When Obama returns to his Islamic roots, how many faithful will follow?

Helioprime is not worth debating since he only interested in listening to his own voice... which is why he is in my ignore and will stay there.

[edit on 9-4-2009 by grover]

Originally posted by octotom
If Obama hasn't had anything to do with religion since he left Trinity United, I don't think he's going to get involved with one any time soon. Alludeing to his visiting a mosque I think has nothing to do with anything--it was a publicity stunt. That would kinda be like saying, since he visited the Western Wall and wore a yahmaka [spelling?], he's going to become a Jew.

But, if he did return to his muslim roots, I don't see very many people following him. I could be wrong though.

In any event, I bet Chris Matthews will continue to get tingly feelings running up his leg whenever Obama uhs and ums.

Yarmulke

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ST.....that was really, really, really inappropriate!!!!!!!!

AND, incredibly ignorant....you can do better!!!!!!!!

What a shame....(hanging head) for the rest of America, if YOU are able to vote.....tragic.....

Point is...this is an International Forum, here at ATS....shame on you.

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Another pointless thread. Show me one piece of evidence that proves anything about Obama having ties to Islam, and we can talk. Until then you just look like a whiny child who is mad because the naughty librarian didnt get elected.

Errr......I believe his name is "Barack Hussien Obama", me thinks that is not an Irish name.......how about german...nope....french it might be french.....err...nope.....

Originally posted by SevenThunders

Maybe he hasn't attended church because he hasn't found one in the DC area that preaches racist, Marxist, anti-American liberation theology yet. O well, Islam will do in a pinch. At least you can beat your wife and even marry three more if necessary.

You have a valid point. Let us all remember this vilness...

www.freerepublic.com...

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Islam is still better , atleast most of its women are not sluts/whores/promiscuous , most western Christian women are .



[edit on 10-4-2009 by sadchild01]

Originally posted by The Bald Champion
I love you OBAMA

"I will be come a MUSLIMSITS for you"

MY savior

I could not make up such absolute proof of the future happenings stated in this thread...

Originally posted by sadchild01
reply to post by SevenThunders

 

Islam is still better , atleast most of its women are not sluts/whores , most western Christian women are .

What about gay and lesbian MUSLIMS.......

For Salman Husainy, an autumn drive four years ago was the moment of truth. Sitting in the passenger seat of his sister Shaheen's car, he blurted out what he'd long known but kept hidden.

"I'm gay," Husainy said. Shocked, Shaheen bumped into the car in front of her. The minor accident didn't cause any damage, and Shaheen parked the car on the side of the road so they could talk. "Are you sure? We don't have any gay people in our community," Shaheen said.

Like most Muslims, Shaheen had never imagined that someone praying beside her at the mosque could be gay. Since Islam teaches that homosexuality is wrong, gay members often keep their sexual orientation in the closet.

www.alternet.org...

but as far as no muslim brothels, yet another lie.....

A few days before the World Aids Day was celebrated, Gambian authorities demonstrated their intolerance towards the high spate of prostitution in the Muslim country. The tourism industry in the Gambia has attracted government-licensed prostitutes from the entire region.

Gambian security forces were deployed to crack down on prostitutes in brothels and hotels in the urban areas in the early hours of the morning a few days ago. During the operation, over 80 prostitutes, 31 of who are Gambians were arrested and incarcerated in prison.

www.gambianow.com...

Originally posted by grover
Helioprime is not worth debating since he only interested in listening to his own voice... which is why he is in my ignore and will stay there.

[edit on 9-4-2009 by grover]

Grover, buddy, I miss those little talks we once had.....

Perhaps you could not stand going down in flames to the warmth of my logic...

I think it's great that we'll all be able to enjoy the muslim lifestyle. Some of you may take a little persuading to make such a radical change, but luckily we have the patriot act and homeland security forces that can track you down and bring you into the fold. Thank you very much for supporting that over the last few years, we couldn't have done it without your help.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I think it's great that we'll all be able to enjoy the muslim lifestyle. Some of you may take a little persuading to make such a radical change, but luckily we have the patriot act and homeland security forces that can track you down and bring you into the fold. Thank you very much for supporting that over the last few years, we couldn't have done it without your help.

Actually this is a very good point..............

