Does the earth move and rotate on its axis?

The Sun contains 99.8 percent of the mass of the solar system. It's mass causes all of the planets of the solar system to orbit it. No where in our solar system can an object that is more massive be observed to orbit a less massive body.

This thread should be moved to the HOAX forum which was recently designed for exactly this type of discussion.

reply to post by Salt of the Earth


If you are serious (I SERIOUSLY hope not), then please explain this:

In December 1610, Galileo Galilei used his telescope to observe that Venus showed all phases, just like the Moon. He thought that while this observation was incompatible with the Ptolemaic system, it was a natural consequence of the heliocentric system.

en.wikipedia.org...

I'm begging you. Please tell me you are joking. It's way past April Fools' Day. Oh wait, this thread was posted 6 days after April Fools' Day.

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Sadly some people believe this strongly. While the theory may be erroneous and outdated, beliefs are not hoaxes. They're real.

reply to post by Salt of the Earth


Let me ask you questions:

Have you ever studied physics?

Celestial Mechanics?

Theory of relativity?

General Relativity?

Do you know what a tensor is?

Riemannian geometry?

Heck, even basic mathematics and astronomy.

You are way out of league of those fields, even basic fields.

Geez, I'm out of town for one day and this thread suddenly explodes with activity.

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
If any of you can come up with any kind of experiment in physics, any kind of proof of any kind, to back up the heliocentric theory of the movement of the sun and planetary bodies, you will be instantly famous. Please let's hear it.

I'll be famous for reproving something long proven? Amazing. Well in any case, the fact that the shuttle and ISS don't keep flying over the same points on the ground in every consecutive orbit but instead propogate east to west on every consecutive orbit as the earth rotates beneath it is proof enough that the earth rotates once per day.

I've given four examples of experiments in physics which prove the earth is not moving, and some have sneered at them and claimed it just ain't so.

I've already shown why your attempt at reinterpreting the results is wrong, I even showed why your attempt to rename one of them is revisionist.

The Bible says that God "hung the earth in space" and that He set the sun and moon and stars in their paths.

The sun, moon, and stars are also moving in heliocentrism...

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
You will find Dr. Neville Jones' article on negative parallax interesting since you think it to be easy to measure if you know how.

Already debunked - Jones intentionally leaves out accounting for proper motion or greater positive parallax of foreground stars used for comparison, giving the illusion of negative parallax (not to mention he includes stars whose measured parallax falls within the range of error or uncertainty of the instrument itself).

Jones is also quite wrong about NASA probes and the hubble images being fake, so there's nothing funny about it. He doesn't even understand something as simple as diffraction spikes in reflecting telescopes with a spider vane, claiming the spikes are "proof" of a hoax, yet we're to ignore the real causes of "negative parallax"? He also believes it's impossible to make a glove that will not balloon up in the vacuum of space and that all extra-vehicular activity is a hoax, making construction of the space station impossible. I've seen the constructed station with my own eyes, other amateurs have recorded spacewalkers right on time, people saw tempel 1 impacted by a probe, so I know he's completely wrong.
www.cloudynights.com...
www.oldstarlight.com...
Why you trust him at all is beyond me.

Parallax as you describe it is based on the heliocentric model, which gives a huge base from which to measure a parallax. With the geocentric model, you get a negative parallax.

Good, then geocentrism is disproven by most stars showing a positive parallax. /thread

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Your right i decided to ask my physics professor about Dr. Neville Jones After he almost fell out of his chair laughing i got a 40 min lecture on his theories. His basic belief seems to be that we cannot go into space and appears to be based off his belief in the bible. He apparently has been caught on multiple occasions manipulating his data and is considered a joke. After i did some research his belief that the appollo missions were hoaxed is almost laughable in itself. He tries to prove we cant launch a rocket into orbit!

Originally posted by dragonridr
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Your right i decided to ask my physics professor about Dr. Neville Jones After he almost fell out of his chair laughing i got a 40 min lecture on his theories. His basic belief seems to be that we cannot go into space and appears to be based off his belief in the bible. He apparently has been caught on multiple occasions manipulating his data and is considered a joke. After i did some research his belief that the appollo missions were hoaxed is almost laughable in itself. He tries to prove we cant launch a rocket into orbit!

