G20 protesters face police with Tasers

The current taser's of my city have 25k volts per tick which lasts 5 seconds I believe...

We are getting new shotgun like guns that shoot "bullets" filled with electrical "shrapnel" that will do 50k volts per tick for 30 seconds.

Not sure on how true this is, heard it from a friend (linked to cops).

Guess the current ones that kill people are not strong enough...but it is not the matter of the power of it, it is the matter of police abuse.

As I have said before...are they (our leaders) not happy enough with the power and money they already have? You are supposed to lead with our consent, and most of the time I can not see it being that hard...

Power corrupts...that is all their is to it. Speaking generally, power is the root of all evil but it is a necessity also.

What would be amazing would be if he protesters were packing tasers and rubber bullets too....you know equal the playing field. Of course the police might just carry real guns then, or claim they had what appeared to be real guns and thus were forced to use guns to defend themselves from a percieved threat.

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


You know, and I am sad to say, your people who tell you what volts are, and your thinking will only bring about people trying to test the waters.

An innocent revolt, via peaceful protest, is what it is. Why wouild peaceful protesters care what the voltage is on a taser?

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Easier said than done, because there is often more than not, a jerk waiting to spoil it for everyone!

The thing I worry about is an Agent Provocateur, or several of them, being in the crowd to incite aggression. We've seen it several times before. This would be an explosive event to do something like this at because there are so many people.

I hope everyone is on the lookout for these people and won't let it happen. Nothing positive will come out of a violent protest (unless it overwhelms security and actually gets to the source of this mess in the first place - the politicians - then it could have substantial impact).

Oh no, you're not trying again are you? After that last epic fail?

Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
I'm sorry? But I don't have much respect for Amnesty International for reasons I'm not going to give so that doesn't work as a source for me.

Heads up. This is a discussion board. If you come here, behave like an adult and get treated like one. You have to give your reasons for not treating Amnesty as a valid source. It's a vailid source for me, and I'm sure for many of the people here. Unless you can give a valid reason why not, that'snother epic fail for you,, wannabe.

And those two incidents you posted don't tell the facts.

And you know this how? Because you were there?

Thought not.

Those two people that were supposedly tasered to death could have died from heart failure or some sort of neurological disease instead of directly from the tasers

So they might have been walking along and just keeled over. The fact that they'd been subject to a massive electrical shock is just a coinicidence? You sound like pathetic Toronto poilice chief Bill Blair after a guy died from being tasered in Vancouver:

Mr Blair acknowledges that many of the people they encounter may be suffering from pre-existing medical conditions, mental illness or drug use.

But he says that many of those people are at risk of serious illness, regardless of whether the Taser is deployed or not.

And he points out there are no known deaths from Taser incidents in Toronto.

Whew! That's ok then! Oh, no, wait...

The same claim cannot be made across the country.

Although it is hard to establish any direct link to Tasers, since 2003 at least 18 people have died in Canada after police officers shocked them with the weapon.

In the aftermath of the Vancouver Airport incident, the Canadian branch of Amnesty International is calling for the immediate suspension of the use of the weapons, until a full independent review on their safety is completed.

"We're not confident that there's enough information for police officers to safely use this weapon," says Amnesty Canada's John Tackaberry.

Just a coincidence, 18 people dying after an encounter with a "non-lethal" weapon. BBC ok as a source for you? It's not really working for me, I have to say. The BBC's got really pusillanimous lately. Time was they'd have been rather more direct in attaching suspicion to deaths resulting from taser use.

...some other incident could have effected them that was separate from the arrest. Those articles don't state all of the facts and are obviously biased. It's going to take far more than 10,000 volts to kill someone. It's amperage that kills a person, not voltage.

Please. Keep saying that. We might believe it... no, let's face it, not going to happen.

People are dying from being tasered. Your denials fly in the face of easily available evidence. Amnesty, who want to properly test the toys you'd have us believe are completely safe (is that your problem with them perhaps) are not the only source. Not by a long chalk.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
Why wouild peaceful protesters care what the voltage is on a taser?

