How close are we to a new (armed) American Revolutionary War?

It seems to me that America is racing headlong toward its end as a sovereign nation. What is the flashpoint that will force us to march on D.C. and our state capitols to take back our country?

I believe we are already at a point where fewer than 50 percent of those living in America have any appreciation for the freedoms we (used to) enjoy, provided by our Constitution. This includes most of our under-30 population, who have been thoroughly indoctrinated in anti-Americanism.

If war comes, we will be fighting against millions of illegal aliens, ghetto thugs and Muslim terrorists in addition to our own increasingly fascist government. Pretty soon, patriots will be vastly outnumbered by America-haters and others brainwashed by the NWO.

Does ANYONE out there have a plan? Is there ANYONE with the qualities of George Washington who can lead the way? Is it time to form a new Continental Congress?

Yes, this is dangerous talk, but these are dangerous times for those who love freedom. America is bleeding to death. When will we move to save her? And how?

Look I'm not going to just say: nope not gonna happen anytime soon... Even though that is the case...

See we all feel your frustration trust me on that, and things are only getting worse day by day...but....

Its not the person but the event that polarizes a people into action.
When you talk about George Washington remember the times the Brits had placed such a heavy tax burden on us, plus without warning the crown could up and give your little farm to some Nobe in essence kicking you off your land... well everyone here was up in arms... and that takes some doing when you figure 90% of a population are sheep... George Washington didn't make the event the event made him.

What we lack today is that one thing we can all get behind as one unified voice... we were pretty close as gas prices rose like they did we may be once again if the markets and job loses get a lot worse... true the government is poking the sheep but not enough for them to start looking for a better pasture

[edit on 8-4-2009 by DaddyBare]

reply to post by DaddyBare


Sir, I understand your trying to calm the author, but the promoting of historical inaccuracies is how we got into this mess to begin with. To wit; it was a ‘Stamp’ tax and ‘Tea’ tax when added to the combined colonial tax burden of LESS than 6% that sparked the Revolution; the point was not the level of taxation, but the fact that the British Parliament and King ignored the voice of the people who felt they had no say in their destiny. Furthermore, less than 25% of the colonial population supported the ‘rebel rousers’ up until the publication of “Common Sense” and the Battle of Bunker Hill (Breeds Hill actually), at which time 48% of the American colonist supported the Revolution. The rest of the colonial populace were either Loyalist or fence sitters. About exactly the numerical divide, we face today in the attempt to save our Republic.

For now fellow Patriot, fear not! Join the Tea Party Protest Movement, in what I believe to be our last attempt at national sanity, and live your core principles and YOU will lead many to take a stand. A free man who refuses to compromise and in calm strength refuses to kneel, will draw the less resolute to him as a light in the dark. Be peaceful, but be vocal, stand strong, but do not be provoked. This Republic Shall Stand!

statesstand.ning.com...

[edit on 4/8/2009 by SGTChas]

People in america are too mind controled to do anything.

So just a waste of time even talking about this stuff.

you know all we really need is to have big organizations set one date and march on Washington, preferably with guns in hand.

think about it, if the NRA, Libertarian party, Constitutionalists, Independents, Ron Paul Supports, Ducinich (spelt his name wrong) supports, Militia Members, Freedom fighters, Patriots, Tea Party members, and all the others all decided on July 4th (or whenever) to march on congress and started (in advance) fund drives, donations, bake sales, auctions, whatever, just to help pay everyone's ticket there, we could do something...

couldn't we?

reply to post by allgoodnamesaretaken


Far away.........Americans still prefer to spend their time between work and sleep in front of the TV where American Idol educates them!

you americans are incapable of revolting or revolution with current weapons you have , you will never be a match for US military , which will crush the insurrection at will ..

the only possible way to fight back is appeal to Russia to supply the resistance powerful arms(like Sams like Buk , anti tank missiles like kornet, anti heli/anti-predator drones IGla manpads) in the revolt against evil federal american empire

only Vladmir Putin can save you from the jaws of socialist fascist Obama messiah

[edit on 8-4-2009 by sadchild01]

reply to post by allgoodnamesaretaken


I understand where you are coming from. But I think that the situation in this country would have to deteriorate into something incredibly worse than it is today. You would have to see the situation become akin to the Weimar Republic with rampant political, social, economic and cultural destabilization.

And I honestly hope it doesn't come to that.

Thats why you can't buy ammo at WalMart and guns are hard to buy now days............We are asleep at the wheel........

Maybe for some...........

Originally posted by sadchild01
you americans are incapable of revolting or revolution with current weapons you have , you will never be a match for US military , which will crush the insurrection at will ..

the only possible way to fight back is appeal to Russia to supply the resistance powerful arms(like Sams like Buk , anti tank missiles like kornet, anti heli/anti-predator drones IGla manpads) in the revolt against evil federal american empire

only Vladmir Putin can save you from the jaws of socialist fascist Obama messiah

[edit on 8-4-2009 by sadchild01]

Oh Jeeezzz You are such a sheep. You never square up to military if their is a revolt. You sabotage the bridges, rail roads, food shipments, & ambush to destroy the beast. You same people fear the tanks and jets but guess what they require lots of fuel. You ambush the fuel trucks and soon enough those tanks won't be going anywhere. You also ambush the leaders and soon You will see freedom. You don't take them on head on You fight them gorilla style....


