How insane will it get?

I have refrained from posting anywhere but the survival section of this board. Mostly because it is not about healthy debate, denying ignorance, or feeding the mind, more often than not it turns to trolling, baiting, name calling.

I just read about 10 pages of a post about militias. It started with someone asking where are the militias. Because of big government and the FEAR people have of it, I think the militias of our forefathers are gone. I think that if militias do arise, it will be the people that band together after any political sit-x happens.

Honestly I think it would be foolish to post on the web, make a flyer, etc. any intentions of forming that type of group. Those people will be the first on the lists when watching is no longer called for by TPB.

Reading the survival boards I notice that most of the "survivalists" have made preps to bug out or in. They have set up networks of people they trust. They have made preparations to take care of their familys.

I get the feeling and understand the sentiment that the rest of the world can be damned. Here in the US we are supposed to be a government of, by and for the people. I don't think this is any longer true. I see people everywhere that are not happy with the way things are. But all most want to do is complain.

Tea partys and such are a great start, but they just do not have the support. People are afraid to act, or really just don't care.

My question for you all is "How insane will it get?" By that I mean before actual changes for the better will occur. Do you think the tea bags in the mail will make a difference? Will the tax day tea partys do anything? Will there be rioting in the streets? Will states start seceding? Will those of us that have prepared dissapear and ignore the bleeting of the masses? Will there be a civil war?

What do you think?

Spiritowl

It will have to get one heckuva lot worse before anything real happens. Survivalists on the internet are just indulging in intellectual exercise and fantasy at this point. There is way too much bread, and there are way too many circuses to keep "the people" distracted. Things are still pretty good in most of the country- nowhere near bad enough to overcome social inertia. But once you take away the bread, or the circuses, or both, and it'll be on.

In some parts of the country, it's already on. Flint Michigan for example- it's Road Warrior time up there. Detroit's not far behind. The areas hardest hit will go first. It would take something pretty dramatic to destabilize New York or Washington.

As with anything major, especially social change, it will be one small act, something that seems inocuous that triggers the masses to mobilize. The whole straw that broke the camels back thing. It wont be taxes, or coruption, or the POTUS giving our greatest friend an iPod. It will be something we dont expect. The people will finally say enough is enough.

Will it be rioting, civil war, marches, who knows. No one can predict a mob mentality with so many ills imposed by the government upon them. Even the great leader of the UN is now stating that if the economic crisis continues the governments of the world are in danger. Then he proposes trillions of dollars for 3rd world nations. More proof the UN doesnt really have a clue.

I dont know what it will be. Higher milk prices, more unemployment, the extintion of honey bees, another useless war, but something is going to change and the masses will say enough and start to take their countries back. Look at the unrest that the G20 has caused, and they really havent done anything.

Its coming. I dont know when or how or where it will start. But the people are angry, and it wont be long before they stand up.

My personal guess is it will be the Brits. In the past few years they have had so much government regulation imposed upon them. Problems with national debt, immigration, taxes, etc... The populace of the UK is still strong, no matter what their leaders do. They will break ranks before the US does, too many pathetic sheep over here. But once one country stands up against the coruption, it wont be long before others follow.

The truth is people will never actually do anything. Its the same in every western country. People complain but are so dependent on society that they cant really do anything.

If I were an alien race controlling the Earth I would pretty much smile right about now. Human kind is largely completely domesticated as a species, running in the hamster wheel.


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My personal guess is it will be the Brits. In the past few years they have had so much government regulation imposed upon them. Problems with national debt, immigration, taxes, etc... The populace of the UK is still strong, no matter what their leaders do. They will break ranks before the US does, too many pathetic sheep over here. But once one country stands up against the coruption, it wont be long before others follow.

Dont think so Sal, this nation is pretty much washed up because people so easily sold up to the disease of socialism, so long as the govt keeps giving them benefits and promising better times the vast majority of sheeple in the UK give in every time. For example the riot police in london today charged with stopping the anarchists and hooligan elements of the protesters are taking LEGAL ADVISORS with them on the street to make sure anyone they stop, arrest or hit has instant legal advice on how to prosecute the police. The Average lower form of life known as the LABOUR VOTER just can not grasp that for every pound the government gives him in benefits, he is paying £10 in tax. For example only yesterday the govt put another .2 pence on a litre of fuel,right in the middle of the worst recession the world has seen for decades. the average Brit has been so brainwashed by the left that they believe every lie told to them by the govt " experts". The only hope we have is that this recession becomes so bad that the govt can no longer pay out the billions in dole to the parasite classes.

