Islamic Law's Influence in America a Growing Concern

reply to post by DJones

respect their rights and live your own life.

Say this to a radical Muslim and see how much Respect you will receive in return.

reply to post by biomehanika


I wouldn't call them extremists just people who are defending their livelihoods. If America was being threatened you can bet average men would pick up arms, doesn't make them extremists though.

Originally posted by DJones

Nicely said I personally can't figure out whats to complain about here? They don't want to work on their religious holidays like every other person and where their numbers are high enough such things as foot baths can be put in.

Complaining about that directly goes against what America supposedly stands for ie freedom of religion. Either you can hate every single arab/muslim for no logical reason or you can respect their rights and live your own life.

Except that there are groups of Muslims who are extremists and only want to cause harm and chaos against others.

It is nonsense to claim, like you did, that either you hate them all, or leave them all in peace when a growing number of Muslims extremists are allocating to the states with the goal of causing chaos.

Perhaps you should watch the following videos, and the one I gave before you keep claiming all Muslims must be left alone.

Extremist Muslims are like Extremist White racists who want to kill anyone of different color, except that the extremist Muslims want to do it in the name of their extremist religious ideology.

Children of Hamas

Palestinian girl: Hamas responsible for war

That is not happening just in Palestine, and Israel, but also all over the world, and they are growing in numbers in the west.

That Palestinian girl is a good Muslim. Many good Muslims have been tortured and killed by Islamic Extremists, so please inform yourself and realize that there is a difference between the good Muslims, and the Muslim Extremists....

This article isn't about radical Muslims, this article is about average Muslims living in America who are just following their religion. Who are you to say whether they should work on holidays, fast when they please, respect their god in their own way. It's hypocritical and goes against the constitution.

Originally posted by DJones

I wouldn't call them extremists just people who are defending their livelihoods. If America was being threatened you can bet average men would pick up arms, doesn't make them extremists though.

Obviously you are not well informed on this topic.

Islamic extremists kill good Muslim for being moderates, and Islamic Extremists want to propagate their religious ideology worldwide...

Do yourself a favour and inform yourself some more on this issue.

Not everyone in the world wants to hold hands and give you flowers.

watch the video on that link, and you will see that Islamic Extremists are not like Moderate Muslims, and will kill moderate Muslims and non-Muslims alike if they are able just because good people will not join their ranks.

www.bangladeshihindu.com...

Originally posted by DJones
reply to post by biomehanika

 

I wouldn't call them extremists just people who are defending their livelihoods. If America was being threatened you can bet average men would pick up arms, doesn't make them extremists though.

Agree with you on that point. But you have to be very careful. I lived amongst Muslims long enough to know their way of thinking. What do you think happens in some of the Mosques? Do you think they only prey? No. Many Mosques are just tools for propaganda. The only teaching they get from their Mawlāna is hatred towards non Muslims.

Originally posted by DJones
This article isn't about radical Muslims, this article is about average Muslims living in America who are just following their religion. Who are you to say whether they should work on holidays, fast when they please, respect their god in their own way. It's hypocritical and goes against the constitution.

..... Do you have any idea whatsoever what Sharia law is?....

Under Sharia law Muslim extremists can torture, and kill their wives if the husbands think they have been adulterous, or even if the husband claims the wife looked at another man in lust...



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Of course there is also the "Honor killings' under Shariah law.

Under this honor code a Muslim man can pour acid over his daughter, or wife, they can cut the faces of their wives, and daughters if for any motive the daughter or wife dishonors the family, which could be going outside without a Hijab (Muslim Veil), or if the daughter decides to marry, or be the girlfriend of a westerner, or any of the other nonsensical, and horrendous codes of Shariah law.

Here is a link with some videos about Honor killings under Shariah law... please do inform yourself...

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reply to post by DJones


Nobody is saying they should not be allowed to practice their religion. Practicing your religion and implementing it as a law is different.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I am fully aware that there are extremists in the world, never denied that. My point was that the Muslims IN THIS article are ones trying to find their place in America. Every time America acts like an ignorant jackass in both domestic and foreign policy their numbers can only grow. When America complains about them willing to work on our holidays in exchange for their days off and being against giving them foot baths makes America look like ignorant jackasses. You can't bomb them into submission, you can't kill them all, as long as we don't accept each others beliefs this jihad won't stop.

Originally posted by cognoscente
As a Republic immigrants should be expected to adopt American values without exception. Multiculturalism is overly democratic and ultimately destructive.

i agree with you, even as a liberal, i find the notion of immigrants trying to keep and promote their culture in america opposite of the reason they come to live here. if they do not like our way of living and interacting with each other, then they should leave. i do not live in america so that i can live like a chinese, mexican, indian, russian, or middle eastern person. and if i moved to a foreign country, i would work to intergrate into that society everyday, and not try and impose my culture upon the native people. i have seen here in california where mexican people have come here legally, and lived for decades without learning english, always getting bi-lingual people to interpret for them, as if america owes them that. i know this sounds harsh, but i'm tired of walking into a business here in america, and i can't understand what the people in that store are saying. i am not here to serve them, or to say i'm sorry because i can't understand what they are saying. nowdays, i just take my money and walk out.

