The Frightening, Unsolved and Disturbing Incident of Nine Dead Skiers

found this on that russsian site.

As a materialist, and analyzing the available information, we Volodya Rykshinym offered his theory of what happened. В природе известны случаи возникновения инфразвуковых волн (частотой от 4 до 7 Гц). In nature, there are cases of infrasonic waves (frequency of 4 to 7 Hz). Как правило, они возникают на море в результате подземных извержений, взрывов, либо во время шторма. Typically, they occur at sea as a result of underground eruptions, explosions, either during the storm. Еще в 30-е годы геофизик академик В.В. Back in the 30 years geophysicist Academician VV Шулейкин открыл инфразвуковые колебания («голос моря»), возникающие в штормовом районе. Shuleykin opened infrasonic oscillations ( «the voice of the sea»), resulting in the storm area. Распространяясь со скоростью 1200 км\ч, такая волна намного опережает движение породившего ее урагана, как бы предупреждая всех о надвигающейся опасности. Spreading at a speed of 1200 km / h, this wave produced a much faster movement of the hurricane, as would all the warning about the impending danger. И это хорошо улавливают обитатели моря. And it was good catch sea dwellers. Человек испытывает беспричинный страх, беспокойство, порою даже ужас. Man is groundless fear, anxiety, sometimes even terrifying. При этом, в зависимости от мощности излучения, у человека могут наблюдаться повреждения внутренних органов, человек может ослепнуть. In doing so, depending on the radiation power, a person may experience damage to internal organs, a person can cause blindness. В этой области работали французские ученые. In this area, French scientists have worked. Как показали опыты французских ученых, инфразвук частотой 7 Гц смертелен для организма. As the experience of French scientists, the frequency of 7 Hz инфразвук fatal for the organism. А ведь во время шторма в море он генерируется частотой в среднем около 6 Гц, но иногда может достигать и 7 Гц. But during a storm at sea, he generated an average frequency of about 6 Hz, but sometimes it can reach and 7 Hz. И если такая волна «накрывает» судно, она за секунды убивает всех. And if this wave «covering» the ship, in seconds, it kills all. При этом даже самое тщательное расследование не обнаружит ни следов отравления, ни заразной болезни. In doing so, even the most thorough investigation finds no traces of poison or contagious disease. Столь же реально представить, что инфразвук частотой около 7 Гц вызывает приступы беспричинного ужаса, приводящего к безумию. It is also feasible to provide that инфразвук frequency around 7 Hz is wanton terror attacks, leading to madness. Охваченные ужасом члены экипажа, ослепшие, оглохшие, бросаются за борт... Horror-stricken crew members oslepshie, oglohshie, throw overboard ... Вот вам и легенды о «летучем голландце». Here's to you and the legend «Flying Dutchmen».

basically going on about the low level soundwaves (4-7hz)that can cause blindness... madness and internal injurys??? humm that kind of supports my urly suggestion of sonic weaponry testing. causing madness, blindness and confusion.

interesting hu?

if someone could contact someone to translate this properly it would be great seems this has a lot more in depth information regarding the facts at the scene as well.

Originally posted by jericanman
mushrooms grow everywhere in that area. u can google this.

In the snow?

Living in the mountains of Washington I know the true danger of avalanche dangers. This sounds like very much like a avalanche accident right up till it was mentioned high levels of radiation. I cant explain the radiation...???

well no they dont grow in the snow but in the Autumn months. so im sure if they where inclined that way they could have gathered them before the sking trip.

plus that explanation cant really cover all the injury's unless combined with a mini earthquake / snowfall. that scared them or crush some of them.

i was just thinking outside the box with that one

as for the radioactive nature. if going with any of the natural cuases.

then the russian link shines threw again.