Oh I am not a revolutionary I just think its idiotic when people say this crap because look at Afghanistan they are winning by using gorilla tactics.

An army wouldn't even need to be involved. Would revolution simply further their martial law agenda? Riot police could probably kick our arses hard with their "rubber" bullets and shotguns. Let's go back to the medieval type warfare that's a smart idea

reply to post by SGTChas


Funny thing about that is Benjamin Franklin claimed the revolution was not about the tea tax, although I believe the taxes and quartering of soldiers in colonists homes didn't help.

Franklin Reasons

The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War.

That was taken from the site, there are many that say the same thing, a Google search would give you many sources of this quote...

So basically the Revolution started over worthless British money that was REQUIRED to be used putting the colonies into depression. (SOUND FAMILIAR ANYONE?)

Thank you, I stand corrected. Good point, exactly the same thing going on; first 'Tea Parties' over taxes, then...

[edit on 4/9/2009 by SGTChas]

Originally posted by lastxdance
An army wouldn't even need to be involved. Would revolution simply further their martial law agenda? Riot police could probably kick our arses hard with their "rubber" bullets and shotguns. Let's go back to the medieval type warfare that's a smart idea

Apparently not a scholar of military history. An armed insurrection is not a riot. A riot is sometimes a first step towards a revolution, but it is not the revolution. Fighting riot police on their terms is a waste of time. You fight against a helmeted guy carrying a shield and a stick with your bare hands, you're going to get a thumping. Wait till he and his buddies are tired at the end of the day, after they take off their riot gear- hang out on a roof back by the trucks they came in, and wipe them all out in a few seconds with rifle fire.

Guerrilla tactics are how such a war will be fought. You don't fight face to face, you fight obliquely. You raid, you ambush, you assassinate, you take out their lines of support, and then you disappear back into the rest of the population. You do this again and again, progressively weakening your enemy. The only thing they can do to fight you is to "crack down" on the people- because they can't tell you apart. Their heavy-handed tactics only make you stronger, by turning more people against them.

I think this is a possibility, but not in the near future.

What do I predict?
Much more of the same.

It's very likely that the American financial system will fail. Just because they don't want to use the word "depression" doesn't mean it isn't around the corner. There will be economic hardship, increased unemployment, rising crime in the face of fewer facilities.

The only solution to remedy that is voluntary service in exchange for supplies. You'll be working directly for government and being paid through aid. This creates the largest government structure, and increases the reliance of the people on the state. It really is the basic model in "1984".
There's a chance Obama has started this ball rolling by implementing the voluntary service ideas he has.

Couple that with the power to seize every business and corporation and continue their operation under government control, and you have the perfect machine in place for an economic recovery which will last years, centralize power, increase the reliance of the people on central government...

As companies fail and infrastructure collapses volunteers will be drafted in to supply these essentials.

I'm not suggesting this is a conspiracy, it's common sense to draft people into government controlled service when the economy and infrastructure collapses. It's just that this will, by default, lead to the replacement of recognized government with something more sinister.

But it won't cause massive civil unrest unless states themselves decide that this move isn't acceptable. People will feel lucky that they have a roof over their heads and food on the table. And they'll pressure their states to go ahead with this plan.

That's just my opinion on what could happen. I'm not suggesting it is inevitable, I'm just putting the pieces together like everyone else and creating a plausible picture.

The new American revolution will come when:

1. You pay way too much for food and gas.
2. When you pay high taxes on most everything you consume or own.
3. When the internet is either shut down or limited.
4. When illegal immagrants are allowed to take your jobs from you.
5. When unemployment reaches 25%
6. When the right to bear arms is finally made illegal.
7. When Congres no longer hears you.
8. When the Whitehouse becomes a dictatorship.
9. If in 2010 and 2012 Congress and the White look like they do now.

All these things are coming together to form a perfect storm of massive proportions. Yes, a storm is coming. It will be hard. People will bear most oppression, but when the internet goes down and food and gas are hard to get, and a job cannot be found... then and only then will the people get it and the storm will be upon us all.

reply to post by jkm1864

You sabotage the bridges, rail roads, food shipments, & ambush to destroy the beast

most Americans are too dumb to do it properly

most US citizens would only be capable to sabotaging railroads ,no chance of destroying bridges , most do not have knowledge of military explosives like RDX ,HMX nor critical points in brides to effectively destruction of bridge

ambush

indeed , to penetrate kevlar body armor you 7.62 mm rounds or 5.56 mm to be effective in killing , , and you need training to ambush ,

food shipments

can be delivered by air..