Perhaps because the people at large don't have faith in the police. You can be sitting there sitting on your hands, a threat to no one, and that won't stop a police officer from hitting you with a club or taser. What makes it even better is that this is happening in London where it's now illegal to film what the police are doing as evidence that you didn't do anything violent.

April 2nd is going to be an interesting day, and not in a good way. Good people are going to get hurt, and I'm never in favor of that.

reply to post by kdial1

From what I have seen the majority are going to be doing peaceful demonstrations.

Peaceful only until the staged cops go in dressed and acting like protestors. The special ops will have one of the fake protestors (cops) attack the other cops and start a mess.

You watch - they did it in Denver, they will do it here.

Originally posted by arizonascott

Peaceful only until the staged cops go in dressed and acting like protestors. The special ops will have one of the fake protestors (cops) attack the other cops and start a mess.

You watch - they did it in Denver, they will do it here.

Was that Denver that I was thinking of? The video I saw had the guys right up front in the face of the officers trying to get others to join in, and nobody did, Then the officer admitted to it, exactly what he was thinking, acting, and what the other officers acts were. Not the article I linked earlier, but that one was similar.

Originally posted by kdial1

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by Verd_Vhett
The cops will start it, they will taiser some one then the riot will start, then comes the coverup!

You are wrong. There will be people with cameras, abundant. This is not the 60's. It will be documented, who starts what.

There may be people there with cameras, remember it is illegal to take pictures of police in London now. They might be detained for filming.

-Kdial1

Ah, yes, I am sorry. I stand corrected. My daughter visited London not too long ago, and she was surprised when she was forbidden from taking pics on the tube, with a friend she travelled with who had relatives in London.

Originally posted by kdial1
Wow, with all of the deaths recently with Tasers this is going to be very very interesting seeing how many people are injured fataly.

Please check your facts. To date no one has died from a Taser. Taser International - manufacturer of the X26 Taser which is used world wide has yet to be found the cause of any individuals death who had been exposed to the taser.

Source

I've always found it interesting that over 50,000 law enforcement employees have been exposed to the taser and no of them died. But the felons are always looking for an angle to sue.

reply to post by En4cer


Unfortunately, people have died. The police choose to taser people who might have , hummmm, say pre existing medical conditions.l

So, do you have a gramma on, say a heart pacemaker who chooses, to protest?? Let me ask ya, how would you feel about her getting tasered for being involved in a pe=rotest for something she believes in?

Your argument, in essence, means nothing to people who believe, and will protest,.


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reply to post by En4cer


LMAO!!! No, really... I'm laughing REALLY HARD!

You are going to use a COMPANY THAT MAKES TASERS as a reliable source to prove that there have been no deaths resulting from being tasered?!? Did you even think for a minute that a COMPANY THAT MANUFACTURES AND/OR DISTRIBUTES TASERS is going to admit that their product has resulted in death?!?

SERIOUSLY?!?

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something will happen... Provocateurs will be present... probably scottland yard themselves if not their special forces that got caught doing bad in Afgstn.. the ones they broke out from prison.

Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
Do we really need to go over this again?
The numbers of lives saved each year by the use of Tasers far outweighs the people SUPPOSEDLY killed by them. Give me an incident where someone was TRULY killed by a taser.
Oh wait, would you prefer a storm of rubber bullets, beating people with batons, tear gas and anything else they use? But NO, the idea of being incapacitated by a few thousand volts for 5 seconds is simply irresponsible and downright dangerous!
At least they aren't using the civilian models that zap you for a full 30 seconds.
rant ended, Deny Ignorance

So Tasers are good because the government would use lethal weapons against it's own citizens if they weren't available? Haha, I'd have to agree with you.

Is it not ironic that the people who get Tased are actually the ones who pay for the 50,000 Tasers?

And plus the cops actually get paid to do the tasing...

What a world huh?