Isn't it odd that the Russian trawlers in international waters off Florida weren't able to prove by radar tracking that the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo launches weren't going into orbit? (My ship "babysat" one of them during one launch, we had great pictures of Russians flipping us off.)

Originally posted by ngchunter

I'll be famous for reproving something long proven? Amazing. Well in any case, the fact that the shuttle and ISS don't keep flying over the same points on the ground in every consecutive orbit but instead propagate east to west on every consecutive orbit as the earth rotates beneath it is proof enough that the earth rotates once per day.

Yes, you will be famous. Many have tried before you. The orbits you speak of are not proof and support the geocentric model equally. The only experiment you have in physics to support your model is Faucault, and this is not even a free swinging pendulum.

Originally posted by ngchunter
I've already shown why your attempt at reinterpreting the results is wrong, I even showed why your attempt to rename one of them is revisionist.

It's not my attempt to rename Airy's Failure. I'm quite sure this experiment was named that from the beginning because it proved the opposite to what the experimenter (a helio) intended. He set out to prove the earth was turning, moving, and his experiment proved the opposite. So it was called a "failure" by general consensus from the helios cheering him on (who are the vast majority). Only recently, with the rise of the Internet, has geocentrism been reconsidered as being the truthful explanation concerning origins and the movement of the earth, stars and planets.

(by Salt) The Bible says that God "hung the earth in space" and that He set the sun and moon and stars in their paths.

Originally posted by ngchunter

The sun, moon, and stars are also moving in heliocentrism...

According to modern "science" the paths of the stars are straight out to nowhere until they reach some point whereby everything will suddenly implode back to its original state of one speck containing the entire universe. This is not a path per se. The Bible, in contrast, says the sun is likened to a swift runner that hastens back to the place from which it started each day.

The orbiting of moons around the planets in our solar system does not prove that the earth is orbiting the sun. The claim by science and its Hubble telescope that they see other stars with planets circling them -- I just don't believe it. It's just another lie among many. Lies, lies, lies.

There's one thing that does not lie, the only thing I have ever found so, and that is God's Word. God doesn't lie, and neither does his word.

Who are you going to believe? NASA and it's Hubble telescope that can't take a decent picture of the moon? NASA who claims to have flown men 12 times through the Van Allen belts, landed men six times on the moon in a treehouse made of roofing paper and gold foil, all propped up on spider legs --

Do you believe NASA or the Bible?

If you haven't figured out by now that the Illuminati, who own this planet, LIE, that everything they do is designed to deceive mankind through mind control, and

they are the most religious people of all, in total communion and obsessed with their devils that empower them and give them all their wealth

-- they are LAUGHING at all of us for believing their silly magick tricks and falling for their hoaxes and scams to the point that we go to war and kill each other off, abandon belief in God, become atheists, start believing in aliens, and will accept their chimera abominations they have bred to be their slaves, creatures made in their labs by combining human, animal, bug genes -- that we will accept these creatures as alien "gods."

They are LAUGHING AT ALL OF US. They teach you to be atheists, believing in space aliens, while THEY sacrifice and torture and orgy in honor of Satan and communicate with devils face to face. The former astroNOT Mitchell who is telling us the aliens are coming, HE is a freemason who believes in Lucifer.

So HE believes in Lucifer, but he wants you and me to believe in space aliens.

And he is willing to LIE TO US to get us to believe this.

All the astroNOTS are Freemasons. They believe in Jahbulon, a god with three heads on a spider body. Or Baphomet, a creature with a goat's head, a woman's torso, and a goat's legs and genitals. They are SATANISTS.

They are murderers. They murdered Gus Grissom and the other two astroNOTs. They are liars. They are devil worshippers.

Right now they are preparing an alien invasion hoax on us. They are the ones planning to pull off the Operation Blue Beam, to project a hologram in the sky to make us literally worship the devil.