Some of my fellow geophysicists suggested that the increased activity may be associated with the instrument panels of aircraft. Часть приборов, имеющих светящиеся ночью циферблаты, изготовлялась с использованием радиоактивных элементов. Some devices that are illuminated at night dial, manufactured with the use of radioactive elements. Но какой интенсивности было тогда излучение этой приборной доски на момент эксплуатации самолёта, если спустя примерно 50 лет уровень радиации достигал на отдельных участках 300 мкР/ч!? But what was then the radiation intensity of the dashboard at the time of operation of the aircraft, if after about 50 years reached the level of radiation at selected sites 300 mkr / h!? Есть ли связь между гибелью самолёта и гибелью ребят на перевале Дятлова? Is there a link between the loss of the aircraft and the deaths of children in the Pass Dyatlova? Не знаю. I do not know. Может быть есть. Maybe there is. После посещения перевала Дятлова я с интересом просмотрел все материалы, которые мне удалось найти, касающиеся гибели ребят и все те версии, которые выдвигают эксперты. After visiting the pass Dyatlova I watched with interest all the material that I have been able to find regarding the death of the children and all those versions, which are nominated by the experts. Мой ребёнок любит складывать картинки-мозаики из маленьких кусочков картона. My child likes to add a picture, a mosaic of small pieces of cardboard. Их называют пазлы. They are called puzzles. Так вот, у меня создалось впечатление, что кто-то взял несколько картинок, перемешал все их кусочки, потом половину потерял. So, I have the impression that someone took a few pictures, mix all the pieces, then lost half. И эксперты пытаются из оставшихся кусочков сложить единую картину происшедших в 1959 году событий. And experts are trying to lay out the remaining pieces of a single picture of past events in 1959. Возможно, гибель самолёта и повышенная радиоактивность на месте катастрофы со временем лягут на своё место в этой картине-мозаике. Perhaps the loss of aircraft and increased radioactivity at the crash site over time

basically goes on about a plane downed in the area long before the ski trip. fragments found all near the site of the 9 deaths. and that the parts for bits of the plane where highly radioactive.


excuse the bad translator... the link is

Link near the bottom of the page


[edit on 10-4-2009 by jericanman]

Mod edit: Used URL tags to fix page formatting problem. -- Majic

[edit on 4/10/2009 by Majic]

Originally posted by Chadwickus
The radiation in the clothing is weird...
Was there any other anomalies in the autopsies?
Also, is there any online sources for this story?

Great thread btw

The trauma to the bodies found in the ravine but no external bruises or even traces of blood on the ground. The police tested for radiation, that is really odd and also very suspicious. My guess is that they saw something classified and were expedited.

This story, at face value, seems to have a patina of malevolent abduction and human mutilation cases. The aspects of the reported investigations might be individually explainable, but in such a cluster are more suspicious.

Some observations:

I would look at common injury's for the many explanations proposed. Of course one of the individuals having a psychotic episode is plausible where others would come to his/her aid, but would not explain the distances these individuals where found at. No other tracks but their own, no animal or otherwise would indicate the tents where not inundated by a avalanche either. Explaining the cut open from the inside tents is quite curious. Just too many odd shards of evidence that together look like some very horrifying event took place.


The missing tongue is curious in this, and although Raptor has seemingly neatly wrapped this event up in mundane occurrences, (soft warm tissue and animal carrion feeding) I think the preponderance of curious evidence says otherwise. The tongue has the fastest healing speed of any tissue in the body. I would not discount this merely as an expected animal targeted food. Even in cold conditions. How often does this actually occur?

Here are some other links that might be interesting to correlate.

Human Mutilation Case

Human Mutilations

And, a curious excerpt from this link on the subject of the tongue.

According to the report, his nude body was found three days later in the middle of the desert, horribly mutilated: the tongue had been removed from the lower part of the jaw; the eyes, removed; the genitalia and the anus, all the way to the colon, excised, "as through a plug". The autopsy report confirmed that the body had been completely drained of blood.

