Professor Graeme MacQueen WTC Tower Lecture at the University of Waterloo

Why else would thousands of professionals risk their reputations and livelihoods by publicly and vocally joining the Truth Movement over seven years after 9-11? In this case it is a professor and Graeme MacQueen is not the only professor speaking out. Hundreds of professors are risking their tenure and reputations and endowments to speak out against the treasonous perps of 9-11. Why else join in seven years after the fact, except these professors have been learning from the early efforts of other 9-11 Truthers?

Why? Because they can be just as gullible as the next guy. Just confirms that even "geniuses" can still lack any form of common sense.

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You mean the thousands of government agents swarming over the government-produced debris pile. You act like CD companies leave tons of extra det cord lying around in a building just for people like you to look at

No, I mean the thousands of firefighters, police offices, and construction workers that were on site from the evening of 9/11 till the last bit of debris was removed in May 2002. Government agents...are you truly this paranoid?

"You act like CD companies....." So now your magic men managed to remove all traces of the demolition apparatus between the time the towers fell and the time WTC 7 fell......and you think IM deluded...LOL.

Yes, because you would rather believe the steel-structured high-rise twin towers and building 7 all fell due to fire, which has never happened in history (and goes against all available evidence), and ignore all of the real evidence from all of the witnesses to the detonations of explosives, the video evidence of the detonations, the physics, the forensics. Sorry, but every single piece of evidence goes AGAINST your denial beliefs.

And he is wrong once again. No, three buildings collapsed that day due to fire and physical damage. It wasnt just the fire, and it wasnt just the damage, it was both....still not sure why that throws people like you for a loop. And as of yet, there is NO evidence. The ravings of the Steven Jones are just that, ravings.

However, maybe you can explain how the "forensics" support your demolition theory...when you also allege that no one was allowed to examine the debris?? Im sorry, but a chunk of steel or a bag full of dust that unnamed people send to a professor they dont know isn't evidence......

Oh really? You must've "overlooked" the quote that I posted from William Rodriguez talking about the power-down also.

Nope, didn't overlook it at all. Just added it to the list of embellishments that Mr Rodriguez has added to his stories over the last seven years. Face it, he has turned into an attention whore who changes his story every time his popularity on the truth circuit starts to wane.


Of course, he refused to answer my questions when he came here to "lecture"

You'd rather sit at home in your little chair and call people liars instead of getting your butt out of that chair and contacting the Port Authority to ask them to see the memo on the power-down. Mr. Forbes said that approx. 3 weeks before the power-down, they were notified by the Port Authority

You chide me for assuming...and then you turn around and post a stupid statement like that. How many times have you been to the WTC site? How many members of the FDNY have you talked to? You dont know the first thing about me or how that particular day in history completely disrupted my life on a number of fronts....and you damned sure haven't sat with a widow when she is handed the flag off of her firefighter husband's mostly empty casket, (mostly empty because they couldnt recover enough of his remains from the wreckage of the North Tower to fill it).

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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
So now your magic men managed to remove all traces of the demolition apparatus

You mean the invisible, spent apparatus?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
three buildings collapsed that day due to fire and physical damage

Um, 95-98% of both tower's structures were completely intact and undamaged. The damaged sections were damaged on one side only and that was the plane impact side. Three other sides of the damaged areas were intact. The damage to the towers wouldn't even come close to causing collapse, let alone GLOBAL collapse and we already know that fires don't bring down steel structures. So much for your understanding of physics.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
still not sure why that throws people like you for a loop

Still not sure why you discount dozens of firefighter, media and private citizen testimony to the detonations and flashes from the detonations going off all over the towers before and during the collapses. Or why you discount the video evidence of some of the explosives being detonated. Or why your comprehension of physics won't allow you to see that steel-structured high-rises can't fall down without explosives or earthquakes.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Of course, he refused to answer my questions

Of course, you refuse to post sources that I asked for earlier. You're still blah blah blahing...


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Yeah, what you just posted there had no bearing what-so-ever on my post. I think you just wanted to spew a few words to make people feel sympathy for you, all the while dodging what I posted. Go back and read what I posted again. I said GET OUT OF YOUR CHAIR and go interview witnesses, request an FOIA from the Port Authority to see the memo on the power down. DO SOMETHING instead of being an armchair debunker that calls others liars due to his denial instead of showing some kind of proof.

