FBI InfraGard warns of a crescendo of public concern about Obama's eligibility

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Tasked by the FBI to provide "informational analysis" on conditions which could be construed as potentially harmful to civil order and national security, InfraGard, of the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC), issued an unclassified Protective Intelligence Communication report in March 2009 regarding the "crescendo" of public concern about Obama's presidential eligibility. Authored by Dr. Lyle J. Rapacki, Protective Intelligence Specialist and Agent, the report summarizes the substance of legal challenges to Obama on the question of his constitutional eligibility and concludes that if it "should be discovered Mr. Obama is ineligible, a constitutional crisis would ensue attempting to determine which of his executive branch orders should be valid." It goes on to warn that "if...Mr. Obama fights revealing his documentation, there is growing concern of civil unrest, or worse, being unleashed in the streets of our nation. The economic crisis coupled with this type of a constitutional crisis could prove to be a flashpoint that would test conventional law enforcement and elements of homeland security."

This may be coming to a head if this is legit.

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Either way the word on the net is this is true....
Enlighten me please.

SO basically this really says " please don't ask to see Mr Presidents birth certificate and we won't have to come and bonk you citizens on the head".

I believe people have been focusing in the wrong direction with this birth certificate issue. Let's move back and think about this from a 10,000 ft perspective. Could it be possible the birth certificate, and other sealed documents, be hiding something else?

The rabbit hole is much deeper than that; and I’m actually quite frustrated that so many people have used so much of their own resources, energy, and the media attention in fighting for something that has so many obstacles to climb.

Instead, the NObama crowd should be focusing on the ‘why’ of certain actions, be it sealed documents or whatever. For instance, most of these people zero in on the Birth Certificate and School documents (marriage license, etc.) because they are naturally curious as to what is on those documents that the administration’s legal team has sealed. Perhaps, once they hit a road block they should have then shifted their focus onto the purpose of sealing those documents, rather than the documents themselves. Let me explain:

So much money and attention has been placed on getting hold of those documents, mostly because Obama has legally sealed them. They then jump to conclusions; like, “oh, he must have been born in Kenya”, or “I bet his grades weren’t substantial enough to get into Columbia or Harvard”, or “I wonder who funded his education”. I feel like they are fighting an exhaustive and, quite possibly, a no-win battle.

Instead, ask yourself ‘why’? For instance, let’s just say he was born in Kenya. Some hard-core supporters will then say ‘so what’, but we know better and know that he legally wouldn’t be eligible for President. So, on to the next question:

Why wouldn’t he be eligible? We can then get ourselves caught up arguing over the exact definition of ‘Natural-Born Citizen’ (which many of us have already subjected ourselves). Instead, they should look at the ‘why’. Like, ‘why’ did our Founding Fathers put those words, those specific words, into the Constitution? Why not just ‘American Citizen’, or even ‘American-Born’ citizen? Well, given that every word in the Constitution is written as a Legal authority, to keep our government in line with the original vision of this country and to uphold our number one reason for forming the new Union: Freedom. Freedom from any ruling organization, monarchy, or government; we are the rulers, not our government.

Freedom is a privilege for many citizens, in many countries, but here it is our RIGHT. We are the only country who has it actually written in our original, The Original, contract. It’s a small little word on our Constitution, and it is very easily lost, but it is the very thing this country has fought many years to obtain and then contain.

If we can so easily be divided and argue over what it means to be an American, can you imagine the argument of a person’s allegiance? Is he divided? Which county would he die for? Which country is he working for? Which government, corporation, or society is ruling over him? Perhaps a dual allegiance may conceivably work in other nations, but it will never work here. Given this, we must be sure that we never place someone in this position whose allegiance may be questioned; whether by him or his people.

So, I feel like the whole birth certificate thing is moot and definitely not worth the ongoing argument and costly resources.

[Following is my opinion]

Obama is a ‘Naturalized’ American. In fact, both his mother and his father are ‘Naturalized’ Americans, and he was born in America.

So, ‘moot point’ indeed! I think it’s too bad Berg and Keyes are wasting so much money and energy on an issue they’ll never prove nor win, since it’s an issue that isn’t likely.



[edit: to fix a few things]


[edit on 6-4-2009 by SourGrapes]

Nothing is coming to any head with regard to Obama's eligibility and I think this entire argument is silly. I never hear anyone in everyday life talking about Obama's eligibility so I don't see how it could ever become an issue of civil unrest. 99% of the people don't even care if he's eligible or not at this point because his documentation was approved by the FEC, and because he has already been elected and sworn in as President.