Oh I am not a revolutionary I just think its idiotic when people say this crap because look at Afghanistan they are winning by using gorilla tactics.

lol, you are a sheep . look at the kind of supplies that were given to terrorists by West in the 1980 soviet invasion,
the some of the list:
120 mm mortars to destroy bases
Stinger missiles to bring down Hind helos/Su-22 aircraft
Milan ATGMs and TOW to destroy tanks like T-62 ,T-55(failed to destroy any T-72)
artillery and heavy infantry assualt weapons of 12.7 mm caliber
logistics and communication equipmment
Intelligence reports
mines/IEDs

these were the things that mujhadeen had to attack soviet forces .

like i said , you were need help from Russian FSB and supplies of weapons too , to fight the fascist US federal govt forces



[edit on 9-4-2009 by sadchild01]

reply to post by Fromabove


To answer your criteria I will defer the answers to links. Then after reading the links answers you can get a better picture of how close we are according to this well written list of criteria which could spark the OP topic.

1. You pay way too much for food and gas.
These are on the rise

2. When you pay high taxes on most everything you consume or own.
Cigarettes
Fat tax or "Twinkie" Tax States that already have it or about to adopt similar laws: New York, Alabama, the ball is rolling....

3. When the internet is either shut down or limited. Bills which would give Pres Obama ability to shut down the internet

4. When illegal immagrants are allowed to take your jobs from you.
I don't think this is a real problem. More importantly than this is when there are no jobs available. This should be included with the unemployment below in #5.

5. When unemployment reaches 25%
Currently we are not at 25%. What would happen if auto industry did bankrupt and scale down? I don't know but this could cause a sharp increse in unemployment. Plus the trickle effect of more mass layoffs would spawn more future layoffs as businesses profits continue to decrease with less consumer spending due to lack of funds. Then when that business goes under a few more people have to hit the streets with thier resume.
Bureau of Labor Statistics

6. When the right to bear arms is finally made illegal.
Process is already in the works.
ABC Special to Dismiss Idea of Using Guns for Self Defense?
Eric Holder: Second Amendment will not “stand in the way”

Wiki on the reformated and re-introduced 2008 gun ban bill
Good YouTube Vid
The actual bill itself
An interpretation of the current bill

7. When Congres no longer hears you.
Most would probably agree this is already happening. Congress does not appear to listen to the people if it does not fit congress's agenda. Some would say yes, others no. This one is up for debate. 72% of the people were against the recent stimulus bill but congress ignored them.

8. When the Whitehouse becomes a dictatorship.
I will not remark on this subject as this can be argued both ways that we are in the early stages of this. There are plenty of ATS posts discussing this subject and only time will reveal the truth.

9. If in 2010 and 2012 Congress and the White look like they do now.
I do not foresee a drastic change in government attitude towards protecting or restoring rights and instead shifting towards protecting the people in the name of war against terrorism by taking away rights and monitoring.

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." Adolf Hitler

I think this about sums up my viewpoint on how close we are and the quote above is appropriatly applied to America. Citizens needs to wake up and turn off the television. America's government even admits Americans spend most leisure time behind the television.

[edit on 4/9/2009 by Amaxium]

[edit on 4/9/2009 by Amaxium]

Originally posted by allgoodnamesaretaken
It seems to me that America is racing headlong toward its end as a sovereign nation. What is the flashpoint that will force us to march on D.C. and our state capitols to take back our country?

I believe we are already at a point where fewer than 50 percent of those living in America have any appreciation for the freedoms we (used to) enjoy, provided by our Constitution. This includes most of our under-30 population, who have been thoroughly indoctrinated in anti-Americanism.

If war comes, we will be fighting against millions of illegal aliens, ghetto thugs and Muslim terrorists in addition to our own increasingly fascist government. Pretty soon, patriots will be vastly outnumbered by America-haters and others brainwashed by the NWO.

Does ANYONE out there have a plan? Is there ANYONE with the qualities of George Washington who can lead the way? Is it time to form a new Continental Congress?

Yes, this is dangerous talk, but these are dangerous times for those who love freedom. America is bleeding to death. When will we move to save her? And how?

This is complete idiocy.

First of all, that would solve nothing. A rebellion would solve nothing unless there is a more efficient system to replace it.

Second of all, Its not necessary. America is still a great country to live in, regardless of the hard times that we are going through due to the war, shortage of oil, or whatever the hell it was that destroyed the economy, or whatever. The "problems" i will call it. You are still alive, so be thankful and productive. Thats my advice. You can make a difference in other ways.

Third and lastly,

Violence is not the way to peace.

Originally posted by Vyrtigo


Third and lastly,

Violence is not the way to peace.

Yeah, it's much better to keep getting financially raped, watch whatever wealth you try to accumulate for your kids get stolen, see all your hardwork and labor and sweat become all for naught, and see your family turned out into the streets while the upper class get bailed out, treated better than you and have more rights because of the people they know, and bonuses for prostitutes, jets, and lavish parties.

Seriously, people like you are the real sheeple, worse than the mindless zombie horde who watch American Idol. You mask yourself as someone awakened, but in reality you want everyone to continue sleeping because human dignity is gone.

edit: And a rebellion doesn't have to install a more efficient system. The system we have is already efficient if we remove the widespread corruption and rule of law. Get rid of the upper-class social connections that result in favoritism and corruption.





[edit on 9-4-2009 by American_Soviets]