You get this when police brutality happens with thousands of eye witnesses.

reply to post by joao_ed


No, this was friendly game before the start of the Portuguese season, in 2004 (you can see that Trapattoni was the coach at the time), between a Swiss team (Carouge) and Benfica.

If it was in Portugal why would they say the the banner was in support of the Portuguese referee? All referees are Portuguese (as far as I know) in Portuguese games, there would be no need of a reference to the referee's nationality.

So, if you don't know what you are talking about, try to get informed first (like I did).

PS: are you Portuguese?

If you are in a situation where a officer was hitting you with a club or jabbing you, your not just going to relax, your going to cover that spot from getting hit. Now is that resisting arrest? I wouldn't just wait until they stop, im going to stuggle, struggle a lot, because i won't know when they are going to stop.

sec 21 of the video, might just have to be rewind a bit, because he was hitting him before it.

As its been said, Whos to say the Person was not still resisting? We can't see.

Just because somebody is on the ground doesnt mean they just gave up and let the police cuff them.

Unless you have physically chased, dropped, subdued, and hand cuffed an irate and Intoxicated person, I don't think you have any right to tell people if it was done right or not.

I also notice there is a LOT of footage of Soccer games turning into riots. Whats going on? What the hell is wrong with these people.

In the end, the Police didnt target and beat down a completely innocent Bystandard.

Oh wow.

That was very rewarding and fun to watch.

Got any more of those?

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by OrganizedChaos
Reply to defcon5

Sorry, but I am trained in defensive tactics,

Defcon5 is talking about offensive tactics, not defensive tactics. If you don't know the difference maybeyou sholud reserve judgement.

Mine was a reply to defcon5, who said: "To someone not trained in Defensive Tactics this probably looks like the police just hitting someone for no reason. . ."

I don't know how it is were you went to school, but down here its simply called DT and encompasses things such as take-downs and restraints.

But lets be really honest here, you can really only call this "Offensive Tactics" if the police simply pulled some random guy out of the audience and did this to him. In this case the guy asked for what he got by first breaking the law, then resisting arrest. Offensive means that the Police initiated it, but the fan initiated it in this instance.

Originally posted by Hung Lo
So you are saying the cops are perfectly justified to jab this fella with a nightstick?

"Oh no everyone, a guy running through a field with a flag!! Lets break his ribs before he causes someone to have a chuckle."

He is jabbing him in the arm, look at the angle of the cops arm verse the angle of the guy on the grounds arm.

Originally posted by pieman
if the cop doing the punching was using reasonable force then why did the bald cop stop him punching at 00.22.

Sorry I don't see it.
The bald cop at the guys head is trying to grab the guys right arm which he keeps pulling away, which is why he has to lean down is not visible in the still shot I attached. He is leaning over the guys body to try and grab the hand on his far side. The other bald guy is struggling with his left hand, and he looks like he is applying the cuffs. The third guy is sitting on his feet.

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
The words of Thomas Jefferson NEED to be brought up here, for all the american readers.
Now, those of you that think you know how to run a country better than Thomas Jefferson, stand up and let yourselves be counted.

WTF does this have to do with the US, Thomas Jefferson, or the Constitution. It didn't even happen in the US. I just love how the police bashers just intermingle other footage, and things that don't apply to this instance to try and prove their point.

Do cops do things wrong.... Yes.
Do cops lose their tempers... Yes.
Are there bad cops... Yes.
Do many cops have a God Complex... Absolutely.
Does that apply to THIS incident... No.

[edit on 4/6/2009 by defcon5]

reply to post by ArMaP


yes i am and u r absolutely right
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reply to post by OrganizedChaos


My apologies, Chaos... you didn't link which of Defcon's statements you were responding to so I was confused.

im just gonna go on record and say

GREAT kick


the cop deserved it


if not for being a jerk who abuses his power but for being such a dumb moron

i mean cops are so corrupt now they think they can get away with punching a criminal right in the middle of a damn stadium??

glad people stepped in and turned on the cops

glad the cops finally got a taste of their own medicine


most of all im glad gun play wasnt involved

surprised gun play wasnt involved...with so many shootings recently im shocked the cop didnt just pull out his gun soon as they were outnumbered

glad they didnt though

its nice to see a scene where justice is served without excessive violence (well at least the closet thing we've seen to justice in what seems a long time)

now if only there was a soccer player there to kick a cop in the head every time they pull that crap maybe theyd stop pulling that crap

only thing about that is im pretty sure if that happened anywhere else that soccer player wouldve shot real quick

'See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil.' If only the crowd thought no evil, then no more than one person that day would have gotten seriously injured. The cops were doing their jobs. The crowds didn't understand that ONE person CAN harm another. Sometimes it DOES takes more than ONE person to subdue another brute.

Originally posted by joao_ed
reply to post by Picao84

 

I think the place is not very important, but you are wrong.
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The game was in Switzerland and that is not GNR police, it was private security, the reporter on the video says security, if was GNR or police of any kind, he would mentioned.

GNR uniforms:
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In this particular case I would say the police behaviour was disgraceful. They completely overreacted. There was no need to act so severely and brutally; 4 of them vs. one guy with a white flag.

The crowd's behaviour afterwards was equally disappointing. This type of senseless violence causes so much misery around the globe and needs to be stopped. The question is: how can one stop this kind of violence in a peaceful manner?

Originally posted by defcon5

I don't know how it is were you went to school, but down here its simply called DT and encompasses things such as take-downs and restraints.

Although you are using the phrase Defensive Tactics in it's everyday use, what defensive tactics really means is when one defends themselves against an offensive opponent(s).

In this case the guy asked for what he got by first breaking the law,

So if a guy doesn't want to sign a speeding ticket and he was tazered for it, he had it coming too?

reply to post by joao_ed


First.. what the hell is with that attitude? Second.. i know rigth well that this was not in portugal.. I watch it LIVE on TV.. i remember that clearly and supporting the people at that moment!

Chill out a bit will ya?

Originally posted by Oaktree
I've watched that three times now!

Awesome, just awesome!

I wish some of the jackboots in America would see that and realize that there are repercussions for all actions.

Apparently you didn't see the guy being sneaky and hitting the cop from your angle. You see...us American's don't like cheap shots. We tend to get a bit ticked off when we are hit unexpectedly...then we hit back.

reply to post by Picao84


u absolutely right. my apologies, i was not having a good day.
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reply to post by joao_ed


Apologies accepted.. Good to know about one more portuguese here

I watched the video twice, I still can't find any police brutality?

All I can see is 4 police officers enforcing the law.

Then a bunch of "hooligans" morethan likely drunk, charging the cops, hit and run style even though they out number them 100 to 1. Yea, very courageous.

What a bunch of jerks.

I personally don't like police brutality. But a few punches to the back of the head, or an asp to the leg or arm, or a tazer, or non lethal rounds can go a long way(and used correctly is not police brutality) for a guy or gal who probably has a wife or hisband and kids at home and is just trying to earn a paycheck.... protecting YOU no less , from getting stomped and kicked for a full minute or two.

Now a couple smacks to the back of the head of a law breaker who's resisting arrest is Police Brutality? Pah-Lease