Talk about a colossal waste of time.

reply to post by SourGrapes

Obama is a 'Naturalized' American. In fact, both his mother and his father are 'Naturalized' Americans, and he was born in America.

His father was never an American in anyway shape or form, only his mother was born here.

"Naturalized" and "Natural Born" are two different things. If he is "Naturalized" then he isn't eligible t be president. That isn't a "moot point" as you say, instead it is in the very fabric of the constitution.

IMO, the reason why Obama has sealed his records could be one of two things which both are very damaging to his reputation. The first one being the hot topic issue of him not even being Natural Born and not eligible to hold the office of President. The second one being that his records show that he isn't black but instead he is Arab.

The first one would be pretty damaging and the consequences would be as the article says, that violence would break out in the streets. The second one would cause a nation to be unified and the backlash would be unprecedented.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife



Like I said, too much focus has been in the wrong direction. Instead of looking at the father's citizenship, look at who the father is. Please keep in mind that his (named) parents were not married at the time and consider the time line of his conception.

I do not believe that man is his biological father, as we've been lead to believe.

[Edit to add something]

I do believe it would be even more damaging if his biological father was revealed. At least in a 'Civil War' kind of way.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by SourGrapes]

reply to post by The Cyfre


I hear about it regularly. This board, relatives, workplace, news articles. Anyone who hasn't been drinking the koolaid.

If the documents were sealed to hide something, regardless of what that something is, imagine the power it places in the hands of the person that has the key to their unsealing.

Obama will do exactly what he's told to do or the documents go public. Keeping them sealed keeps him on a leash.

Here's what I found after about ten minutes of googling the purported author. Not that is debunks this report, but it does not seem correlated with the subject matter:

LYLE J. RAPACKI, Ph.D.
Consultant at Behavioral and Natural Medicine
Board Certified Medical Psychotherapist
Diplomate – American Psychotherapy Association

From: clinicaladvisorsllc.com/healthy_chocolate.ppt

and

Lyle Rapacki, Ph.D. Assistant Professor 602-639-6809 [email protected]

From: 74.125.93.104...:7aRNg9CnVO0J:conhs.gcu.edu/index.php%3Fpage%3Dfaculty-staff+LYLE+J.+RAPACKI,+Ph.D.+-infragard&cd=41&hl=en&ct=clnk& gl=us&client=firefox-a

reply to post by jjkenobi


Sure, I hear about it here on ATS but I also hear a lot about Hollow Earth, secret Moon Bases and aliens who live as energy inside electronic devices, so forgive me if i'm taking this whole Obama legitimacy thing with a grain of salt.

I'm not drinking any Obama Kool-Aid, i'm drinking reality kool-aid.

With all due respect, he should show us the damned certificate for the good of his country. But he doesn't and that is contemptible in its own right, unbecomine, indeed unfit for the president of the USA. It is fit for the ruler of a banana republic and that's what we have at 1600 Pennsy.

Originally posted by The Cyfre
reply to post by jjkenobi

 

Sure, I hear about it here on ATS but I also hear a lot about Hollow Earth, secret Moon Bases and aliens who live as energy inside electronic devices, so forgive me if i'm taking this whole Obama legitimacy thing with a grain of salt.

I'm not drinking any Obama Kool-Aid, i'm drinking reality kool-aid.

reply to post by SourGrapes


Ehh, I disagree with your last statement, I doubt a civil war will break out over this if his father is reveled to not be who he says he is, or mother, or whatever.

My thing is that I'm not going to jump to a conclusion that he is or isn't eligible to hold the office, but more importantly, why has he sealed his records? Personally, what ever are on those documents have major implications and we can tell that, just by the lengths he has gone to have his records sealed. We have all seen this show before. He is definitely hiding something, what the something is, I don't know, but I'm almost positive that it is career ending and possibly worse.

The thing that sickens me is the people that say, "he was elected it doesn't matter what the constitution says." That is what the problem will be if he isn't eligible to hold office.

I don't see a civil war scenario in any of this. I think there are a lot of people in the FBI and other agency's that don't like the man and also see the route that he is taking this country down. So they are dramatizing reports like this to try to force him to show his hand.

There is a lot about the day to day dealings in Washington that we don't know. All we get is the media spin about Obama's personality and we have no idea what kind of "boss" he is if you catch my drift.

I do agree though that people are focusing on the wrong issue. They need to quit focusing on who his father and who his mother are and go after the crux of the issue. That being the fact he is sealing a record out of public view that is a constitutional requirement. For me it is like me getting a job and when my job asks for a copy of my Birth Certificate I tell them to shove it and keep on doing my job.

