Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

I've had this debate many times. Communism isn't the way. As a matter of fact centralization is NOT the way. We need decentralization and we can't go along like bumbling idiots throughout our evolution seeking comfort in old ideas. Communism is an old idea. Money and capitalism are old ideas.

We need something new. Something that will herald the period of enlightenment. A technocracy that follows the tenets of a Resource based economy.

People want radical ideas? Those are radical ideas.

exactly ... the schools have seriously failed and for a reason.. couple that with brain damaging fox news and you obviously see the product of this....... its very sad really but yes it is what they want... add to the mix flouride and its a very bleak future

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True communism involves the total decentralisation of power and the withering of the national state.

Power is given back to the people through the control of their own wealth generation.

They also have the ability to determine the future direction of their company, their community and their family through immediate voting and immediate recall of any representatives they put forward to a wider body.

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I agree communism isn't the way.. its good on paper but it never works... we do need something else.. I propose a system where basic human needs are met in every way..equal education, organic food,water,electricity,medical,emergecy services(not even an ambulance ride is free) and shelter.. a resource based system (no printing) and a direct democracy where every eligable man and woman are part of the goverment.. couple this with a judicial system comprised of only juries no judges.. and where warrants can only be issued by the juries not a judge.. what do you think?

Originally posted by Shredderbeam

Originally posted by count66
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If you truly believe in freedom then its your duty to allow others to have the same freedoms you enjoy.

If not then you believe in evolutionary politics where only the fit survive - this is akin to many fascist ideals

I believe in freedom from coercion, yes, but your redefinition is not freedom.

As an anarcho-capitalist/libertarian, I'd say I'm fairly far from fascism.

Conscientious Observer: Why would destroying the monetary system solve anything? It's just a means of exchange that makes life easier, you know.

Also, I meditate frequently, have done hallucinogenic "spiritual type" drugs, and so on. It's not that I haven't experienced other viewpoints - I have, I just find the to be logically flawed.

Is there any way to multi-quote posts, so that I can reply to multiple posts in just one of my own?

i never said destroy it but rather replace it with something less controllable like barter/sharing system.. maybe?? cuz honestly you can only have so much of what nature gives us rather than as much as you want(money) and still only have natures gifts. money is a mere creation of man and if people trully think that it is absolutely necessary then we are certainly doomed obviously the monetary system isnt working whether it be from a puppeteer or the natural flow of the system it isnt working and it either needs to be updated or difused

Classless, egalitarian societies are impossible - they can not be married with free will and property rights. If you believe that an adult human being, of sound mind and body, has a right to the safety of his or her physical body, and has a right to do with his or her life as he or she chooses (with the obvious exception of actions that endanger other human beings, etc.) then you believe in free will and property rights - even if only on this limited scale.

There is a fundamental difference between rights and equality. Take, for example, the right to earn a living. If you grant everyone an equal right to earn a living you have created a class society. That is because even with the same right, not every person has the same ability. Two people will not necessarily reap the exact same benefits with the same opportunities.

You have two possible solutions: you can either subsidize the person with the lesser abililties, or limit the benefits that the person with the greater abilities can reap. In both scenarios, you are penalizing merit and free will. You are limiting freedom. For that reason alone, I can not support communism.

The other thing - the common apology that communism has never been given a fair try, or that historic countries like the USSR weren't "true" communist nations, or (my personal favorite) that communism would work if people would give it a chance (or if people/govts/companies weren't so greedy...) is just pure rubbish.

Look, if your theory - whatever it is, be it political, philosophical, or what have you - if your theory does not work the way you expected it to in nature, I promise you it's because your theory is flawed, not nature.

That's my 2 cents, at least.

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This is the reason we need to rethink what property means to us. In a world of ceaseless abundance it is impossible to adhere to primitive notions of property.

We really have to start moving beyond this system. If we don't we will never cut the noose the elitists of the world put around our collective necks.

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Again I would say that true communism has never been given a chance.

Please read what Trotsky had to say - all democracy should be centered at the local level - at the individual level and not at the state level as when democracy is centered at the nation level it is open to abuse by those who have the money to do so.

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It still doesn't change the fact that so long as we have any one person making a decision anywhere without having all the facts you BUILD IN abuse. This is true of any current political system. Here watch this, it is an hour and a half long but well worth it:

Google Video Link

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Thanks - I will check it out tomorrow when I have some free time.

I'm open to any alternative solution that makes sense - I'm just tired of living in a world that is corrupt from the inside out, where people have more rights than others because they were born to the right family or in the right country (I include myself in this group) and where the world is raped and the vast majority of the population live below the poverty line.

The entire military spend of the US and China for one year alone could end world poverty according to UNESCO - never mind adding in the military spend of the rest of the world.

Its a travesty and its time all of us stood up and made our voices heard.

We are living in a madhouse.

[edit on 3-4-2009 by count66]

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I heard the Illuminati is in total control of all school text books. I'm hoping that isnt true but wouldnt be surprised.

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In Ireland the guy who set up the major educational publishing house which produced all school books when I was a kid turned out to be a former Nazi - so nothing in really surprises me anymore.

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Indeed. It is truly a revolutionary idea. Some of my hardcore capitalist friends are all for this just as much as my red friends. And it is no surprise to me either. We need to work with what comes naturally to humans, we need to be freed by the preoccupations of world monetary systems. They do nothing but enslave us.

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Wow! Now that one does surprise me, what's up with our leaders. Crazy!

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off coarse they are .... look at the mcgraw hill companies..... they have there hands into every aspect of our society!!
www.mcgraw-hill.com...

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its really amazing... a bank prints money and calls it that... then the people accept this as something of worth.. think about how crazy this system is!! perhaps when we were in the gold standard days it was more sane... but now they just print any number they want!!! its a big con ladies and gentleman and we are all falling for it

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This stuff gets me riled up!

Nice to see I'm not the only one thinking this. The PTB has no interest in the communist system, there's a reason we are taught it's evil in school.
Capitalism is the slavery we must resist. Star and flag, spread the message.

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If we take a mortgage for example - a bank loans you money and in most countries a bank is allowed to loan up to ten times the value of assets it actually holds.

Therefore a bank gives you money through a computer transaction which it doesn't actually have. 9/10 this money will go to the seller who will use this computer money to pay off their mortgage which was also magic money.

Then you pay your mortgage back with real money and if you can't keep up the repayments the bank repossesses your house - an actual asset for money that it lent you that never existed.

That is the world we live in - its insane.

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
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its really amazing... a bank prints money and calls it that... then the people accept this as something of worth.. think about how crazy this system is!! perhaps when we were in the gold standard days it was more sane... but now they just print any number they want!!! its a big con ladies and gentleman and we are all falling for it

As the video I posted above illustrates, a gold standard has many good merits, but it does not address the problem of the last 150 years. Technological Unemployment. The replacement of the person with the machine. Agriculture was handled by humans 100% until the industrial revolution. Today that number is 3 %. As a matter of fact every sector of the economy is being automated more and more as time goes along. The service sector has manage to absorb ALL of this loss to the tune of 83% of the US population being employed there. The problem is that this cannot be sustained, as technology is taking over in the service sector as well, and there are NO OTHER SECTORS that could be used to buffer these coming losses.