I think things will start to escalate soon. More and more people are starting to come to see the light that so many "radicals" have been spouting about for years. Right now the people are too well fed and taken care of. We have seen what is happening with the "Tea Parties". When these people see that this does little to influence the politicians and that they really do not represent the people then things will increase.

As more and more people start to take notice that we have been sold out, then we will start to see an escalation in different forms. Now we are seeing and increase in ammunition and gun sales. We have seen an increase in survival topics here st this board and it has turned from living closer to the earth, to surviving different types of scenarios.

Many people just do not know where to turn and others do not care. As we start to see limitations put on entitlements, from proposed drug screens to budget cuts, more of the underclass will start to act out violently. This will intern a harder crackdown from the PTB, and cause a ripple effect from the other people that are starting to feel the pinch.

When normally good, hard working people, try to use the system for help that is truly needed, and cannot get it then we will yet again another escalation. We are not far from it now. There appears to be no help for rising unemployment and the credit collapse that is following. People are losing there homes and cars at an ever alarming rate, and the monster is starting to feed on itself. These people do not know where to turn.

As economic indicators turn increasing to the worse, people too will begin to follow that lead. We no longer have the same work ethic and ingrained honesty of those that survived the Great Depression. And this too leads to a downward spiral.

It is now up to those of use that have prepared to work to educate those that did not prepare, whether from ignorance or dereliction, in the ways to recover, both personally and politically. Unfortunately, we may have to fight a coming New World Order both figuratively and literally.

Whether you believe that it is a true conspiricy or circumstance the time has come. If we, that is the true believers and practitioners of self reliant living, do not start to do more to educate others, then I feel we are truly in a bad situation that will only get worse.

God save the people.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

sorry for the rant

The whole world(in geological terms) is just one minor natural disaster from complete collapse. A small asteroid(not an earth killer) or super volcanic eruption would wipe out 2-3 billion in about 6 months-2years. The black plague wiped out half of Europe in about 5 years.

The gov't should be the least of your concerns. Buy/obtain several break action shotguns and about 500 shells. This will take care of 99% of your hunting and self defense needs, Learn how to make primer and powder mix and you can reload your shells and cartridges for many years to come. Learn how to make and use atl-atl's, bows and arrows, crossbows, airguns, and slings. A slingstone against an unprotected head is every bit as deadly as a bullet from a handgun. It tooks decades for armored Roman soldiers to subdue some of their enemies who used the sling as their sniper weapon.

Obtain some form of grain seeds or find a wild substitute that grows in your area of the world. You'd be absolutely shocked how many folks died within easy reach of a food source that they did recognize as such. Humans are omnivores, that means nuts, seeds aka grains, fish, shellfish, birds and eggs. I've read numerous tales of children striking out on their own surviving quite well for long periods of times simply because they didn't have their parents' food prejudices.

Preparation is the key to survival because chance favors the prepared mind.

Originally posted by salchanra
My personal guess is it will be the Brits. In the past few years they have had so much government regulation imposed upon them. Problems with national debt, immigration, taxes, etc... The populace of the UK is still strong, no matter what their leaders do. They will break ranks before the US does, too many pathetic sheep over here. But once one country stands up against the coruption, it wont be long before others follow.

Politics aside (not that I disgagree) I'm pretty much with NR on this one. We are soft. We don't care. Three square meals and a copy of Hello to rest on our legs while we're chowing down watching Corry or Eastenders or whatever MSM has decided to pour down our necks. That's all most Brits want these days.

Take this damn G20 protest lark for example. As I pottered around The City I overheard a conversation between a very well spoken elderly couple sporting "green" bicycles and three equally well spoken 20-somethings. They were generally discussing where some of the trouble appeared to be flaring up up etc. I didn't hear much as I was in my vehicle. The point is this:

Those protests were a combination of the government "approved" NGOs (Green movement, Brother Tony Robinson's fair pay for for workers et al.); those wishing economic balance and reform; and the more radical element, some of which decided to shy away from NVDA (Non-Violent Direct Action). There is total factionalisation, Balkanisation if-you-will. No common denominator, no unifying factor. For this reason they will balk and all for nought. Us Brits are just as neutered as the rest of Western society.

My rant over.

Originally posted by Nirgal

Politics aside (not that I disgagree) I'm pretty much with NR on this one. We are soft. We don't care. Three square meals and a copy of Hello to rest on our legs while we're chowing down watching Corry or Eastenders or whatever MSM has decided to pour down our necks. That's all most Brits want these days.