Yuck and shudder! :0

Injuries from avilanches do not so far find much in internal injury except the skeletal dislocations and spinal injury. But I am still looking. It seems blunt trauma would also be present in such a death. None here??

Link to Medical Article

If I was to decide at face value wether this case bears more scrutiny from the standpoint of a possible human mutilation case, and with the reports of aerial sightings at the time I would hands down go deeper into this event for serious investigation.

It is well known for those who know the history of Ufology's study of aliens and the information from people having contact and discussions with these beings, that there are many species interacting here. Some whom have high regard for life and freedoms of sovereign beings (even ignorant back-woods jerks like us), and those species who regard us as assets to their agendas of what the hell ever they are doing here.

This case seems like one to look at closely to find identifyers for the particular species behavior in our biosphere.

The sightings might warn us of a particular species doing business in the neighborhood so we can be ready. For what, who knows.

Thanks for this post. Quite interesting and a bit disturbing too. No thanks for the disturbing part.

F&S

ZG

I am thinking wild animal attack, probably in the middle of the night or early morning hours.

The group leader may have chosen to pitch the tents in the clearing because he suspected that some large animal was living in the woods. This part of Russia has lots and lots of bears. A bear could easily explain why the victims abandoned their tents only partially clothed, the tree climbing, the crushed skull and broken bones of several of the victims.

Originally posted by lunarminer
I am thinking wild animal attack, probably in the middle of the night or early morning hours.

The group leader may have chosen to pitch the tents in the clearing because he suspected that some large animal was living in the woods. This part of Russia has lots and lots of bears. A bear could easily explain why the victims abandoned their tents only partially clothed, the tree climbing, the crushed skull and broken bones of several of the victims.

Bear and animal attacks are also obvious to medical people in that part of the world. Lack of external injuries and no animal tracks would lay such theories to rest it would seem.

ZG

Originally posted by Family Size
From what I remember, isn't there some local legend or folklore that comes from the Mansi tribe, about 9 Mansi dying on the mountain Kholat Syakhyl (mountain of the dead) ?
The place they were heading for Mount Ortorten, means don't go there !

What I find curious is the level of radiation in the area.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by Family Size]

Ditto on the radiation.

Radiological can be traced according to specific halflife and elemental trace. I wonder how deep the investigation went?

They can even pinpoint what particular weapon in a nuclear arsenal was used by the elemental and radiological fingerprint.

Radiation does occur naturally remember. That's where we get it.

In fact the concentrations sometimes found actually create a "natural" reactor! I have read articles where deposits of sufficient concentrations of uranium actually create "warm" spots the early native americans knew about and marked as deadly areas. Pretty smart people. probably took a few generations of deaths to know that though.

Natural Nuclear Reactors

So while this is a "possibility" it's inclusion in this case is more than unusual.

ZG

For even more interesting and supposedly true facts and insights on this story go to a site called Aquiziam.com pretty interesting. I would also like to say like the site says that even though this is an extremely interesting case we should take a moment and think about these people who died a mysterious and probably quite painful death and show them the respect you would show a relative or a very good friend.

reply to post by Beach Bum


I agree and I can't help wondering what it must have been like being stuck in that situation, whatever it was.

The entire thing is tragic. What is even more tragic, IMO, is that it was probably some sort of twisted Government technology experiment.

At least that is what I have deduced from the report and I very well could be very wrong.

reply to post by ignorant_ape

Very good point. WHO is investigating cases from India that have happened in the past month, several fatalities were noted on the RSOE site last week. That kind of violence is not unheard of in people who drink bad moonshine.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR



So youre saying whoever perpetrated these crimes was interested in a Three- Course meal?

Lets be serious here guys.

The non-external bruising factor of the resulting internal injuries is the most odd fact of this case in my view. I do wonder how the long exposure to the extreme environment would have effected such visual evidence though.