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Under Shariah law a Muslim woman is considered to be adulterous if she stands too close to another man.

Watch the videos of that last link I gave, and maybe you will begin to understand what Sharia law really is...

reply to post by DJones


Obviously you are not fully aware...

Shariah law is not only about being able not to work on Muslim Holidays...

There is a lot more to Shariah law than that, if Sharia law is allowed in the States, then ALL of the codes and rules of Sharia law can be used by Muslim extremists....

Shariah law in itself is Islamic Extremism. Allowing Sharia Law, is allowing Islamic Extremism to grow in our soil.

BTW, obviously you do not even want to take a look at any of those videos, since you are responding way too fast without looking at any evidence of what Sharia Law really is.

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Originally posted by DJones
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

I am fully aware that there are extremists in the world, never denied that. My point was that the Muslims IN THIS article are ones trying to find their place in America. Every time America acts like an ignorant jackass in both domestic and foreign policy their numbers can only grow. When America complains about them willing to work on our holidays in exchange for their days off and being against giving them foot baths makes America look like ignorant jackasses. You can't bomb them into submission, you can't kill them all, as long as we don't accept each others beliefs this jihad won't stop.

If as you say those Muslim wants to find their place in America then they should embrace the American values and ways ( I am not saying they should stop practicing their religion) When someone comes in your house you expect that person to behave or act in a way which is compatible with your values; you will not expect that person to make his own rules in your house.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Comments coming quick,
yes I know what it is, not an expert just took a couple classes and read a couple books on it, so whatever that makes me.

I don't think this topic is whether or not their law should replace yours in entirety, the author might of spun it like that but I don't think its the case. I think they just want to be respected, the way Jews are offered Kosher meals and their lifestyle is respected.

So yes if that's the way you read into this story I agree with you, they should not be exempt from any criminal laws. I don't remember if Rastafarians are allowed to smoke weed in America but that would be a similar situation. If it's law for one person, should be law for all.

Originally posted by DJones
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So yes if that's the way you read into this story I agree with you, they should not be exempt from any criminal laws. I don't remember if Rastafarians are allowed to smoke weed in America but that would be a similar situation. If it's law for one person, should be law for all.

Excuse me? rastafarians smoking weed is similar to allowing Shariah law in which women can be tortured and killed just if their husbands think they looked at another man in lust, or if a woman is seen too close to another man?...

Shariah Law is a great part of the extremist side of Islam.

Muslims can live, and worship anyway they want without Shariah law.

Originally posted by biomehanika
You’ve got it all wrong. There is a growing extremism amongst them...

The US launching of missiles in Pakistan tribal region killing many innocent people is forcing many not just in Pakistan but Muslims in other countries to become extremists. War is certainly no the solution to this.

Whom, are you referring to by 'them'?

Yes, it is understandable that there is outrage in Pakistan. Who wouldn't be growing more and more angry to a home invader?

Look, I do believe that there are extremists, Islamic extremists, call it what you will. And these are usually tribal warlords, who have nothing to do with Islam.

But there are innocent people getting killed. And this is the source of the outrage over there.

However, the topic of this thread is not about Pakistan, and why people over there might be outraged.

The topic is the influence of Muslims in America.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Muslims have near no power in America.

Sharia Law will never be applied to America, regardless of what people say about U.K and whatnot. The U.K have only begun to have certain banks, Islamic banks.. and they are almost the same thing as regular banks anyways.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Under Shariah law a Muslim woman is considered to be adulterous if she stands too close to another man.

Yes yes, under extremist Shariah Law. Not Islam.

The religious clerics in the Middle East and Asia have fabricated these laws to suit their own style of control and government. Nothing more. This "law" has nothing to do with Islam.

And most Muslims in the world do not follow what these clerics say.

Regardless of the international media say.

Peace.

reply to post by DJones



I really think you should stop even only 5 minutes and watch at least the first video in that link I gave....

In that video women, and families are interviewed about Honor Killings perpetrated in their villages under Shariah Law.


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in my opinion this post is sensationalist, at best.

it makes muslims out as demainding and recieving rights above and beyond that of the average american, and i do not see the case to make the statement.

not picking up ppl suspected of having alcohol? who cares, they make a personal choice that will lead to them making less money, loosing a fair to another cabby, i do not see the problem...

a factory granting ramadan as a holiday, how kind this employer is to its employees, i salute them for their understanding and un-scrooge like behavior.

yes, immigrants should assimilate, but do we want everyone to be the same here? what are we robots?

what a sad country this would be w/o diversity. too bad it scares so many of you so much.

Originally posted by Animal
not picking up ppl suspected of having alcohol? who cares, they make a personal choice that will lead to them making less money, loosing a fair to another cabby, i do not see the problem...

What about muslim taxi drivers refusing to pick up blind people with seeing eye dogs ?

Do you have a problem with that ?