Everyone, take a look at Roman Catholic Church's history. We all have been lied to for a very,very

Everyone, take a look at Roman Catholic Church's history. We all have been lied to for a very,very long time. Way before the r.c.c. called themselves that.

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part one using google video(the biblical answer) does not work. but part two(the historical answer)does work. just type in,"the roman empire rules today"

the second link is to david icke-freedom or fascism
he has another called,''the turning of the tide"

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there are two kinds of religion, folks. one religion for the few in charge and many religions for the masses.
we are being spiritually suppressed and soon to be physically suppressed(monsanto, codex alimentarius). the roman catholic church hides behind religion that they made up, a web of secret societies, and governmental agencies.

they made up all of them long before they reinvented themselves as the roman catholic church while expanding territory using different types of relgion to experiment in order to see what works best. by the time they called themselves the r.c.c., they had religious control down to a science. they evolve as time goes by , changing names and faces but still the same bloodlines and universal religion is in charge.
all business models for everything is the shape of the pyramid. at the top, you have knowledge, the most power and money, and the fewest people"in the know". at the bottom, you have ignorance (the masses). all is kept seemingly unconnected from one anothers businesses and organizations through compartmentalization. for each pyramid model for every secret society and governmental organization, only the highest at the top of the pyramid know the true purpose of thier particular business or organization. its like "need to know basis" and trust, plus your bloodline usually has to be from the black nobility or charlemagne.
this is what we are all up against and if you look at history, people usually didn''t fair too well against the roman catholic church. ends in lots of death.

once your on to thier game, predicting their next move is childs play.


an excellent book to read""""vatican assassins"""""


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agreed christianity is a elaborate serries of manipulated morals with perpitrators seeking to take advantage of the unitty. if you want to be a christian its best to do so in your own house because all churches are courupted you have innocent preachers but no inocent religoins mutch like law abiding citazens with corrupted govenments. the one who enforces law doesnt follow them.

You are focusing on the literal only, rather than the understanding.

Such a discussion is like arguing over if the matrix movie is real or not. Fine, have at it. Argue and debate with those who say it's literally real about how it is not literally real. Devote your life to a "side" if you like. We can argue back and forth, and we can point out the bad things and evils each side has done "in the name of their side".

But oddly enough, if you were to take a peak at what Jesus and the bible says, you would find that all the evil things you point out on both those literal sides will be warned against, will be told will happen, will be told how not to do it.

Who do you think this is referring to?

Matthew 7

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

iniquity means sin. Meaning, they do it by breaking commandments. So, look around you. Who is it that you see doing many things in the name of god/Jesus and religion, but are actually sins? Like, killing people, manipulating them and so forth?

As such, if Jesus and the bible directly warns about these things, how can one logically attribute those actions to what the bible says? Because they are able to spit a few verses to you out of context and as you have no understanding are stuck only with their claims to argue against?

If the bible was actually telling those people to do those things, then I guess I could see your point. But it doesn't, it says the opposite and warns against them.

It would be like me saying - well freedom is wrong and sucks, just like at what GWB did in the name of it! That of course would be ignorant.

So you can argue back and forth about the literal if you want, but I think I'd rather focus on the understanding.

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The book is tripe.

If you are the type to look for anti-Catholic propaganda, there are better sources for it than Eric Phelps.

Did it rain on your BBQ? Jesuits did it.

Stub your toe in the living room? Catholics.

Wiping out the dinosaurs? Vatican Assassins.

Seriously, the man quotes himself as a source (when he offers any sources).

There is a hierarchy of anti-Catholicism. At the top are reasoned historians and theologians offering reasoned and learned debate. At the bottom is Jack Chick. Phelps is barely a step above Chick.

Eric

BTW, there is an extensive thread about Phelps theories regarding the Catholic Church already on ATS found here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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in order to get peoples attention, you have to talk about stuff that they can relate with. people like structure and patterns. you can't talk about blood drinking, shape shifting, reptilian world leaders. that is just rediculous to the average person and you will loose them immediately even if you have the answers to why the world is the way it is and who controls what and makes thing happen to further their agendas.

you have to talk about stuff the average joe can grasp. their is no understanding when you are being spiritually suppressed and told what to think. whether you know it or not, just by having senses, you are vulnerable to outside influence until you fully understand what control really is , physically, mentally, and spiritually.

most people go through thier whole lives not even knowing they have been limited in thier thoughts. all it takes is noise going into your ears and images going into your eyes. its that simple and easy. anyone can control anyone else pretty easily.

religion is used to control people to self goveren and police eachother. lessens the need to instill fear by the sword and gun. period. end of story.

you see all types of cults and religions, some more successful than others, because the founders figured out something that most people do not. they saw how religion is a perfect way to manipulate the one true universal god and make thier own version of god using either love or a fear based doctrine. take a look at the mormons. the founders of mormonism saw how successful the catholic church was with thier versions of god, so they took what they liked from the bible and wrote their own version.

and on and on. the cycle continues of the few controlling the weak minded masses.

im sick and tired of being saturated with unwanted input from everyday life. i don't care about talking about other peoples lives. i just want to know why people are so stupid and haven't caught on yet that the roman catholic church is pulling the strings on all world events using expionage, sabatoge, and spying techniques that they have learned over thousands of years killing ruthlessly along the way to keep the masses under their control.

im tired of people blaming the presidents and our representatives. everything is a distraction including this.

This is a sad day for humanity, this post is all lies......

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I'm sorry, you think I'm a christian? I am certainly NOT. Christians worship the idol of Jesus, they have no understanding and they are manipulated.

I'm well aware of what the RCC does and has done, and I point it out often.

However, you are only focusing on what "they" do, rather than the understanding that Jesus provides. If you understood Jesus, then you wouldn't be in a physical church or none of those things.

What you fail to realize is Jesus actually warns about all those things.

What you do is no different than using GWB as an example of the founding fathers, or what freedom is about and so forth. Just because someone claims to be of or about something doesn't mean they are. What does tell the truth is their fruits and actions.

If I took up and said I was all about your beliefs and then started doing bad things in your name, would what I did actually be a reflection of you? Would it be fair if people judged you based on my evil actions and so forth? No. But that is what you do with Jesus when you use the actions of those people as being a reflection of him.

There are 2 kinds of close minded people in this world. Those who believe, and those who don't. Why? Because their knowledge is still based off accepting what people say rather than understanding.

You have allowed "them" to define the topic for you. For or against it, doesn't matter. You have accepted what "they" say and do as what you base your opinion on, rather than actual understanding.