I think its starting now !!

I think its starting now !! Why well I purposely moved my family to a low crime , low population area to try and negate the effects of a collapse of society, especially in cities.
YET in the last few weeks we have had a surge in cattle rustling, sheep stealing, poaching, thefts of fuel from farm yard tanks (one lady murdered) cars having fuel lines cut and fuel syphoned off. Food shortages in the Coops and Spas, pet deer being killed and slaughtered for meat. Townies coming out to commit crimes around this area. various ethnic groups having a go at other ethnic groups. Gangs of unemployed young men wandering around the area getting into all sorts of scrapes.
The three local gas stations all are complaining about a huge increase in thefts of fuel, even a local long serving cop has just been arrested for selling guns !!!. More locals are buying yard dogs for perimeter security and vigilante patrols have restarted after a hiatus of 15 years. The local gun shop reports a huge increase in demand for shotgun ammo. recently there was fights in the local shops over foods that goods that were on offer, some folks for example tried to buy an entire shops supplies of fair trade coffee that was on special. I dont know what its like in the cities and towns but if its increasing the way it is out here in nowhere land I would be really worried. Once again I say to my colleagues who still live in cities PLEASE make the move now. Dont expect an instant or sudden catastrophic event to mark the start of the collapse the bloody thing is happening now and its like a cancer, slow and insidious creeping up on you.

i think you may be right, although where we are we have a while to go toworry to much, unemployment has not realy hit us here yet like everywhere else. Everyone is going on as life as usual.
So for now we are ok, that and the largest city is only 150k, I think we have a while to go yet before it gets bad here.. we have had some increase in crime, but nothing that is alarming yet.
When they flood the markets with gold and the printed cash and the dollar drops things will start to spiral. Then people will wake up, sadly it will be to late for most of them.

I agree....99% of the people are just going on like nothing is wrong. Even the ones I have shown black and white right in there face....and yet they think im nuts. I think its time to quit trying to convince the blind. They wont wake till something big happens.

This is a very worrying thing, OP. It is indeed one of the signs things are getting out of control.

When I was looking at vids from the G20 demonstration yesterday I was realising that if the protesters had been a bit more angry it could have turned into something really nasty. (I do support the right to protest by the way... and I can certainly feel the same anger)

It sometimes takes next to nothing to be the final push over the edge... It's almost feelable in the air, some kind of tension building up.Reminds me of the Scorpions song , Wind of Change.

"The world closing in
Did you ever think
That we could be so close,like brothers
The future's in the air
I can feel it everywhere
Blowing with the wind of change"

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I agree with that, it's better to concentrate right now on your own survival and that of the ones closest to you. (By survival I don't only mean life, but also mentally)

Just curious what part of the country do you live.........?

I've been out on a site-inspection as part of my 'internship' with a renewable enegy organisation, and the project manager told me that the take-up of the scheme running has far exceeded expected demand...more and more folk are getting freaked at the thought of this winter's gas/elec bills and are investing in solar and biomass installations.

The G20 added an extra alarm bell in that a hell of a lot of people are expecting someone else to sort out the financial mess they got themselves into, and the mood is starting to turn from sour to belligerent.

I have this creepy feeling that post-xmas period of 09/10 will become a repeat of the winter of discontent of 79

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Originally posted by Cloudsinthesky
Just curious what part of the country do you live.........?

Who ? me I'm in the North East of England

Originally posted by citizen smith
I've been out on a site-inspection as part of my 'internship' with a renewable enegy organisation, and the project manager told me that the take-up of the scheme running has far exceeded expected demand...more and more folk are getting freaked at the thought of this winter's gas/elec bills and are investing in solar and biomass installations.

Me to, I have just been taken on as a consultant to a major energy company that builds wind farms and power stations.

looks like things are about to get crazier in the US. here in southeast asia, theres no panic, no news about G20, no chemtrails, no panic buying, very little economic crisis. only jobs that were axed are from the industrial sector. we have no bailouts too (since were already poor i guess). i read the newspaper 2 days ago and says economic crisis might skip us this year, and on another article says the IMF is looking to influence us more since they have little control here.

