This is WHY Humans Can't see the Truth...

A lot of you people consider yourself open minded, but almost 99% of you are lying to yourselves.

People "claim" that they are ready to see the truth, but fail to see it to begin with because of their skepticism.

I presented probably one of the BEST threads here in a while:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's about opening portals and making contact with spirits. I included the manuscripts for free, so that you can try it out for yourselves.

Yet, over 95% of the people who posted in the 250 plus replies were accusing me of being a liar, scammer, fraud, gullible, etc.

I can bet 100% that NONE of those people even downloaded the manuscripts and took a look at it.

Why? Because they don't want to see or know the truth.

Many people believe in the New World Order, Illuminati, aliens, etc. yet when the topic of interdimensional entities comes up they quickly dismiss it as a load of crap.

Why is that?

Ask yourself that question.

I show you the manuscripts to do what I "claimed" (many people said) to do, yet, people don't even look at the factual evidence.

Most of you are not ready for the truth, and time is running out.

We only have a few more years, IF even that, to figure out what's going on, or we all will suffer from a VERY bad misfortune.

I can feel it coming, and it's VERY bad.

I have a bad feeling about what's going to happen and come, but it's really discouraging seeing my fellow man be so stubborn and not open minded for ONE second to hear me out and listen to what I have to say.

The Devil's chains are coming off...and time is running out.

The entities DO exist. They branch off from either the Devil or God.

You can see and hear these entities through 3 different methods.

[SNIP]

2)Meditating and relaxing exercises

3)Doing specific rituals and saying specific phrases which open up communication.

2012 is the end of time, but that's a different discussion.

It has come time for man to wake up and see his true potential.

The point of this thread is to see if anyone else is having bad feeling or thoughts lately about what's happening all around us.

We need to be enlightened and spirits can help us do that IF you contact the RIGHT spirits.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by bobbylove321]

[edit on 31-3-2009 by bobbylove321]

Mod Edit: Removed drug reference.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by Gemwolf]

I have to disagree, in that I feel it was most definitively NOT one of the best threads posted here in awhile.....of course that is purely a matter of opinion, and subject to ones' own ideals and perspective.
To me, it IS a very interesting topic that you posted about....I just had a problem with the way in which you presented it. You originally came out and made this claim that you could open portals, with no actual evidence or links to back it up. Glad to hear that you made this manuscript available to everybody though. Apologies for flaming you originally, I would just suggest that in the future you make whatever evidence or links you may have available in your original or secondary post.
I've read about many different methods to open what you call a "portal", or what i've more commonly heard termed a "circle". It's really all the same thing though. Myself and my ex-g/f in high school were huge into Wicca/Paganism, and many times we would meet with a couple of our friends and open a circle in an attempt to commune with spirits. We definitely got some odd feelings and some very strange reactions with crystals and divining rods, but we kind of let it go after awhile because we used a ouija board one time....Frightening experience!

You should not make a post to whine about another of your posts.

Or else you look like an immature child. This thread should be closed.

You link was a bit fishy if you ask me.
Regarding the "what I did" rant,
What's your point?

You are correct, we do all need to wake up and smell the collective coffee. But I think that we should spend more time working to for the betterment of a collective living society, as opposed to the occult. I do, however, believe that there are forces at work there and should be respected as such. I still think though that we should work for the betterment of everyday life first, albeit it is getting rather urgent.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
A lot of you people consider yourself open minded, but almost 99% of you are lying to yourselves.

People "claim" that they are ready to see the truth, but fail to see it to begin with because of their skepticism.

I presented probably one of the BEST threads here in a while:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's about opening portals and making contact with spirits. I included the manuscripts for free, so that you can try it out for yourselves.

Yet, over 95% of the people who posted in the 250 plus replies were accusing me of being a liar, scammer, fraud, gullible, etc.

I can bet 100% that NONE of those people even downloaded the manuscripts and took a look at it.

Why? Because they don't want to see or know the truth.

Many people believe in the New World Order, Illuminati, aliens, etc. yet when the topic of interdimensional entities comes up they quickly dismiss it as a load of crap.

Why is that?

The reason it was dismissed is because you had not actually followed through with the full experiment for what of a word to call it.

For me personally though, it was your motives that put me off.

Why anyone would want to use entities to get a date is pretty shallow if it is possible.

Seems to me you would prefer a lie of a life and you have the cheek to call ATS members ignorant.

No, you do not need anything external to be awakened and enlightened, thats actually a recipe for complete disaster in every way imaginable.

I don't have much more to add to this thread at the moment because my attention is focused on an interview currently. I will respond further after my meditations.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
You can see and hear these entities through 3 different methods.

[SNIP]

2)Meditating and relaxing exercises

3)Doing specific rituals and saying specific phrases which open up communication.

2012 is the end of time, but that's a different discussion.

It has come time for man to wake up and see his true potential.

The point of this thread is to see if anyone else is having bad feeling or thoughts lately about what's happening all around us.

We need to be enlightened and spirits can help us do that IF you contact the RIGHT spirits.

Most spirits I've encountered are crackpots in ectoplasmic bodies.

If they come in a brilliant white, spotless form, speaking in a light and pleasing tone, telling you that you will 'usher in a new era..' - that is just one example..

Doesn't always mean they are the RIGHT spirits Spirits are ridiculously smart, they don't appear to you carrying a trident, wearing a red spandex, a horn and tail, a croaking voice and expect you to believe what they say, they aren't that stupid..

