the moon is artifical

Originally posted by alienj
This post has to take the cake, things cannot get any stranger on this site. I am waiting for the post of hollow earth, and dinosaurs living inside our earth, and trees being some sort of listening device for those who are inside our earth. Next someone will tell us the sun is a a screen to cover up a space portal that aliens come thru, they heat the screen up and throw off heat to confuse us. Also that there is a big projector behind the sun that is projecting the stars into heaven. My god what is next?

Is the notion absurd to you because you have a more believable theory that nicely explains all the VERY coincidental things about the moon? If so, we are all ears. And so is the scientific establishment, that has yet to settle on a widely accepted theory.

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Anyone else here read the book "Who built the moon?" Good book.

I concur with the OP. The moon is probably the best "evidence" there is for intelligent intervention of some kind of our planet. Whether it's truly artificial is not known, but it sure is weird.

reply to post by JPhish

Hiya JFish

so you believe it because they told you to believe it?

Who tells anyone what to believe? I believe it because it's supported by evidence and accepted by science. It isn't claimed as conclusive, it's the theory of 'best fit' at this time. You're entitled to 'doubt' the existence of moon meteorites. I imagine your belief tends toward the idea that scientists have made it up to perpetuate the belief that the Moon is a rocky natural satellite. Again, it's up to you what you choose to believe. From my point of view the knowledge gained from the 200+ rocks is quite interesting. They've added more information about the Moon's composition than the 800+ pounds of material returned by Apollo missions.

So you'll believe whatever paradigm science clings to at any given moment. I’m leaning towards “it’s there by design” over “it’s there by chance and necessity

I'm an intelligent individual, fully able to draw my own conclusions. The theory of how the Moon was created is shared by scientists across the world. Scientists aren't any different to you or I. They are free thinking, intelligent normal men and women. There are hundreds of thousands of them. I know several and they are very normal. One used to work for the Police in forensics, so she was helping rather than hindering.

You are entitled to think it's there by design. If you refer to 'intelligent design', I don't understand why God or Allah would need to create a Moon. The Earth would be wholly perfect surely? If you mean by alien design, it seems a lot of work to observe us Earthlings. Instead of hauling a planetismal from who knows where, they could have parked a mothership up there. Whereas you have used your critical thinking skills and concluded the Moon is there by design, mine have concluded that it is not.

Forgetting any arguments...is there proof...etc.

If an alien race were to decide to populate a planet, or investigate a planet (and species) for any long period of time...and...especially since they would want a base nearby if their "home" were very far away...the idea of the moon being a base (natural or not) is near perfect. Especially if populating the planet required making changes or protecting Earth from asteroids etc. (as I believe I have heard the moon has done).

Very interesting idea. I wouldn't be completely shocked if it were proven and/or announced by the government. Especially if it had since been abandoned by whomever once used it. In fact...that would make a lot more sense to me. It is a now abandoned base.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
There are moons all over our solar system and probably the universe, so are these all artificial? Look at the moons on Saturn, one of them expands and contracts because of gravity and has huge amounts of volanic activity because of this. So I guess you think there is a volcano machine inside this moon or its the exhaust from the engine.

Our moon is the only one with a perfect circular movement around the Earth and with the same side directed towards us. So there is a difference between our moon and the others. For it's satelite behaviour it is a strange object.

reply to post by Pjotr


Perfect circular movement around the earth?

Do you mean tidally locked?

If so, our moon isn't the only one in the solar system that does this, I'm sure this has been mentioned already in this thread.

If you mean the orbit of the moon round the earth is a perfect circle, again you'd be wrong.

Some info here:

en.wikipedia.org...

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If I hold my finger up towards the sun I can cover it, surely I am a god?? who else can block out the sun??

reply to post by spitefulgod


You truly are a god, a spiteful god

You may be able to block the sun with a finger but I can block the whole universe with just two eyelids!

reply to post by Chadwickus


touché

i think is a cider of lava left from a celestial collision with the earth, a really big one that might have split pangea or even earlier...

Originally posted by Chadwickus
our moon isn't the only one in the solar system that does this, I'm sure this has been mentioned already in this thread.

But the other moons in the solar system orbit planets without oceans...

Do you have any examples of a tidal bulge being documented on other planets?


In any case, 'tidal lock' is an outdated way to account for the phenomenon.