A means to an end...........

Originally posted by heliosprime

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Another pointless thread. Show me one piece of evidence that proves anything about Obama having ties to Islam, and we can talk. Until then you just look like a whiny child who is mad because the naughty librarian didnt get elected.

Errr......I believe his name is "Barack Hussien Obama", me thinks that is not an Irish name.......how about german...nope....french it might be french.....err...nope.....

Which proves....errr...ummmm....that his parents had muslim lineage. Wow. Really nailed your point home there.

Obama went to school in Indonesia when he grew up there. On the school records, his religion was noted as Muslim. Back then, only muslims were allowed to attend schools in Indonesia.

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I had a girlfriend for a couple years who is Chinese-Indonesian. Chinese itself is not a very good thing to be in Indo. She is also Catholic. That is not the best thing to be in Indo, either. However, she did go to school. She is 5 years younger than BO. When are you claiming it was illegal for non-muslims to go to school in Indo?

I know a good number of people who pretend to be muslim. It makes for an easier existence in some places.

I do not think that many Obama supporters will jump into Islam with him. Maybe I am wrong, but I see a fair portion of his flock having deep Christian roots.

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Now you are just being silly! Do you think that this type of silly rant is going to bring anyone into our conservative ranks?

Your future post will now be just dismissed as humor, sarcasm or parody and not given even the slightest bit of consideration for having any validity what so ever.

Man up and quit whining!

Topic...How will we know when Obama returns to his Islamic roots? Will he wear a turban or something?

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

Which proves....errr...ummmm....that his parents had muslim lineage. Wow. Really nailed your point home there.

For those with eyes and unclouded minds, the path of obamassiah is very clear. Leading as many as possible into the lake of fire beside mohammad and allah.

Don't leave out his "bow" to his master.......

But new questions have been raised about Obama’s student loans and Obama’s ties to a radical Muslim activist who reportedly was raising money for Obama’s Harvard studies during the years 1988 to 1991.


The allegations first surfaced in late March, when former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton told a New York cable channel that a former business partner who was “raising money” for Obama had approached him in 1988 to help Obama get into Harvard Law School.


In the interview, Sutton says he first heard of Obama about twenty years ago from Khalid Al-Mansour, a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist who was a “mentor” to the founders of the Black Panther party at the time the party was founded in the early 1960s.


Sutton described al-Mansour as advisor to “one of the world’s richest men,” Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

www.newsmax.com...

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by heliosprime

 

Now you are just being silly! Do you think that this type of silly rant is going to bring anyone into our conservative ranks?

I could care less who becomes conservative. This man is pure evil as was mohammad and allah. You can dismiss this as "silly" all you want, just as obama being described "moderate" by the repub "elite" after the election.

This is about obama destroying over 233 years of american history, culture, and faith in just 100 days or less.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by heliosprime]

Originally posted by heliosprime


I could care less who becomes conservative. This man is pure evil as was mohammad and allah.

Could you be specific on this? For clarity, for what reasons did you come to the conclusion that "mohammad and allah were pure evil"

This is about obama destroying over 233 years of american history, culture, and faith in just 100 days or less.

could you also be more specific on this? how exactly did obama destroy '233 years of american history, culture, and faith in just 100 days or less'?


i mean SPECIFICALLY.

it is easy to make bold statements, it is another thing to back them up. when you are so heartedly bashing major cultural groups as well as major political groups it helps if present an argument with meat on its bones-something you have yet to do here. i am not saying your statements have no merit, simply that you have not yet shown us that there is any.

i look forward to your clarification.

Originally posted by Animal

Could you be specific on this? For clarity, for what reasons did you come to the conclusion that "mohammad and allah were pure evil"

Perhaps these will help you understand....

The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel. moongod.htm

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

And now this...

When compared with the Jewish and Christian scriptures, the teachings of Quran show that Allah is not the same God worshipped by Jews and Christians.

