding toward it,

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A lot of folks contributed some theory's to this older thread based around the same question.

How does something with a vacuum so powerful expand outwards? Is the expanding universe creating the vacuum?

Does your head hurt too?