For example, can you find in instance of any of the moon in our solar system that orbit with their heavier hemisphere facing away from the planet they orbit?
-You cannot ;-)

*That the hemisphere of the moon that possesses the greater amount of dense material should be oriented in such a way that is faces the planet is no surprise - yet some old die-hards have refused to acknowledge that this would account for the phenomenon they incorrectly referred to as 'tidal-lock'.

(These folks can be consistently found in peer-review forums misrepresenting and attacking any theory not currently considered 'mainstream', or that falls outside the paradigm upon which their careers and reputations are/were based.)

Not to say your theory is invalid or uninteresting at all, but recently theyve discovered that most likely the moon was created when the earth and a planet the size of mars collided millions of years ago.

get more info here:
www.space.com...
or here
www.space.com...

humans are so strange that they will never accept the fact that there is a perfect creator who created this universe that has many galaxies containing stars and planets with moons that were designed in a perfect way , and would love to accept that the moon is a creation of aliens.

really strange , strange humans that i can not understand

reply to post by Exuberant1

In any case, 'tidal lock' is an outdated way to account for the phenomenon.

Saturn and Titan share a very similar relationship to Earth and our Moon...

The degree of this oblateness is small, the researchers report in a paper published online by Science. It’s also not surprising, Dr. Zebker said, “because Titan rotates much as Earth does” (and Earth is squashed, too). Titan always has the same face toward Saturn, and the planet’s strong gravitational pull causes solid tides within the moon, adding to the deformation.

Link

Saturn's largest moon, Titan, may have a subterranean ocean of hydrocarbons and some topsy-turvy topography in which the summits of its mountains lie lower than its average surface elevation, according to new research.

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Seems pretty similar to the relationship between Moon and Earth

Regarding the denser side facing away from the Earth, it's only speculative but there are some ideas. I read this in a New Scientist e-mail a while ago so memory is hazy on it...One idea is that the Moon was struck by a heavy body almost 4 billion years ago. The moon's core would be more molten at that time. The impact 'flipped' the Moon to the degree that a different side now faces us. What made this idea more attractive is that it explains why the near side shows more craters than the far side. You have to remember that the early millions of years in the Solar System were incredibly chaotic.

If I can find the link to this I'll edit and add.

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Originally posted by Kandinsky
Saturn's largest moon, Titan, may have....

"May have"....???

Did you miss that part?

*What you have presented us with is another example of someone trying to fit the data to the outdated theory he ascribes to and which he has based much of his career upon..

The 'Tidal Lock' hypothesis is a too inflexible and ignores far too many variables.

A modifiable theory such as the one I referenced in my past posts can be altered when new relevant data is compared to existing data - this is not the case with the tidal-lock hypothesis.

Regardless, it appears that the orbiting body does have an effect on the tide of the planet it orbits, whether they be they of water, magma or liquefied gas.

(However, this 'effect' is certainly not the primary cause of the phenomenon commonly known as 'tidal lock')

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Originally posted by Dr UAE
humans are so strange that they will never accept the fact that there is a perfect creator who created this universe that has many galaxies containing stars and planets with moons that were designed in a perfect way , and would love to accept that the moon is a creation of aliens.

really strange , strange humans that i can not understand

Humans are so strange they'll believe either of those theories. They're both very, very strange when you look at them rationally. But humans are seldom rational. The old ape brain still runs some of us.

interesting theory..
for certain the moon has been subject of many conspiracy
first of them .. did man really go on the moon in 1969
thats is to be determine cuz usa was racing with other country to be the first to go there but what ever we did go there soon or later..
second thing is when man was exploring the moon why did the moon exploration suddenly stop.. is it because they have discover something or someone and (huge space ship on the other side of the moon) or there is now a huge military base and the public cant know it because of maybe alien involment or the military build a huge weapon nobody will even know until all is disclosure
but lets come back to why the moon is there..
one theory is when the 10e planet of our solar system called Nibiru
with his 3600 yrs of rotating axe have colapse with earth some millions yrs ago have created the moon so upon the impact it was so hard that a big piece of earth detached and is now our moon ..
this is why there is so many artifact over there its was on earth before and now its on this big orbiting piece
for the impact some million yrs ago thats why dinosaur were all disapear like in a second ( some fossil of 2 species battling together that was retreived is telling us .. death came in a split of a second)
if one day on the moon we discover some dinosaurs fossil that will prove this theory