In short though, the only violent outcomes I see stemming for this is some small scale riots. I don't even see that though, there are bigger fish to fry right now.

reply to post by joeofthemountain


Do you understand that he had to produce these documents to the FEC in order to even run for President in the first place? What makes you think you're going to find something in these documents that the FEC didn't? Seriously. Why should he produce documents for people who aren't going to believe him anyway, especially when those documents were already presented to the appropriate authorities?

Sorry that it wasn't good enough for you but it's going to have to be.

Last time i researched into his dad.
He was married to woman in Kenya same time he supposedly married obama's momma.
I dont think that make's any difference his mom is American.


And the fact His legal name was barry sentoro..when he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather.
And they didn't allow duel citizenship.

So either he gave up his right to be a natural born citizen with the rights.
Or his mom did chasing anyone that could get her out of America..

Let's face it His mother for some reason Left to kenya with obama's father.
Left him later married the Indonesian man.
Moved there to...She didn't want to be a American.

People don;t by luck find 2 mate's that live out of the united state's and both muslim's...

I allways heard if i gave up or my parents gave up my rights and made be a full citizen of another country...even if i came back tot he united states when i got older...i wasn't natural born..i was givin another title.

Yes he has a Hawaii birth certificate.

But once to his mother signed away his citizenship in America to become a citizen of Indonesia.. Because they DID NOT allow duel citizenship when obama was there that's been proven before.

Hince why he used the Indonesians fathers last name.i would assume.

But I still say find out why his mother was so Keen on the idea...Let me marry ever foreign person i find
So i can get obama out of the country asap.....
You find that out you got the key to the lock.

Ok, I think this 'unclassified white paper' is a fraud.

First off, Lyle Rapacki is a former law enforcement officer who gives, or used to give, training on the occult. He runs a place called Crossroads Counseling.

Infragard is simply that Homeland Security device by which they want to have 'ears and eyes' among the businessmen of various communities. Anyone can apply to join them. Though yes, they do interface at times with the FBI and other government agencies. Lyle Rapacki being a member, does not make him some sort of FBI agent.

Dr. Orly Taitz is a Dentist who just a few years ago, also obtained a license to practice law.

I see this article plastered all over the internet, but not a single mote of reference anywhere legimate.

My conclusion is to dismiss this as hysterical rhetoric.

Ummm.... no. He did not.

Originally posted by The Cyfre
reply to post by joeofthemountain

 

Do you understand that he had to produce these documents to the FEC in order to even run for President in the first place? What makes you think you're going to find something in these documents that the FEC didn't? Seriously. Why should he produce documents for people who aren't going to believe him anyway, especially when those documents were already presented to the appropriate authorities?

Sorry that it wasn't good enough for you but it's going to have to be.

I don't think they mean civil unrest may occur if he does not provide the proof/unlock the vault.

Where I can see the "unrest" is if/when these docs are released and they show that he is not in fact a natural born citizen. This would violate the constitution and it will be demanded that he be either charged or simply removed.

There will be those who will say they don't care and he should still be pres. and then there will be those who will demand he be removed arrested and charged.

These 2 sides will clash without a doubt.


As far as focussing on the why is this stuff sealed, I think that is even more hopeless a task then getting it released. The why could be anything, and I mentioned a long time ago on one of the original posts that it is possible that there is something else on those docs that they are trying to hide and not neccessarily his citizen status. But something else that could drive further questions that they are not prepared to answer. Another can of worms perhaps.

reply to post by PowerSlave



I think the 'why' is the biggest issue of them all. I believe they'll find that no one is listed as father, I believe his birthday is off by a couple of months, and I believe his dad is not who they claim him to be.

The civil unrest will come when they DO find out who his biological father really is.

Hint: He'd have 6 biological half sisters and no brothers

Would you mind giving a little more detail about your "hint"?

I would love to know what you have in mind, or some inside information. Thanks!

Originally posted by SourGrapes
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

 

Like I said, too much focus has been in the wrong direction. Instead of looking at the father's citizenship, look at who the father is. Please keep in mind that his (named) parents were not married at the time and consider the time line of his conception.

I do not believe that man is his biological father, as we've been lead to believe.

[Edit to add something]

I do believe it would be even more damaging if his biological father was revealed. At least in a 'Civil War' kind of way.

[edit on 6-4-2009 by SourGrapes]

I have considered this as well. There is some talk that the timing and occasion of his conception / birth concludes with a certain other man being his biological father. One that certainly could institute "unrest".