What happened to you guys? Between the UK and Spain, I dont know. Really came out of the gate, but falling fast.

So if it wont be the Brits, I dont see any group I can pinpoint that would start anything. I guess the governments have succeeded in beating the populances into submission.

But it will get worse. We will see more riots, more taxes on fictional money, less national borders. Eventually it will all dissolve into an us against them mentality, thats when things will get scary. There are alot of people whom like doing nothing and having a nanny state take care of them. These people are a lost cause, they will never stand up to anyone. But someone needs to work to support them. Those will be the ones. Over worked, over taxed, over regulated, all the while the governments continue to take more to help save the guy who wont get off of his couch.

From a survivalist point of view, all I can do is to take care of myself, keep learning, keep my stocks up, keep my gardens and my animals, be as self reliant as I can. When the world turns and there are bread lines, chaos, and whatever else we are in for, Ill be fine and happy not feeding into the system and not being part of it.

Originally posted by salchanra

Originally posted by Nirgal

Politics aside (not that I disgagree) I'm pretty much with NR on this one. We are soft. We don't care. Three square meals and a copy of Hello to rest on our legs while we're chowing down watching Corry or Eastenders or whatever MSM has decided to pour down our necks. That's all most Brits want these days.

What happened to you guys? Between the UK and Spain, I dont know. Really came out of the gate, but falling fast.

Oh that is easy we became soft, decadent and adopted socialist policies. Just look back at all the Great Empires they all went the same way, usually died from within. Rome, Greece, Persia, Russian, British etc the more "" Civilised" they became the more " Socialist" they became, and any society that has socialism is F*****d. Why , because over time you always find more and more people wanting to claim their benefits, take from the communal pot, be part of the state system. Which in turn always ends up with less and less people making goods, creating wealth, paying taxes etc. This goes on until the nation is bankrupt like most of the western world is at the moment. And of course those same cultures and societies as they get ever more civilised become ever more tolerant and inclusive which in the real world means more immoral and perverse.
Now in the UK you find the state providing lawyers for anarchists who are rioting, to ensure their rights are not infringed.
We have a few dozen illegal immigrants from south africa who are all HIV plus, they turned up in London and claimed asylum, along with their families. These illegal immigrants who number less than 60 have cost the tax payer over £100 million pounds in housing, schooling, food, clothing and ultra expensive health care to which they have not contributed a penny. We have nearly 2 million muslims in the UK the vast overwhelming majority will not integrate in any way, large numbers of them hate Britain and western society. We have families who are three generations strong who all smoke, drink and have satelite TV, none of whom have ever worked a day. We have asylum seekers arriving with multiple wives and dozens of kids demanding and recieving free houses, one recent case they were given a privately rented house that was costing the tax payer £6000 a month in rent. We have homosexuals demanding the right to have gay sex in public places, if hetros were at it they would get arrested for public indecency, but because " Cottaging" is part of homosexual culture they are demanding the right to bugger each other in public parks.
We have cases of unemployed families who have tragically got a child who has no brain activity, its clinically dead, but the patrents who have bnever worked demand the child is kep alive in hospital, which is costing £30,000 a week to the tax payer. We have families with disabled kids again the parents dont work. They demand and recive priority public housing, then they demand and recieve the houses and modified and equipped for disabled living, all at public expense.... Fair enough you say... But then they decided they want to move and deman another house and thousands more spent altering the new house , after only living in the first one a few months. We have families who get that much in benefits they can afford multiple foriegn holidays each year. Thats modern Britain, thats socialism.

NR should run for parliament, certainly gets my vote

Second line

Rgds

I must ask, why would there be a civil war? Who are we fighting? And since when was war so civil? There is not much of a national segregation between the populous, we are seeing a seperation between the government itself and the people it is there to serve.

Anyways, if your looking to find someone responsible for all this drama, just blame Osamaddamadolf Bin Cheneybush.

Originally posted by Dark Vengeance
NR should run for parliament, certainly gets my vote

Second line

Rgds

Dunno of thats an insult or compliment ???, I hate our politicians with a passion, of the 640 MPs I reckon at the absolute least 630 of them are corrupt, immoral, liars, cheats, fraudsters and completely without honour.
Certainly a large amount of them are actually Traitors and War criminals for lying to both Parliament and the people about WMD and Iraq. I would not urinate on any of them if they were on fire, and i certainly would not want to work with such scum.