Still not sure why you discount dozens of firefighter, media and private citizen testimony to the detonations and flashes from the detonations going off all over the towers before and during the collapses.

Um, I don't. I also dont take the statements out of context. You do.

And once again, you carp about getting out of my chair. And again show your ignorance. I have gotten out of my chair, I have talked to people that were there that day. So again, your ravings mean very little. Try getting off of YOUR chair and out of the conspiracy sites and learn some facts.

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Umm, maybe the fact that he tends to cherry pick quotes from the firefighters and taking them out of context?

Like the FBI, and the 911 commission did, (cherry pick) I find this amusing, swampfox do yourself a favor, and stop reading conspiracy sites for you research. It is obviously that Professor Graeme McQueen has done his homework. Why didn’t the FBI print all the firemen statements that were on record, oh, I know why, because the OS could not be sold to the sleeping Americans if they heard true statements like explosions going off in the WTC or FLASHES going around the WTC as it was exploding in to DUST!

Airplanes took down the WTC..Bwaaahhaaaa what a joke.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
I also dont take the statements out of context. You do.

I've already asked you TWICE to provide a source to your claim that the observation deck at the WTC was open on the weekend before 9/11. You have not provided any sources. So are you lying or is it true? Which is it? This is the THIRD time I'm asking for a source.

We know you lied about sending the dust to Dr. Jones because you admitted it. If you're lying in this instance also, admit it.

If you've taken the time to do any research on controlled demolitions and watched countless hours of videos, you would know that many demolitions of high-rise buildings will show flashes and detonations going around the building. When more than one person sees the same exact thing at the WTC, what part could POSSIBLY be taken out of context?

I'm AGAIN going to ask you to source your claims and show us how their testimony is being taken out of context.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
I have gotten out of my chair, I have talked to people that were there that day.

That may be, but you haven't contacted the Port Authority to try to obtain the memo about the power-down. You haven't contacted survivors of either tower to confirm or deny the power-down.

Until you do, you have no business at all calling people liars until you obtain proof. When you call others liars without proof, it makes you look like things I can't say on this forum.

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www.911myths.com...

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Thank you for posting the images of the ticket, although the tickets could easily be faked. I'm already in contact with the Port Authority since nobody else wants to do it. We'll get to the bottom of this once and for all.

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I'm AGAIN going to ask you to source your claims and show us how their testimony is being taken out of context.

This is how Louis Cacchioli is "quoted" about what went on that day.

prisonplanet.com...

This is how Louis Cacchioli feels about conspiracy theorists

louiecacchioli.com...

Conspiracy theorists then used that quote as proof that 9/11 was an inside job. Since then, Louie has repeatedly tried to set the record straight that he was misquoted.

Some examples of Dylan Avery's deception in regards to members of the FDNY..

emptv.com...-interviews

Better yet, here are the words of the men and women of the FDNY who survived that day. Its amazing how conspiracy theorists keep claiming there is some super secret gag order that keeps them from telling their stories....and I can find their stories with about two minutes worth of searching....

graphics8.nytimes.com...

"When we turned the corner west on Liberty, figure it was probably about 9:15 at this time, there was a good 20 floors of fire in the south tower. I mean, it was pushing red on at least 20 floors from what we could see. I turned to Tommy and I said, Tommy, this building is in danger of collapse. In my opinion, I didn't think there was going to be a catastrophic collapse....."

Richard Carletti, FDNY

"There was talk about not knowing the stability of the building. I heard that being mentioned and not knowing where that report was came from. It's like somebody was questioning the stability of the building. In fact, that was coming from Steve Mosiello...."
"There was -- it must have been almost like instantaneously with your eyes focused on what was going on with the two towers that all of a sudden you start to see peeling away from tower two, the facade of the building. Thats what I really thought was going to be happening. I was thinking in my mind, gee, if that thing was going to collapse, how it was going to collapse."