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According to Amnesty Itnl there have been at least 351 deaths from tasers in the US alone since 2001. How many have they covered up because of the new law in some parts that do not allow the taser to be blamed for a death. I'd say this number is probably about less that one percent of the real numbers...source

Also, most of the police that would be tased for their ability to say they went through it would be shocked by a tested weapon. It would probably provide well less than the standard 50,000volts that is used for normal tasers and have more safety precautions to prevent accidental death of their own. Canadian scientists found that tasers were actually firing more voltage than is suggested and that the increased voltage could be dangerous. Here


I'm sure if you do a search you will find that almost every country has had a high percentage of deaths that can be linked to a taser. The very fact that a human is tased and then dies is saying that it was caused by the taser.

If I take a knife and then stab a person and they die, can I say that I had nothing to do with the death because that person may have had some other affliction that could have been the cause. My knife didn't cause the death, it was the fact that the guy bled to death.

Rgds



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What worries me about the G20 protesters is that they might not be there to defend capitalism and fight off the NWO/individual governments from manipulating currency and the economy, but may be there to spread communism, socialism, anarchy, etc.

In particular i saw a BBC video of people marching against capitalism in the name of "fairness" (A word that I now detest. Often times when somethings done in 'fairness' its only fair to the people that don't have to pay for it, and instead get something for free in return. 'fairness' is not 'equality.' fairness is giving everyone the chance to succeed by their own intellect, without the government holding them back.)

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
reply to post by FritosBBQTwist

 

You know, and I am sad to say, your people who tell you what volts are, and your thinking will only bring about people trying to test the waters.

An innocent revolt, via peaceful protest, is what it is. Why wouild peaceful protesters care what the voltage is on a taser?

I was only trying to give some information on new technology, no other intentions really.

Peaceful protesters shouldn't even be thinking of that.

It is just kind of ironic that with the deaths from tasers at the moment, that they would be making them stronger. Pretty much what the OP said.

Why wouldn't they build bigger and better tasers?
They are very effective, even if they ARE killing people.

That shockwave taser system is crazy. Note that it has been designed for the military as an area denial system.

I'm not saying it is right, I'm just saying that OF COURSE they are going to make the taser bigger and badder.
It is pretty damned effective.

I don't think it matters much though.

If you have 100,000 people maching against you no amount of tasers is going to stop the people if you piss them off bad enough.

Like others have mentioned, the Police will be tiptoeing during these protests.

Originally posted by Blanca Rose

Originally posted by andy1033
Just shows the police the police are just a bunch of loons,a nd like people said above, they are daring the public to do something. Sickos. The scum that join the police are real stupid ignorant fools, aren't they.

It is just another example of the police state in uk, especially london.

Well, I hope people that intend to protest will be doing so in a peaceful way. However, as with any large bunch of people, a few bad apples can spoil the bunch.

Hey, look, I believe in peaceful protest, and have been involved in many over the years. One way not to be heard is to become unruly. The message of the protest does not get across when people resort to violence.

The police have a right to defend themselves, so they are equiped to do so. Don't give them a reason to shoot you with a taser and they won't.

All this situation calls for is common sense on both sides.

May calm heads prevail!

Police have a right to defend themselves... why don't the people? If the citizenry can't show up with tazers, armored vehicles and rubber bullets why should the police? - The onus should be on the Government to abide by the will of the people. Every elected official is in office at the discretion of the masses. If the Government was truly by the people and for the people we would not be in this situation. Yet, corporate interest and greed have corrupted our systems of government. Here we are, the world is watching and waiting - we all feel this tension - we all want to live our peaceful lives and not have the burden of failed government policy on our shoulders that could potentially ruin everything we work for to provide for our families!
To sit idly while deceitful politicians dictate our futures is not the correct course of action. Whose to say a protest is going to bear any fruit, I doubt it. I see those with frustrations and fear of loosing more playing into the hands of the powers that be. Don't give them a reason to enact more laws limiting our freedoms. They want a riot - what if no one shows up.



[edit on 30-3-2009 by Mr.Hyde]

wow, im in london right now on holiday. ill get some video if anything bad goes down. im in victoriia by the station few blocks away from new scotland yard. saw some protesters camped in front of the parliament house yesterday.
nothing too big should be going down though.