Originally posted by raj9721
I must ask, why would there be a civil war? Who are we fighting? And since when was war so civil? There is not much of a national segregation between the populous, we are seeing a seperation between the government itself and the people it is there to serve.

Because fear breeds fear. every time in American history that there has been civil unrest and major economic problems affecting the US, Its leaders have always managed to find an outside source to blaim.

Brits, Mexicans, Spanish, Indians, Canadians, Nazis, Russians, North Koreans, Vietnamese, Arabs, Chinese , Blacks, Catholics, Irish, Hispanics, Bankers, Saddam Quaddafi, Noriega etc etc etc. But slowly and finally the American people are begining to realise there own worst enemy is themselves. They have tried blaiming everything and everyone else for decades and nothing changed. So now they turn upon themselves. They still want big house, cheap cloths, beautiful highways, top not military, abundant food, good wages etc, but they still object to paying anything more than the minimul taxation. Its just America going the same route as all the other over developed nations andf empires in history. Man may come and go but Earth Abides

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Deffo compliment Our poor nation has been bled dry. We are no where near the Great Country we used to be, and that saddens me most.

Rgds

OH MY GOD, just annouced on Sky TV, The death of western morality has finally happed.

If you as good men and women still harboured thoughts that our western governments supported good versus evil, right versus wrong, Equality and respect for all you are sadly mistaken.

In Afghanistan today with the full support of the allied governments headed up by the US and UK, the Afghan government has just passed a law .

This law set in place with the consent of our governments allows two things
1 It gives Afghan men the legal right to RAPE their wives
2 it give Afghan men the legal right to physically assault and prevent the females in their family from setting foot outside their homes without permission. IE The west has just given the afghans the right to turn their women into chattels and slaves.

This simply reaffirms my belief that the collapse of society is well underway and we should be advancing our survival preps as fast as we can. How long before Obama and Brown allow Muslims in the west to rape their women legally, how long before they allow 50 year old men to marry preteens in the US and UK. If our leaders can condone this then we are truly on the road to hell.

Originally posted by Northern Raider
I would not urinate on any of them if they were on fire, and i certainly would not want to work with such scum.

Dont hold back now NR, tell us how you really feel about your elected officials.

Ive run for public office before, when I was very young and got pulverised. Thinking about doing it again, and maybe winning this time. It is no place for good men to stand ranting against the machine and not attempt to kill the beast from within.

Maybe thats the way to curtail the coming storm. We need more people with values and morals to step out from the shadows and start taking office. A voice in the wilderness is just that, a voice in Congress or Parliment may actually be heard.

Nice news about the Afganis. Good to know leaders in the US, such as Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, et. al. continue to coddle to these beliefs and ideas, all the while other women in those cultures are treated worse than cattle.

The hills are looking better and better.

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Do not know about that, but your right about the scum trying to break down all that is in society.

I wonder will people even notice?

Originally posted by salchanra

Originally posted by Northern Raider
I would not urinate on any of them if they were on fire, and i certainly would not want to work with such scum.

Dont hold back now NR, tell us how you really feel about your elected officials.

Ive run for public office before, when I was very young and got pulverised. Thinking about doing it again, and maybe winning this time. It is no place for good men to stand ranting against the machine and not attempt to kill the beast from within.

Maybe thats the way to curtail the coming storm. We need more people with values and morals to step out from the shadows and start taking office. A voice in the wilderness is just that, a voice in Congress or Parliment may actually be heard.

Nice news about the Afganis. Good to know leaders in the US, such as Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, et. al. continue to coddle to these beliefs and ideas, all the while other women in those cultures are treated worse than cattle.

The hills are looking better and better.

So long as politicians can make a career out of politics and walk into directorships and consultancies afterwards then the system is doomed. Politicians in a true democracy should only recieve their out of pocket expenses and their former jobs should be held open for them. they should only be allowed to stand for a miximum of two terms in office. they should be banned from taking directorships and consultancies for ten years after leaving office. Thats the only way we can stop the rot.

There are no honest politicians, only ones that have not been bought out yet, or caught out yet.
NR

Originally posted by salchanra

Originally posted by Northern Raider
I would not urinate on any of them if they were on fire, and i certainly would not want to work with such scum.

Dont hold back now NR, tell us how you really feel about your elected officials.

Dont quite remember any Brits voting for Bush or Obama yet we are obeying their orders, and no living briton voted for Gordon Brown who simply walked into the job on the back of a load of lies and broken promises.