or another theory is indeed the moon was made by alien to observe us
since they maybe created us with some DNA manipulation
and the moon is some kind of a huge alien base
or simply the last theory is the moon is an old small death planet
and alien put some spaceship on the other side to prepare to invade us
or the theory of all spectik is there is nothing there and its all ashes and the moon is only there telling us its time to sleep at night

if someone else come with another theory it will be well appreciated
the moon is for many more interesting then Mars
but love both planet and hope we can make some colonies on both planet
would be cool if there is some kind of a stargate to make everyone go there very fast DD im sure on Mars there is Air to breathe there to but this will be for another trend

This is an absolutely idiodic post. There is now way that the moon is artificial. The reason that the moon appears that it is the same size as the sun from earth is because of its size. Its size affects its distance from the earth. If it were any bigger or smaller it would appear to be the same size because its distance from us would be longer or shorter, respectively. I can bet that if you were to sit on the sun, theoretically, the Earth and one of the larger planets like Saturn or Jupiter would appear to be around the same size, because of distance from the sun. It is absolutley silly to think that it is some space station and the most probable reason for NASA not to have been there in a while would be because the moon is so damned boring! We know just about everything there is to know about the moon. I hope that you arent offended by my post in any way.

The above poster is misled and misinformed. All planets in this Universe including Earth as you presently see them are stellites and nothing more or less than satellites.

Originally posted by Celtic-Man
The above poster is misled and misinformed. All planets in this Universe including Earth as you presently see them are stellites and nothing more or less than satellites.

Not necessarily, there is speculation that planets could form without stars. "Rouge planets" (a very judgmental term. ) could form without stars if the gas/debris density is high enough for small bodies to form but not for stars to form. Discovery of confirmation pends.

However, I agree that any body orbiting a star (and not a star in its own right) would be a satellite.

reply to post by Exuberant1

Can you spell out your modifiable theory? I recall Zorgon posting earlier, but not you. I've had a brief dash through the thread and maybe missed them?

What you have presented us with is another example of someone trying to fit the data to the outdated theory he ascribes to and which he has based much of his career upon..

My career would surprise or appall you. I am not trying to fit data to a theory, outdated or otherwise. I'm pointing out that the Moon is only special to us. Other planets have moons that are locked and present the same faces. Tidal forces have visible and measurable influences on both planet and moon. I'm aware that the extract said 'may' as I avoid trying fit data to a theory Although widely accepted as probable, you are right to point out that we don't 'know' if Titan or Europa have oceans.

The point of this thread is to claim that the Moon is artificial. To my satisfaction, various contributors have shown the claim to be false. The Moon had been dated. It has been shown to be geologically active over 4 billion years ago. Evidence of such activity is there in the maria.

Apollo Missions have returned with over 800 pounds of rock and dirt. 6 missions have been and landed on the Moon. There are 200+ meteorites that originate from various Moon maria. At least one larger body has impacted the Moon and generated enough force to hurl rocks at escape velocity and large enough to land on Earth.

It is slowly moving away from the Earth at 2inches a year. We know this because the men that WALKED on the Moon left reflectors for just that reason.It's mass has been measured and conforms to the composition and volume of the Moon. The effects of the mass are measured here on Earth.

There is the geological record that shows erosion from tidal forces from the past. That discounts the idea that it was towed here recently. There is anthropological evidence that it was being observed by humans up to 35 000 years ago. That discounts the idea that it was towed here in the last 35 000 years.

Questions.

If aliens wanted to watch us why didn't they park up a mothership? If they wanted somewhere to live, why didn't they choose Earth? If they wanted to slowly gain control of us, why not do so when we were napping flints and running from short-nosed bears? If the Moon is meant to be artificial, why did they make so many more? There are scores of moons. If it's hollow, where does the mass come from? Where does the gravity come from? Why did they make a hollow Moon when they could have moved to Earth? If they can terraform or tug Moons around, why didn't they make it with atmosphere and live on the surface?

I regard the Moon as the natural outcome of the processes that create solar systems. It still has mysteries (TLPs for example). Based on the above, I'm not trying to fit anything to any theory. The facts above lend themselves to the impact theory being right in the creation of the Moon. The questions highlight why an 'artificial moon' is just the stuff of dreams and science fiction.

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