My initial feeling, with the torn tent and apparent tree climbing, seems very much the result of a possible Bear attack. The instinctual reaction of any potential prey, especially in regards to Humans and Primates, is to immediately flee up a tree or high point in an attempt to escape the clutches of danger. If other people were responsible for such an atrocity, the instinct to climb would have been much less distinguished, as most would realize that it is a hopeless endeavour.

As for the sliced tongue, that could very well be the result of scavenger predation. The reason the bodies were found headed towards the Camp site, but not at it, was most likely due to their loss of a Visual on their collapsed tents, which could have very easily resulted in their Hypothermic reactions due to the Exposure levels.

As per the Radiation, if this is accurate indeed, it is difficult to determine what this is from. I would say that we must remember however that this occurrence was during the height of Soviet Atomic/Nuclear testing, and it was before the time and era in which we finally attained a more thorough knowledge of Fallout Patterns, and the various Hazards related to such activities.
NOTE: One of the Major Soviet Weapons Testing Ranges was in fact in the Urals Region. It was called the "Totskoye Range", which is located to the North of Totskoye Village, which in turn is roughly 40km from Buzuluk in Orenburg Oblast, Russia. This was a section of the "Southern Urals Military District". You also had Above Ground Atomic Weapons Testing taking place to the North in the Polar Section of the Ural Mountains, located within the "Novaya Zemlya Test Site".

If there was a plane that went down in that area with a nuke on board they would have known about it which explains the testing. The internal bruising and damage could be from radiation poisoning which also might explain skin discoloration but that drastic of injuries is odd. I kind of wonder if there was a crash in the area that was being guarded and they wandered into it. Remember, these are the same people who covered the Chernobyl reactor with tarps and slabs of concrete, not the brightest bunch.

I think we have pretty much ruled out these possibilities:

1. avalanche - if there were an avalanche wed clearly see evidence, there were no bodies or anybody missing who was found under a good amount of snow.

2. nuclear or radiation attack - its really hard to see the possibility of some unknown person using a nuke or radiation to remove a few individual skiers especially ones who dont have a background which is of interest by the Russian Government?

3. homicidal murder - since there were no footprints left on the crime scene, it seems as if there is no way somebody would have murdered these skiers one by one.


IMO the story gets really fishy when the whole summit was closed off by Russian authorities. Itd be a really good idea if somebody went to the area with radiation measuring devices to conclude if there is any left over which would back up the idea that there was a genetically advanced race invovled.

I'm still having a hard time believing anything but a natural, though tragic, reality happened to these poor people. There is nothing within the evidence presented so far to even suggest there was Alien anything, except a report that some people saw strange lights. Yet, that means almost nothing! It's not like everyone knew these people were dieing, while they were dieing. So those people who said they saw those strange lights would’ve had to recall what they were doing and what they think they saw the day everyone thinks this tragic accident took place. The strange lights could have been hours before, hours after, or even a full day later. Once again those lights mean next to nothing.

The possible solution I gave yesterday still stands as the main reason, to me, these people met their demise… However, the reason I gave yesterday for some staying while the rest left is not written in stone, ie… two guys behaved as bullies. It could have been something as simple as, seven wanted to leave during the beginning of the storm, while two others decided to stay. Yet the storm moved faster then the group who left thought possible.

There are problems with this possible solution, I admit that… however, before I get into that, I must first explain what happened to the sock, the tongue and explain the internal damage. Yet, before I even start that, how the hell did those people contact anybody? Its not like they had cell phones back in 1959. The only way they could have contacted anyone is with a bulky radio system. Or perhaps a handheld walkie-talkie... Yet if that is the case how come they never contacted anyone when things started to go horribly wrong? This simple truth is still nagging at me. How did they contact anyone and with what kind of device? Does anyone know? (I’m sure it was mentioned I just don’t remember.)