They meet with devils in underground dungeons, help them to breed creatures that are an abomination to God.

They are not satisfied to steal your body and your money and your homes. They want your SOUL and YOUR MIND.

Dr. Jones is a physicist. How many of you can earn a Ph.D in physics? Same with Dr. Bowe (sp?) and others. I'm not a scientist or certainly a physicist, but I have enough sense to know when I'm being lied to. Anybody who can take a close look at that phony moon lander and insist that it landed on the moon six times, then took off to join up with the "mother ship" -- look at the pictures supposedly of the surface of the moon and not see that it just looks like earth, a bunch of small rounded rocks and such, can't see that the astroNOTs are either photographed slow motion and/or on wires -- and just use your common sense a bit, trust your own brain and eyes is the one who is the religious one, worshipping "science so-called," afraid to think for yourself, to use the brains God gave you, to believe your own two eyes.

Dr. Jones could be making big bucks working for Satan like all the other people who sold their souls. Some people can't be bought.

Wake up. Satan is a real person. You want aliens? They are devils, and they are real, and they exist in the air, on the earth and under the earth. They are intelligent and they have one mission, which is to destroy the earth utterly, to kill every human being, and, first and most important, to deceive each person, to steal their mind and soul forever.

This is the truth, the bottom line. These beings are REAL. They are NOT "ghosts" or "aliens." They are DEVILS.

They are liars and deceivers, just like you were sitting in the audience at a magician's show. The world is their stage. In a magician's show you know it's just a show, that it's "magic," and even then people wonder if it's really illusion or real. But when they do this stuff in the real world, announce their lies with a straight face in unison on the controlled media by their talking points through their paid actors (paid liars), we should not be listening or believing them.

NASA is notorious for being Freemasons, but Congress is also full of devil worshippers, pedophiles, the best Congress money can buy.

Just wake up. Stop living in the matrix. Wake up before it's too late.




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[edit on 15-5-2009 by Salt of the Earth]

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
The orbits you speak of are not proof and support the geocentric model equally.

Wrong. The only reason the orbital path is seen to propagate east to west is because of earth's rotation. In your model of a non-rotating earth, the orbital would be constant and still, thus my attempts to find the station using calculations based on a rotating earth would fail.

It's not my attempt to rename Airy's Failure. I'm quite sure this experiment was named that from the beginning

Wrong again, epically. Obviously you never even checked the reference you gave for the experiment mr. copy&paste. It's the same journal reference I gave when I quoted the true title of the experiment! Still denying the existence of the drag of photons by water? Fresnel predicted Airy's result due to dragging of photons by water. Again, you have deliberately misinterpreted the results and ignored all of the evidence explaining them so that you can hide behind your agenda.
www.paradox-paradigm.nl...
Water drags light, making it seem that the aberration of gamma draconis was not due to stellar aberration, but instead stellar parallax, which it was not.

According to modern "science" the paths of the stars are straight out to nowhere until they reach some point whereby everything will suddenly implode back to its original state of one speck containing the entire universe. This is not a path per se.

Wrong once again. All stars, including ours, orbit the center of their respective galaxy. Their proper motion is not two dimensional.

The claim by science and its Hubble telescope that they see other stars with planets circling them -- I just don't believe it. It's just another lie among many. Lies, lies, lies.

LOL, amateurs have confirmed extrasolar worlds transiting other stars.

www.aavso.org...
"Belgian amateur astronomer Tonny Vanmunster, seen here in his private observatory, detected the exoplanet TrES-1 as it transited its host star. He has also detected the transit of another exoplanet, HD 209458b"
www.aavso.org...

Who are you going to believe? NASA and it's Hubble telescope that can't take a decent picture of the moon?

photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov...

Do you believe NASA or the Bible?

Translation: Do I believe astronomers in general or your flawed interpretations of the Bible and astronomers' experiments. Umm, easy, I believe my fellow astronomers. For the record, and to mess with Salt's head, I'm also a Bible-believing Christian.

All the astroNOTS are Freemasons.