I'm currently on the fringe of the suburbs and they keep building closer and closer. We are setting a record in Tulsa this year for bank robberies. A few banks are hit every week. I've never seen anything like it. Our economy in Oklahoma is a lot better than the rest of the nation we are just over 6% unemployment but it is increasing. I can't imagine what it's llike around Detroit.

I know I've been preparing with food and ammo for awhile but I will intensify my preparations in the coming weeks.

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hey man, sucks to be there. but just a thought, isnt this what the elitists wants? for us to riot, kill each other, and rob other people? frenzy enough so the government could enforce martial law? i suggest buy as much food as you can, take people in, in other words just form a group and try to help out others as much as you can.

ive been through martial law, its sickening. everyday is filled w/ fear, ridiculous curfews, cops breaking into your house doing all kinds of sh*t w/out any warrant.

back in early 80s during the martial law here, there was no internet, no cellphones, and few working telephones, controlled radio and tv. people who were planning coup de etats did it in basements. no guns or any weapons either. people might want to read this for more info...

en.wikipedia.org...

It started a long time ago. We are just now starting to see the effects.

The cities have been failing for awhile now, take a look at Flint Michigan, thats where they are headed. Was only a matter of time before the mess arrived at our doorstep in the boonies.

Where I am at we havent seen much of an increase in crime, maybe due to an armed society? But its coming. Unemployment, fuel prices, food prices, taxes, everything is rising and people are getting angry. Soon those on the fringes will resort to theft to feed their habits and thats how it all begins. Like watching a thunderstorm coming your way. You can see it, try to prepare for it, but there is no way to stop it from reaching you.

Take stock of where you are, who is around you, where your threats are and watch out for yourself.

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Another thing to consider, if you have invested in solar hardware, is to make sure it's theft-resistant. It's not something that has become a problem in the UK as yet, but has become so in the US, and will be a prime target for black-market resale considering that the average 50watt panel will cost around £300 and will have an equally high black-market re-sale value.

No signs of anything yet in Chicago. In fact, they had a big celebration yesterday for Chicago's bid for the next Olympics. However I do some work for the Port Authority and the only reflections I see of the economic woes are that 50% or more of boats/yachts which are owned will not be put inthe water this season due to costs. These are the millionares so that's telling.

Originally posted by citizen smith
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Another thing to consider, if you have invested in solar hardware, is to make sure it's theft-resistant. It's not something that has become a problem in the UK as yet, but has become so in the US, and will be a prime target for black-market resale considering that the average 50watt panel will cost around £300 and will have an equally high black-market re-sale value.

Bugger, I was planning that if a total collapse occured on snafffling the solar panels and batteries used to power the motorway signs around here

I suspect the majority of the crimes are being perpetrated by Townies looking for easy pickings. In less population dense areas it's much easier to strip resources without being spotted. The sheep rustling and deer killing I would suspect may be down to our Eastern European cousins. They are the usual suspects when it comes to illegal fishing (puts on cultural relativism hat) mainly because in their country it isn't an issue. Want wild food, go get wild food. Yes sheep aren't generally considered wild but you get the idea.

East London U.K. is a little microcosm also. Olympic works, City development and general redevelopment everywhere. There is definitely "tribal" conflict though. Not certain of the details as I keep my neb out but Somalis get mentioned a fair amount and there is always trouble with the more unsavoury characters, whether they be English, Polish, Russian, Asian etc. In fact roll open a map of the world and throw a dart, they probably live here.

Fact remains there is a slow malaise. I see it everyday. I measure it in direct correlation to my blood pressure. I must move out for my health, regardless of any other reason. This place is killing me and I will out as soon as is practically possible.

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You'd love Yorkshire...more hills than you can shake a stick at, small friendly communities, and the best beer in the world

Originally posted by Northern Raider
if a total collapse occured...

Look for rural cellphone base-stations (should be plenty up by you) as they'll have a back-up battery bank somewhere nearby

I've got 3 Fiamm deep-cycle 12v units that are designed for just that purpose and are built to take a battering

Originally posted by Nirgal This place is killing me and I will out as soon as is practically possible.

!!!!!!!!!!!, Prey tell me what will it take to get you going?, You must already grasp that most other survivalists across the UK would welcome you to their neighbourhoods,. I hope you are not going to be the little fat news room guy off INDEPENDANCE DAY who's last words after ignoring warning by Jeff Goldblum to get out was " Oh S41t...................."

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