Now for the tongue and internal damage. It seems rather simple to deduce these people received these injuries/physical damage as they climbed down the mountain. I mean, is that really that hard to believe or even suspect as the main cause? It is normal for extreme climbers to tether themselves to each other. So if one had and accident it seems only likely they took others down with them. Someone biting off their own tongue is not that hard to believe either... seeing how I have read nothing that tells us how much tongue was actually missing. So the damage could have been caused before those people even started on their journey down the mountain or while they started down the mountain.

Now for the sock... I am going to stick with the reason I gave earlier as to why these two people were so close to each other and why they started the fire and why they climbed the tree. However, how come one only had one sock? Well depending on the direction of the wind, it truly is not that hard for me to believe those who stayed behind at camp could have heard the screams of the other group as they fell to their deaths. Or perhaps they heard the screams of the lonely person trying to make it back to camp. If I heard someone screaming in pain or in fear, without question I would jump out of my tent and go see what I can do to help immediately. Without thinking I was going to end up getting lost myself. Now, I am guessing almost all of us have played in the snow. Have any of you ever fallen through snow? You know, it looks flat on the surface and for several steps everything seems solid underneath, then out of nowhere one or both of your feet/legs have plunged two, three, four feet down into the snow. Well I have and it always happens unexpectedly. Losing a sock to this kind of a surprised event seems extremely likely if these two ran out trying to find the person screaming into the storm.

So far I think the facts suggest everyone in this group died, tragically yes, simply because of pure bad luck... seems more believable then aliens or some kind of government experimentation/murder… Even though we are talking about the old USSR, I still think that is highly unlikely… Highly. Let alone the fact that the Russians could’ve had some kind of secret technology that allows them to fly saucers or some other such thing… Sorry that is just laughable in the extreme considering the true nature of the old USSR and just how radical they truly were back in those days especially.

However, the whole 7hrtz thingy... I will have to seriously consider that being a possible culprit as well. Having been stuck in a blizzard I can confirm just how loud and eerie a heavy snow and heavy winds can make when mixed with the right conditions and typography. If it wasn't for the radio I think I would have gone mad, that truly is a weird sound and over time it does play with you... 1200mph winds is absolutely not even remotely likely. The evidence doesn’t even suggest that was even remotely possible. The winds I dealt with were around 70 - 80mph with gusts around 100 to 120mph. But that is a story for another time…

Once again I have to admit my theory has problems; Yet if there was a severe winter storm in that area, how did those witnesses see those strange lights from such a great distance? How did the camp have any foot prints at all? Those people died in place, they didn't die, get up and walk around and then go back to where they first died. So if their wasn't a severe storm, then why did they leave? That part bothers me, but only if there truly wasn’t a severe winter storm.

And the theory that any wild animal removed the tongue is simply ridiculous. Sorry but it is... Animals are not neat, they are never neat… especially when they are hungry... so we can completely rule out wild animals being the culprit behind the tongue. Completely!

Before I even begin to imagine some kind of out of this world encounter/culprit, I need to know how much tongue was missing. How many people had broken bones and internal damage. And if there was, or was not a storm that day. I believe I read within this thread there was a severe storm. So, right now I am strongly leaning towards the possible solution I have created within this post and my previous post.

Why is this wrong? Having only thought about this horrific incident for a little over 24hrs, this is the only logical solution I have formed. If I can get some clear answers to my questions, then of course I am completely open to other reasons. Please poke holes in this theory.

--Charles Marcello

[edit on 11-4-2009 by littlebunny]

Originally posted by Family Size
From what I remember, isn't there some local legend or folklore that comes from the Mansi tribe, about 9 Mansi dying on the mountain Kholat Syakhyl (mountain of the dead) ?
The place they were heading for Mount Ortorten, means don't go there !

What I find curious is the level of radiation in the area.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by Family Size]

That was one of the initial theories thought about by the lead investigator, Lev Ivanov. I believe this was ruled out due to the fact that no Mansi were actually living in the area (i think). One of the sources i posted on page one explains this in greater depth