And you can't expect to summon the good spirits with meditation, rituals, and uttering specific phrases. More likely you'll summon the bad ones.

All you need to have is a pure heart, the right motives, and a prayer.

reply to post by Johnmike


This is not a post to whine about the other post.

This is a post explaining how people are really close minded, but they lie to themselves.

It's a very important thread because it actually SHOWS how people are misguided and are too quick to dismiss things.

this is a thread about another thread?

i dont want to get banned for this but aint it point farming? i thought it would be better to just add to the other thread he made?

bit confused on the ATS rules here ???

do i comment on the other thread or do i agree that this is about the other one then agree with the other one in this one?

omg i think im turning into donald rummsy

just wanted to add the topic is missleading.. i think anways as its only your opinion and your using people who dont agree as ur basis for "truth".. ?

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reply to post by Asmus


You do need to do something external to be awakened. This doesn't necessarily mean contacting spirits or doing drugs, but meditation and faith ARE requirements of enlightenment.

If not, then what do you suggest?

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


It's not a thread about the other thread.

I'm just using the other thread as an example to prove a point because I was showing people something that they can easily do themselves, and they still dismissed it as hog wash.

reply to post by bobbylove321


So, are you enlightened?

Because if you are and this is how an enlightened individual acts, well I'll stay indarkened thanks.

I like my sanity.



[edit on 31-3-2009 by Chadwickus]

Didn't you get enough stars and flags with the other thread, BobbyLove? It's hard for me not to interpret this thread as a chance to milk a few more more points out of a thread that's running to the end of its natural course.

Couldn't you download a manuscript to rack-up some extra points? After all, it's as superficial and shallow as using magic to "get a girl".

Also, am I the only one who sees "this is why humans can't see the truth" as being uncomfortably similar to the "this is why we can't have nice things" 4chan /b/ meme?

As your actual claim in this thread, I actually think that you, and a lot of others like you, are actually closing as many minds as you are claiming to try and open. Seriously, over the years I've lurked and posted on this board, I'm actually become increasingly cynical because of the dubiousness of a lot of the claims as well as the out-and-out trolling. I've literally several hundred UFO-related books (physical ones on shelves, not downloads) but hoaxing over the last few years has practically killed off any interest I once had on the subject.

Similarly, a lot of my interest in the occult and a lot of folklore has been killed off by similarly bogus posts that owe far more to a post-Buffy pop-culture than anything before Buffy et al. The same goes for ghosts &c in a post-Most Haunted world.

Ironically, it's people like you that are responsible - in my case - for the things you're actually complaining about.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by Merriman Weir]

reply to post by bobbylove321


I can understand that but would it not be just better to continue the other thread? instead of making another one to prove a point only you care about?

what i mean is the other thread has lots of pages people could make there own mind up if its hogwash or not.. i dont think it requires you to make another thread to prove urself right in relation to what you said..

as i came to this thread thinking it was interesting only to find out its about another thread with nothing to add other than " look i made a thread im right and people are closed minded"

could that argument not just be made inside the ongoing thread? all i can see happening here is arguments based on the same evidence "lack of some will say" you presented that made you make this one?

I think im more confused now than i was befor... going to stay out of this one i think..

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


The other thread is about portals, entities, and spirits.

This thread is about WHY people are close minded, but yet they claim to be open minded.

Open minded people are those who look at the facts, stories, theories, etc. present and think that it CAN be possible because after all ANYTHING is possible. This is an open minded person.

Also, people demand proof, but then don't even look at what's presented to them, so how is that open minded?

Originally posted by bobbylove321
reply to post by symmetricAvenger

 

It's not a thread about the other thread.

I'm just using the other thread as an example to prove a point because I was showing people something that they can easily do themselves, and they still dismissed it as hog wash.

That's where it got wrong. Most people are conformed to this world. The path to enlightenment is pursuing a life not conforming to this world.

For most people it's going to be a very difficult journey, but not impossible. The quest for truth isn't easy. It might if you have lived such life since birth. But for most, if it's easy, then it's highly doubtable it yields the truth. Such marvelous gift cannot be had with just an hour or a day of rituals, etc. It's a lifelong commitment and you'll never predict when it will come to you.

Originally posted by bobbylove321

I presented probably one of the BEST threads here in a while:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wow, don't you think you are blowing your own horn a bit there?

I think a large portion of ATS would call that "probably one of the BEST Troll efforts on ATS in a while"

I am a very open minded person but that does not mean I am going to try every single thing that people tell me to try.

There is a fine line between "Open Minded" and "Gullibale". You can't go about generalizing about "99% of people" so carelessly like that.

reply to post by Nick_X


I'm not talking about the people that don't try everything, etc.

I'm talking about the people who immediately poke fun, ridicule, and call the op of the thread a liar, and they call themselves open minded. THOSE people are just as ignorant as the average joe and that is the sad part.

Originally posted by bobbylove321
I'm not talking about the people that don't try everything, etc.

I'm talking about the people who immediately poke fun, ridicule, and call the op of the thread a liar, and they call themselves open minded. THOSE people are just as ignorant as the average joe and that is the sad part.

Forget about that but I have to warn you that many spirits can pretend to be good.

If I will choose the path to enlightenment I'll treat your method as a last ditch option... Invoking spirits even if your motives are right isn't exactly a wise thing to do, and certainly not to be toyed with. It's like playing with fire.