Joseph Chiafari. Lieutenant FDNY

"It was pretty soon after they had left that Richie Zarillo, who works with EMS -- I believe he's an OEM liasion -- came running up to me. I was not on the ram at this time. I was like almost at the sidewalk location. He said Steve, where's the Chief? I have to tell him, you know -- I said tell him what, Richie? These buildings are in imminent danger of collapse"

Steven Mosiello, Fire Marshall, FDNY

"I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative of from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled talking the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believe that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse."
"The information we got at that time was that they felt both buildings were significantly damaged, but they felt that the north tower, which was the first one to be struck, was going to be in imminent danger of collapse. Looking up at it, you could see that, you could see through the smoke or whatever, that there was significant structural damage to the exterior of the building."

John Peruggia, EMS Division Chief, FDNY

"And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out. I LATER REALIZED THAT THE BUILDING HAD STARTED TO COLLAPSE ALREADY AND THIS WAS THE AIR BEING COMPRESSED and that is the floor that let go."

Albert Turi, Chief, FDNY

"That's when we heard the building start shaking.........I figured we were going to get like a pancake collapse on top of us"

Eric Berntsen, Firefighter FDNY

"Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster fallling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building and that was the reason on the hand talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower."

Joseph Callan, City Wide Tour Commander, FDNY

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Better yet, here are the words of the men and women of the FDNY who survived that day. Its amazing how conspiracy theorists keep claiming there is some super secret gag order that keeps them from telling their stories....and I can find their stories with about two minutes worth of searching....

Yeah simply amazing! Swampfox46_1999, you should stop doing your reasurch on comspiacy sites. A five year old could have found this on google.
This video below is a NYFD telling a reporter that he is under a GAG order futhermore he states they are all under a gag orders.

911stealth FDNY Under Gag Order Jobs at Stake Mossad Zionists

First we hear a fire fighter explaining his involvement on 9/11, then we hear a firefighter who says they cant say anything due to a gag order, he can not even provide his name and he says that it ...

www.youtube.com...





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Another youtube smoking gun??? You have got to be kidding me. A no-name individual (who actually looks suspiciously like a certain 9/11 "truther") tells the world his involvement with 9/11....


Have any REAL evidence of this "gag" order?

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When it all comes down to it, all you need is one website:

Firefighters for 9/11 Truth
firefightersfor911truth.org...

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Funny. Cannot seem to find any members of the FDNY who actually believe what is posted on that website or that are members of that website. I CAN however, find the normal list of Loose Change-type falsehoods.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

Another youtube smoking gun??? You have got to be kidding me. A no-name individual (who actually looks suspiciously like a certain 9/11 "truther") tells the world his involvement with 9/11....


Have any REAL evidence of this "gag" order?

So, everyone is a liar, and all the videos of firemen telling something different other than the OS, are liars and you have proof that this firemen in that video is lying, eh?

Ill, tell you what, YOU prove to me that this fireman is lying, and I will believe in the OS, and you will have converted one member to your belief

Prove to me that video is a fake, and I will JUMP on your bandwagon..




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So, this guy is being interviewed on the night of 9/11 and says he cant talk...but then starts talking....so much for the "gag" order. And if it was an order anything other than the normal FDNY policy, it was voided when FDNY had all the survivors interviewed and their transcripts made part of the public record.


Now, why did I get a different video when I clicked on that link today, than the one I got last night?



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So, this guy is being interviewed on the night of 9/11 and says he cant talk...but then starts talking....

Yeah he did talk, he said I can not tell you anything because I am gag but you can ask someone else questions if they are willing to talk but they are gag to. So what did the firerman tell the reporter that, he was not allowed to talk about?

so much for the "gag" order.

Again Swampy, what did the fireman say that he was not allowed to talk about?

And if it was an order anything other than the normal FDNY policy, it was voided when FDNY had all the survivors interviewed and their transcripts made part of the public record.

At this time, I do not care about the firemen statements they all made later on. I only had to prove one thing and I did! I had to “prove” to YOU that a gag order had been issued to the NYFD. I guess you forgot why I had to prove to you there was a gag order.

Its amazing how conspiracy theorists keep claiming there is some super secret gag order that keeps them from telling their stories....

BUSTED!

Now, why did I get a different video when I clicked on that link today, than the one I got last night?

I do not have any problem with the video link. Swampy, maybe its your computer trying to keep you from knowing the 911 TRUTH. Anyway, you have failed to prove the firemen are telling lies, and you have failed miserably to prove the video is a fake, so much for wining me over.

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could you please produce articles and interviews with these firefighters