Quite the claim, prove it, for every single one of them. I've had the honor of knowing a couple, and they're not the evil people you claim they are, nor are the people like my family members who helped build the lunar lander you enjoy trolling about. By the way, it's quite sturdy underneath the thermal foil:
www.hq.nasa.gov...
It's a structurally sound cross-shape with reinforced welded vertical plates, not an octagonal underneath the outer skin.

Dr. Jones is a physicist. How many of you can earn a Ph.D in physics?

What university gave this fool a phd in physics? I haven't seen a shred of proof he has a real phd in physics. Prove it. I know more about physics than he does. He doesn't even know what causes diffraction spikes! He thinks the Hubble, deep impact probe, and ISS are fake! He's dead wrong, proven by amateurs like myself, and backed up by other professors who really do have a phd in physics! There's no reason to believe any claim he makes at all.

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reply to post by Salt of the Earth


*SIGH*

It may be hopeless, but:




Returning to add:




Note: Although this thread asks about what some would consider to be matters of Astronomy, it has become quite apparent that there is only one way anyone could believe the OP's premise - and that belief would have to be a person's irrational vision of reality. Therefore, these videos are on topic, based on my logic.









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I'm wondering why people would believe that the shuttle is in "orbit" around the Earth right now? I mean, the supposed Hubble "telescope" is so obviously a fake that nobody takes the "images" seriously, and really, they've done nothing to advance our understanding of the Universe, have they? Who needs something to stare at an "empty spot" in space for 100 hours just to get a supposed "deep field" shot when the sky is simply a crystal sphere a few miles above our heads?

Come on, please, deny ignorance of the truth. The Earth is flatter than Goldie Hawn.


(Erp! I think I hurted myself.)

reply to post by Salt of the Earth


"As a matter of fact, not everybody DOES take the Hubble pictures seriuosly. It can't even take a decent picture of the moon and it's images are all computer generated fabrications based on garbage in, garbate out. "

I certainly agree that there are people who don't take Hubble seriously. However, those people also lost contact with reality in many other ways, so I don't take them seriously. Except, of course, when they try to force their reality-substitute on everybody else.

So this is really just another thinly disguised religion thread then?

When something boils down to "I believe/dont believe X because the bible says so." thats the end of the debate.

Originally posted by HeHasNoName
So this is really just another thinly disguised religion thread then?

When something boils down to "I believe/dont believe X because the bible says so." thats the end of the debate.

Your exactly right and no one is going to change his mind as i stated earlier took the v atican 400 years to admit there wrong and he wont live that long.

Originally posted by HeHasNoName
So this is really just another thinly disguised religion thread then?

When something boils down to "I believe/dont believe X because the bible says so." thats the end of the debate.

Isn't it?
Sorry, wrong thread!
Here I was thinking that it was a 'religious' thread!
Oh '',thinly disguised'',
Sorry...........
helen

Originally posted by helen670
Here I was thinking that it was a 'religious' thread!
Oh '',thinly disguised'',

Sometimes it can be hard to tell online, but is this sarcasm? If so, do you have another explanation for the kind of blind unwavering belief in geocentrism demonstrated earlier?

Intersting thread.

It seems there is no real science to confirm that the Earth is moving at all.

I found this video of the Earth from space. Looks pretty stationary to me.

www.youtube.com...

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You're joking, right?? (I hope so....your name and comments in profile, though....give me pause....):

From that video's description --

This is a 24 hour time lapse from the webcam mounted on DISH NETWORK's EchoStar 11 Satellite.

Do you know anything about satellite TV? Do you know how it works? Antennas, on Earth, point to satellites in orbit. The satellites must be in GEOSTATIONARY orbit.....they seem to stay fixed, in one place in the sky, when viewed from down here (otherwise, the dish antennae would have to move to track them...hopelessly complicated and unworkable, for consumer TV needs).

So, put a camera on one of THOSE Sats...and, the view in that video is what you will see......the Sat is moving, "hovering" directly above one spot on the ground....over the Equator, to be exact.

Guess, maybe, didn't notice the video of Earth filmed by the Galileo spacecraft??:



(Time-lapse too, of course).