God — The Koran asserts that the god of Islam is the God of Christians and Jews (Sura 29:46). Nothing could be farther from the truth.7

The god of Islam, Allah, is most definitely not the God of the Bible. Allah is presented in the Koran as an autocratic ruler who is aloof and arbitrary (Sura 5:40). Allah is unknowable whereas the God of the Bible is knowable (2 Timothy 1:12). Allah is impersonal, unlike the personal God the Scriptures reveal (1 Peter 5:6-7). Allah is unitarian (Sura 4:48) whereas the God of the Bible is trinitarian (2 Corinthians 13:14). Here is what the Koran says about the God of the Bible (Sura 4:171): “Believe in Allah and say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son.”

Allah is capricious (Sura 2:284), whereas the true God is trustworthy. And Allah is never anywhere presented as a god of love — which is the essence of the nature of the true God (1 John 4:7-16).

Jesus — The Koran denies point blank that Jesus was the Son of God (Sura 112:2-3). It also denies His atoning sacrifice by claiming that he never died (Sura 4:157). A substitute died for Him on the Cross. Jesus was translated to Heaven, like Enoch, where He will remain until He returns to kill all pigs, destroy all crosses, and convert the world to Islam. Jesus will marry, reign for 40 years and then die and be buried next to Muhammad in Medina.8 Jesus is characterized in the Koran as nothing more than “an apostle of Allah” (Sura 4:171).
Source: The Truth About Islam Dr. David R. Reagan

www.apologeticsindex.org...

Now the vilness of muhammad...

The Koran describes Muhammad's massacre of the Jews main.faithfreedom.org... which leads modern Moslems to think such behavior is a good thing. After the battle all 700 men left in the tribe were slaughtered in one day the unfortunates being forced to dig their own graves before their heads were struck off. The women were enslaved. Muslims always prized females not only because they could be used to do domestic work, but also because they could used to used to satisfy their carnal appetites of their owners and also be used as breeding stock to breed more slaves. Islamic enslavement of the non-believer continues today in the Sudan and Mauritania. In fact Islamic genocide against the non-believer is occurring in the Sudan.

Once you are killing Jews some of them will fight back and so will become a threat. Then it is much easier to create paranoia toward them and convince your followers that they are evil. Creation of Paranoia by Muslims toward the non-believer in order to destroy them is rampant today. To see a movie of this click here. Why would modern day Muslims create paranoia? We can understand why Muhammad did but why do Muslim preachers do it? Why does Palestinian TV incite hatred of Jews in children? Some of the motivations are probably the same as those of Muhammad, non-believers might cause doubt in the believers and threaten their power and status. If the preacher believers that those who fight the non-believer score points with Allah then he probably thinks that by inciting people to fight Jihad he is also scoring points with Allah. If he believes that children will go to heaven if they fight the non-believer then there is no reason to feel guilty about inciting them to fight the non-believer. He understands just as Muhammad did that in order to motivate people to fight Jihad against the infidel it is helpful to make the infidel appear to be an evil threat who has committed atrocities against fellow Muslims.

You promised your followers booty if they fight for you. The problem is you have to deliver on the promise of the booty and yet you want it. So tell them that since Allah granted victory the spoils belong to him and one fifth should go to his prophet (you) and let them have the rest (Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52 Number 46 8:41). What if your followers want to rape their captive women? If you want them to kill for you, it would be wise to satisfy their sexual desires and offer it as a reward for mass murder so you tell them that Allah decrees that they can rape their captives (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3371).

www.primechoice.com...

and this....

www.youtube.com...

could you also be more specific on this? how exactly did obama destroy '233 years of american history, culture, and faith in just 100 days or less'?


i mean SPECIFICALLY.

it is easy to make bold statements, it is another thing to back them up. when you are so heartedly bashing major cultural groups as well as major political groups it helps if present an argument with meat on its bones-something you have yet to do here. i am not saying your statements have no merit, simply that you have not yet shown us that there is any.

i look forward to your clarification.

Piece by piece obamassiah is dismantling america....

Point-a massive increase in social spending while reducing military spending including missle defense at a time when NK and Iran are building up.

Point-a massive takeover of private sector companies, the firing of the GM CEO.

Point-Funding world abortion

is this enough yet I could go on until my 10,000 characters are all gone in this post and several more...

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How many times do I have to say it - I have done posts and posts about it.

Obama is the puppet of the antichrist.

I thought at first that he was the antichrist. Then I realised that he was a puppet. But he is doing the bidding, performing well...

I am sorry for all of us, take care everyone...

I truly believe that we have had it.